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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

I don't know how you can begin to consider the season tacked on just to fulfill some arbitrary number when the season isn't over yet.
Without this season the Observer angle would have been left dangling in the wind. Even if it doesn't fill in all the plot holes left open we are still getting a lot more closure (and entertainment) than if the show had ended last year and as I mentioned before it continues the trend of the show reinventing itself every year.
If Fringe had continued directly from the finale of last year and kept telling the same stories in that universe then that would have been more lazy and evidence of being done just to fill numbers in my opinion. The show clearly has not done that. New season, new world, new stories.

The S5 finale does get FRINGE to that magic 100 episode number that is often considered necessary for proper syndication. Of course, other shows have done well in syndication with fewer (looking @ you, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT)
That said, I think by my previous posts here that one can conclude that I'm digging the Fringe team in 2036.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 12/12/12 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Well I think the very format/storyline that the show has taken this season kinda undercuts your argument about this being a tacked on run, but as I said before...I'll wait to see how it shakes out. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Of course, S5 really started during S4 & "Letters of Transit". According to the show runners, that episode was a "preview' of sorts not for fans - but for FOX & WB execs. Give us a 5th season & we'll freak you all out.

I still think that if anything was tacked on, it was the final moment of the S4 finale. Had the plan for a S5 been canned by the powers that be, would they have really left in/added the brief moment btwn Walter & September? ("They are coming..."). Seeing as the title of the S4 finale was changed a couple weeks before it aired - to reflect the green light for a truncated 5th season - would the FRINGE gang have left that last out of nowhere bit dangling had the axe fallen? I have long assumed that if S4 was to be the end of FRINGE, they might have cut that moment from the show, leaving us with a less than satisfying but still entertaining "happy ending" for Olivia & Peter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/fringe-season-5-finale-title_n_2236269.html

NOTE - if you consider episode titles as spoiler material, avoid the above link. But to counter the "tacked on" issue, JH Wyman said this earlier this month:

“It’s definitely the biggest season finale we’ve ever had,” Wyman told TV Line. “It’s the most expensive ... It’s massive, really big ... I wanted to make sure I handled [the action element] and the emotions with equal import."

I had read elsewhere that despite a smaller budget, in some ways S5 was costlier to produce than previous seasons. While they scaled back on the regular cast, they sure seem to have spent a few bucks on the FX. If nothing else, Wyman & Co look to be good money handlers.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 12/12/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

The S5 finale does get FRINGE to that magic 100 episode number that is often considered necessary for proper syndication. Of course, other shows have done well in syndication with fewer (looking @ you, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT)
That said, I think by my previous posts here that one can conclude that I'm digging the Fringe team in 2036.

The 100 number hasn't been a guarantee factor for a long time. More or less, a show doesn't live or die solely on the number.

How many times has Firefly been on cable? And how many channels?
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Well I think the very format/storyline that the show has taken this season kinda undercuts your argument about this being a tacked on run, but as I said before...I'll wait to see how it shakes out. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

The Observer angle was the only major plot point introduced since the show began that had not been fully explored. I can't think of any other subject that would have made for a better arc this season.
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

How many times has Firefly been on cable? And how many channels?
Networks running the 14 episodes of Firefly is rare, and on a special event/marathon basis. They don't run them over and over on cable and local channels like Star Trek (which does get syndication play with only 80 episodes, but it's become hugely popular in syndication).
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The 100 number hasn't been a guarantee factor for a long time. More or less, a show doesn't live or die solely on the number.
How many times has Firefly been on cable? And how many channels?


When talking about this magic number of 100, which I had no clue about ( wow you tend to learn things on forums) the show that popped in my head, to the exemption to that that rule was Firefly, I didn't watched it when it was on the air, but my tivo must have multiple of the same epi every other month stored. Now to sit down and watch in chronological order rolleyes.gif


Djoel
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The 100 number hasn't been a guarantee factor for a long time. More or less, a show doesn't live or die solely on the number.
How many times has Firefly been on cable? And how many channels?

Very true - which is why I mentioned ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT in the post you quoted. G4 & IFC (the latter also likes to promote AD via social networks) have run repeats for years - not to mention its success via DVD & Netflix, which led to the show getting revived specifically for the streaming red giant.

