"Fringe" on Fox HD - Page 200

Originally Posted by archiguy 

Thought there would more to the whole Sam Weiss thing. Kind of a letdown.
How many episodes left now? Too few...

Originally Posted by VisionOn 

I expect if this had been a regular full season we would have seen more of him, but given how many episodes there are, killing characters off screen is the only way to fit them in without letting their fates go unresolved.
Did they ever tie up The First People arc or can we expect Peter, Liv and alt-Etta to go back in time?

Originally Posted by John dhein 

Does the child remembering Olivia imply that their are NOT multiple iterations of the observers across the "multiverses?" If so, this might be a key point in defeating them, and be the first indication of why the child is so important.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

The 1st people were Peter, Olivia, and Astrid....This was handled off screen in the Fringe Comics (IMO) with the canon story that Peter Jackson wrote himself......Without the machine though there is no need to go back and thus no "1st people" thatt was the Red\Blueverse timeline.......In this timeline the breach has been closed and there is no contact with the other universe.

Originally Posted by VisionOn 

I'm still waiting for someone to explain what was happening in Alcatraz. The producers of John Doe answered the big questions in an interview when that show was cancelled. Even if it was a slightly crap resolution.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

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I think this show solidified for me that Waler will sacrifice himself in the end to not only prevent the "old" walter aka Walternate from becoming a reality, but to save everyone else as well.......

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 


So why is the "old" Walter the Walternate? The ending was a WTF moment for me, but yoiu mention it so casually like you already knew...what did I miss?

Originally Posted by rdclark 

John Noble. What an actor! He squints a little bit, sets his mouth in that I-know-more-about-everything-than-you'll-ever-know-about-anything half-smile, and standing there in the exact same clothing he's a completely different person, instantly recognizable.
Best actor on TV. His lack of recognition proves only the cluelessness of the award-nomination process.

Originally Posted by VisionOn 

I concur! I was wondering while watching the last episode if, because Fringe will finish in the new year, he would be eligible for the globes or emmy's next time around.

Originally Posted by rdclark 

He squints a little bit, sets his mouth (...) and standing there in the exact same clothing he's a completely different person, instantly recognizable.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

Not only in this timeline but the previous timeline Walter had pieces of his brain removed because he did not like the man he was becomming. Which is why they had the assistant say that you have been "him" longer than you have been you.. Walternate is what Walter would could\would have become if he never removed the pieces of his brain (since Walternate never had this proceedure done)....This past show just reiterated through the flashbacks that Walernate thought he was "God" and there was nothing he wouldnt do to get the results he wanted......This is why Walter has been so gung ho about getting those pieces of his brain removed again....

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 

I get that that the old Walter was on the path to pure evil before his brain was altered.But was the alternate Walter really evil at that time? I thought his moral decay was more of a result of the trauma of losing his son-up to that point he was more "good" than our Walter. In other words, he was changed by external events, while "our" Walter was on the path to evil due to his own internal chemestry.

Originally Posted by jwebb1970 

Here's my take....
Both Walters certainly had a God complex going on. "Our" Walter also had the influence of his megalomaniacal partner William Bell to help steer him towards perceived evil. Walternate had no Bell counterpart in his life (although the Bell from our universe did work w/ Sec Bishop - as well as steal alt-verse tech & give it to Massive Dynamic over here).
Walternate's brain was intact. His motives/methods were initially presented as evil, and vengeance for the loss of Peter was a driving force. But Walternate's other motive was to protect his universe from what he saw as an evil force from the other side. We eventually see Sec. Bishop sort of forgive Walter for causing the whole inter-dimensional mess and understanding why Walter did what he did when we said goodbye to both the Redverse gang & our Lincoln Lee last season.
Walternate had the potential to also be evil - and some of his methods for protecting his own universe were occasionally nasty. Plus, his intellect had remained intact. But I think our Walter's path to evil had as much if not more to do with Belly (and the obsession over saving Peter) than his own neurochemistry.

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 

I also note that they tied off the Sam Weiss lose end--he died valiantly protecting the relay station.

Originally Posted by hhaller 

It was a rather lame way of "ending" the Sam Weiss loose end, if that is indeed the last we hear about him.