If you look @ the industry overall - be it TV, movies, music - there is still a certain amount of old school thinking going on there, although the 21st century seems to finally kinda be sinking in. And more often than not, especially in te record biz, such thinking has led to the "old" way getting blown to bits. Look @ what internet file sharing and later (and "legally") Steve Jobs & his overflowing checkbook did to the record industry.

A magic number of episodes no longer is needed for any sort of streaming/syndication in the 21st century just as a physical CD is not even needed to release music. TV shows on DVD, as well as various streaming/On Demand options have taken care of that.

But is it entirely just a coincidence that FRINGE's series finale also worked out to be its 100th episode? I think some of that old school thinking was going on over @ WB TV during the negotiations w/ FOX to pick FRINGE up for 13 more episodes last spring.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 12/13/12 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The 100 number hasn't been a guarantee factor for a long time. More or less, a show doesn't live or die solely on the number.
How many times has Firefly been on cable? And how many channels?


When talking about this magic number of 100, which I had no clue about ( wow you tend to learn things on forums) the show that popped in my head, to the exemption to that that rule was Firefly, I didn't watched it when it was on the air, but my tivo must have multiple of the same epi every other month stored. Now to sit down and watch in chronological order rolleyes.gif


Djoel

This is off-topic for this thread, of course, but... I trust by "in chronological order" you mean "in the order intended by the producers" and not "in the order the episodes were broadcast" which are not the same. (I purchased Firefly on DVD, so that confusion was taken care of.)
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

Very true - which is why I mentioned ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT in the post you quoted. G4 & IFC (the latter also likes to promote AD via social networks) have run repeats for years - not to mention its success via DVD & Netflix, which led to the show getting revived specifically for the streaming red giant.

For shows like Fringe and AD which already have a niche cult audience built-in, the numbers game works far better for syndication than any of the homogenous crime shows pumped out. People will watch it whether it has schedule rotation ability or not. Even though the viewing numbers will be small an audience will be there, which is perfect for the niche cablenets out there.
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

This is off-topic for this thread, of course, but... I trust by "in chronological order" you mean "in the order intended by the producers" and not "in the order the episodes were broadcast" which are not the same. (I purchased Firefly on DVD, so that confusion was taken care of.)

Hm, I have a bunch of epi tossed in my Tivo, and they're not the way they were broadcasted.

I had no idea they're in a specific dated order, for instance flash backs and such done by the producers.

DJoel
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Have to say...the last thing I would ever, ever, ever expect to see in a Fringe episode is a Monty Python cameo! I guess everything is on the table when tripping on acid! smile.gif
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Another benefit of the show not caring about new viewers! biggrin.gif

I really hate Gilliam's animations from Python but I loved the surprise inclusion in Fringe. I thought it amusingly unexpected.

I also enjoyed the twist with the book tonight and the misdirection with the taxi cab.
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I thought I was watching "Once Upon a Time". eek.gif

I had to play the Monty Python sketch over again I was laughing so hard.

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Edited by videobruce - 12/15/12 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Hm, I have a bunch of epi tossed in my Tivo, and they're not the way they were broadcasted.
I had no idea they're in a specific dated order, for instance flash backs and such done by the producers.
DJoel


I think he's referring to how Fox broadcast them originally out of order from the way they were made.Showed the pilot last, if I remember right.
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Good episode, loved the fairy and Walter and the Black blotter. Just wondering if he had taken the purple microdot? As soon as I saw the fingers come down and grab Walter's head I said to myself no way! Thanks for the flashbacks. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

Have to say...the last thing I would ever, ever, ever expect to see in a Fringe episode is a Monty Python cameo! I guess everything is on the table when tripping on acid! smile.gif

Nothing surprises me... To quote Walter:

"Bacon flavored pudding! That would surprise me."

smile.gif

And now... for something completely the same!

Monty Python fits on so many levels... so that worked for me.

I like they continue to call-back to early episodes... I like that they made this Observer kid the same kid from the earlier episode... and that he remembers Olivia. I still have half a mind (similar to Walter, but I digress) that the young Observer will turn out to be a younger September OR perhaps an ancestor of his somehow.
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^^^
I am pretty sure there are a few others along with you and I wondering if the child is or is connected to September.
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Pretty cool episode. Had me going with that cab scene. So that's what happened to the child observer who was tucked away in the pocket universe. "Donald" came and got him 20 years back and left the radio as a key to finding him.
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I think he's referring to how Fox broadcast them originally out of order from the way they were made.Showed the pilot last, if I remember right.
OT, but that's sort of right. Episodes 11, 12 and 13 (Whedon's intended order) weren't aired during the show's original run on Fox, which ended in cancellation, with the airing of "Serenity" Parts 1 and 2, which had been intended to be a 2 hour pilot. The other three episodes were in the can but didn't air until some months later (and maybe not on Fox).
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So that's what happened to the child observer who was tucked away in the pocket universe. "Donald" came and got him 20 years back and left the radio as a key to finding him.
Who was/is Donald? How far back did all of that happen?? confused.gif

And who was the blonde fox, apparently from Walters past??
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Blondie was Walter's former lab assistant who died in a lab fire. She tried to be his conscience to keep him from going too far with the multiverses. It was all explained in the show, go back and watch it again. Her death was the reason why Walter got committed to the mental institution way back in the beginning.

Donald we don't know much about, other than that he was helping Walter somehow in the past and also got the kid.

The Python sketch was great, this ep was on a par with the tripping Dr. Bell animation sketch with Olivia.
Edited by slowbiscuit - 12/15/12 at 9:04am
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I also note that they tied off the Sam Weiss lose end--he died valiantly protecting the relay station.
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In an alt timeline, of course - that was not the Weiss that Olivia knew apparently, I think she mentioned that.
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Blondie was Walter's former lab assistant who died in a lab fire. She tried to be his conscience to keep him from going too far with the multiverses. It was all explained in the show, go back and watch it again. Her death was the reason why Walter got committed to the mental institution way back in the beginning.
I got the part about the fire and something about being an assistant, but that was all.
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Donald we don't know much about, other than that he was helping Walter somehow in the past and also got the kid.
Then I didn't miss anything here. redface.gif
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

I got the part about the fire and something about being an assistant, but that was all.Then I didn't miss anything here. redface.gif

This is not jsut an assistant but THE assistant that has been mentioned multiple times in the series.....I guess you would have to remember earlier seasons though to know this.........

Donald is dead, most likely, so he was jsut a plot device to move the child, the who isnt as important as what he did......
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

In an alt timeline, of course - that was not the Weiss that Olivia knew apparently, I think she mentioned that.

That is corrrect, but as far as the show is concerned Sam Weiss is dead ;-) since we are only following this timeline now....The child however since he is an observer, as Olivia puts it, "expereinces time differently than we do" which is why he remembers Olivia....

I think this show solidified for me that Waler will sacrifice himself in the end to not only prevent the "old" walter aka Walternate from becoming a reality, but to save everyone else as well.......
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Since there will be no Episode 19 this season, it looks like they moved it to Episode 9. 

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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

This is not jsut an assistant but THE assistant that has been mentioned multiple times in the series.....I guess you would have to remember earlier seasons though to know this.........

We had never seen her before though, right?

Loved the whole Walter acid-trip theme, especially the unexpected Monty Python tribute. Thought there would more to the whole Sam Weiss thing. Kind of a letdown.

How many episodes left now? Too few... frown.gif
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

We had never seen her before though, right?
Loved the whole Walter acid-trip theme, especially the unexpected Monty Python tribute. Thought there would more to the whole Sam Weiss thing. Kind of a letdown.
How many episodes left now? Too few... frown.gif

I dont think so no, but he said who she was in this past episode just in case people didnt remember who she was wink.gif
post #5969 of 6444
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

We had never seen her before though, right?

That flashback with him arguing with her about opening a portal into another universe was taken from another episode, Season 2, Episode 16, "Peter", in a scene that begins at about 21 minutes in. She's in several scenes of the episode.
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Thought there would more to the whole Sam Weiss thing. Kind of a letdown.
How many episodes left now? Too few... frown.gif

I expect if this had been a regular full season we would have seen more of him, but given how many episodes there are, killing characters off screen is the only way to fit them in without letting their fates go unresolved.

Did they ever tie up The First People arc or can we expect Peter, Liv and alt-Etta to go back in time?
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