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 

IMO, he was kind of a lame character . Last of a long line of keepers of arcane knowledge; I'm surprised that he actually died doing something noble. He hardly seemed like a man of action.

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 

IMO, he was kind of a lame character . Last of a long line of keepers of arcane knowledge; I'm surprised that he actually died doing something noble. He hardly seemed like a man of action.

Originally Posted by John dhein 

Maybe I need to re-watch some episodes, but, exactly which Walter are we with now?
This is neither the blue or red universe, right?
So, Peter never existed in this universe, right?
So, why did this Walter go crazy, if not for neurochemical reasons?
Bottom line: What episode do I need to re-watch? Because I thought I was on top of this series until recently.

Originally Posted by VisionOn 

Damn, now I can't remember which Walter we are with.
This is the revised Blue version in which Walter still becomes egomaniacal (after Peter dies in the lake) and has his brain removed to prevent himself from becoming evil and destroying the world, but this time Nina removes the brain segments instead of Bell. Then Nina replaces his brain with the parts stored at MD (instead of being stored in other people in the original timeline) in order to fight The Observers.
Yes? I feel like I'm mixing up alternate episode stories.

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 

Reading the last few posts I can't help wondering-has there ever been a tv show that assumes, heck requires, that its audience actually think about what they're watching?

Originally Posted by lonwolf615 

Reading the last few posts I can't help wondering-has there ever been a tv show that assumes, heck requires, that its audience actually think about what they're watching?

Originally Posted by Joseph Clark 

Sure. Buffy made me think and feel profoundly, all the while maintaining a remarkably consistent and stable universe. In that sense, it was the anti-Fringe, which has adopted "universal instability" as standard operating procedure. Fringe's instability is, ironically, what makes it most intriguing and, when I can't fully wrap my head around what's going on or reconcile its inconsistencies, most unsatisfying. It's also why I'll go back and revisit it in the coming years, just as I have Buffy. With Buffy, I like to re-examine the wit, humor, clever dialogue, and story threads. With Fringe, I find clues to where they planned to take the show that I overlooked completely the first time around. Or, alternately, I wonder why they abandoned promising characters or story lines, such as Sam Weiss. In the end, I think Fringe will hold a position as one of my favorite shows, but I don't see it being in the same league as Buffy.

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 

It's the blue universe with a revised timeline. Peter existed and died as a child in both of them. In the original timeline, blue Peter died of an incurable disease and Walter crosses to save red Peter, whom Walternate would have saved except that he was distracted from his experiment to find a cure by September. On return to the blueverse Walter and Peter fall through the ice on Raiden Lake and are saved by September. In the revised timeline, everything is the same except that September didn't show up and red Peter drowns, never to receive the cure (the Observers apparently allow September to distract Walternate in the revision; they don't mind the war between universes, just the union of red Peter and blue Olivia). Peter "bleeds through" to enter the revised timeline anyway, though September was told to do something to prevent that which he decides not to do; for whatever reason Olivia gains the memory of her life in the original timeline and gets back together with Peter, resulting in the conception of Henrietta, who grows up to be a thorn in the invading Observers' side.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

Technically this is the Amber Universe ;-) revised timeline would mean new universe in the fringe world. For every decision we make there is an alternate universe where we made the other choice.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

Technically this is the Amber Universe ;-) revised timeline would mean new universe in the fringe world. For every decision we make there is an alternate universe where we made the other choice.

Originally Posted by Ph8te 

Technically this is the Amber Universe ;-) ...

Originally Posted by VisionOn 

Except in this case it's an artificially manipulated universe. The Observers rewrote events by removing Peter. September didn't choose not to rescue him.
You could even argue that prior to September partially activating the device, all events not involving Peter before that moment may never have actually occurred. That would allow Peter to bleed back in to the same reality. It's the same universe with only a few alterations to memories and events that were influenced by him during the previous thirty years. Which would also explain why Olivia remembers too. It's not a real alternate timeline just a badly patched Blueverse..

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 

That interpretation of multiverse theory would result in a virtually infinite number of universes being created every minute, one for every possible combination of decisions made by everyone in the world. And what about decisions made by animals? Insects? Single celled organisms? Possibly lifeforms on other worlds in the universe?