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Not necessarily. We know The Observers can see and calculate the outcome of events quite easily, so depending on how much Adjustment Bureau/Dark City plot magic they have, all they would have to do is manipulate parts of the present (at the time of Peter's removal) to match the outcomes they calculated. That way they don't have to change the entire universe or go back in time to fix things. They just distort the present reality with events and memories that never happened except in their calculations. Kind of like taking one jigsaw piece from two identical puzzles with different pictures and swapping them out. They might even just patch the holes with sections of other universes.

So this would be mostly the same universe but with a badly altered timeline. Peter remembers because he wasn't changed, just removed before the manipulation, and Olivia can remember because her brain isn't the same as everyone else.

If what someone theorized before is correct and Observers exist only in one universe, then this has to be the same place they were always in.

Alternatively the creators of the show are not writing according to quantum theory and just have their own rule in which multiple timelines can exist in singular universes and they are not connected. At this stage, I don't really care that much. Doctor Who gets away with far, far worse.

This universe while manipulated, was the line created once Peter "removed" himself....


That is correct, Walter never got down as detailed as that, but explained it in Season 1 of the show,,,There are an infinite amount of universes.........Its a matter of finding the right frrequency to access the other universes (thus the "pocket" universe where we saw things are very different from what we know in any of the universes.....



Techincally yes I guess you are right ;-) Grey for the Future altered universe after the Observers invaded and altered history.....This Grey is a branch of Amber, which is the timeline they needed to invade...

This was the thing that was argued when the Amber universe 1st made its appearance, that when Peter removed himself fromt eh timeline, it went back and people had a tough time seperating all the events we have seen with Peter not realizing that this "fork" off of the original timeline would in effect create a new universe aka timeline where all of the previous events happen, but since Peter was not there, the outcomes were sometimes different.....

From what I understand that has been let on to us, there are only one "group" of observers...They operate outside the normal timelines and universes so they dont experience time the same way we do....They are able to see multiple futures at once, so that when they do make a change, they know which to make to get from point A to point B with the least amount of disruption.....In the beginning September was just observing and making sure that things went the way they should have, when he let Peter live it led to the Red\Blu universes that we saw in Seasons 1-3....The correct timeline which the Observers "wanted" was season 3 Amber where Peter did not survive, we still dont know the reason "why" it is only said (per September) that he is "special\important"......

Its a miind trip of a show thats for sure sometimes keeping all of the universes, timelines and changes can be tough...

I thought that the Observers used Peter's activation of the machine as a chance to change things up and remove him. With both Peter's dead, I wonder what the story of the machine is? Were there not documents showing him activating it and Olivia disabling it's protections to let him in? If not, how did they activate it/them?

You're all obsessing over details that they probably won't bother to explain. Save your brains.

NO!

I kind of follow that all, but I think one of two different questions apply.

1) If Peter existed, who saved Walter? He certainly would not have allowed Peter to drown without himself drowning.

2) If Peter never existed, why is Walter crazy?

Nina removed his brain because Walter didn't want to destroy the world when Peter drowned. See the earlier post about that.

This revision means that Peter never survived the lake.

I don't recall seeing any indication they can cross into separate universes on their own. So far Walter and Bell have been the only people to have developed that tech and all crossings have been done with their help. The Observers never ventured into the Redverse at all. If they could cross on their own they could just as easily manipulate less troublesome alternate realities.

You seem to have answered neither question. If Peter never survived, why did Walter?

If Peter never existed, why is Walter crazy?

He's not crazy, he's always high

They can see the holes in the universes and have the tech to travel to other unierses (thus how they found thier way into the pocket universe)...The only universe they needed (for the shows\story telling sake) was the Blue universe. The blue universe had the events that would lead perfectly to thier invasion and eventual takeover, anyother timeline (universe) probably didnt successfully lead to thier eventual takeover......

I would also bring up when September showed Walter (memory is fuzzy on this one) the "portal" that is used (it was the room outside of the galaxy I believe)..........That was in Season 4 I think........


WAlter survived falling into the lake, Peter did not....Walter was saved, but in this reality Peter was not rescued by September, thius his "absence" from anytthing earlier in teh timeline.....

Walter was crazy becasue he obsesed not only over trying to get to the other universe to get the alternate Peter, but becasue of hs God complex that he had in his lab.....The death of Peter amogst other things are what lead to him eventually going crazy....The results are the same as the 1st timeline, just casued by different circumstances......

Peter removed himself, the Observers just wanted to make sure that all traces of him were removed (thus giving the mission to September to "earse" the traces which September, did not due, which lead to Peter coming back)......The details of the machine are not important in this timeline as it was only used to bridge then close the bridge between the two universes......They didnt go back far enough for us to get the details on that and its one thing that we will ost likely never know.....(I think they touched upon it briefly, but those brief moments evade me)....

They can see holes but have never shown any ability or tech to make them. The pocket universe wasn't a true offshoot of reality but an accidental creation between other legitimate universes. The Observers had no idea it was there until they stumbled upon the hole and they entered it the same way everyone else did. They just walked through it.

All other doors between universes have been engineered by Walter or Bell (and by design Olivia) and if I recall correctly only the Blueverse versions of the characters.

I can't help wondering if the different timelines/universes have any effect on the taste of strawberry milkshakes.

Too late - my brain is already Fringe-fried.

Hey, maybe that term should be added to Wikipedia, to describe Fringe viewers whose brains have been sliced into small pieces and fried, trying to figure out what the hell is going on in the Fringe universes.

To demonstrate that my brain might be fried, I'll share a little secret. I personally knew someone who could step outside normal space-time. As a matter of fact, he looked a bit like September. He could bi-locate and was precognitive and clairvoyant, not to mention brilliant and empathic. During his lifetime, he saved many lives, including my own and others we both knew. He prevented me from taking the wrong path on numerous occasions, because he could see how dangerous many of the ones I nearly trod actually were.

If you believe that, you're quite gullible, because it's much more likely that I'm either delusional or lying. OTOH, because you're here in the Fringe thread, your imagination probably allows for the possibility that I might be telling the truth. That's the basic reason I like Fringe so much. In its sometimes scattershot way, it triggers my imagination and invites me to accept that possibilities are infinite.

By the way, in at least one universe I'm telling the absolute truth about my dear friend.

Joseph,

You're koo koo.

At least one universe has to have a strawberry that's actually the name for bananas.

Or all strawberries have been wiped from existence by a plague.

Or Pinkverse Walter has discovered a way to make strawberries 100000 times more strawberry flavored making the milkshake the world's deadliest drink which can only be bought on the black market.

Or ...



it's a slow week.

It also teaches the proper way to drink a root beer float. Name another show that provides practical information like that...

He must be working with Mr Wonka in the Chocolate Factory ;-)

Sorry to insert some fluff, but...

Anna Torv was on Conan on Tuesday night (12/18.) She said that they had just finished the final episode last week. Love her Australian accent, and she was looking good in a little black dress. Says she is single and has been having trouble meeting guys. So, if she is your type and in your age-range....

Words? We don't need more words, we need more pictures!

Agree that science bends to story. Just some of those physical changes that would have to be effected are significant, I would think the simpler writer's card would just be altered timelines (does that mean we jump back to an earlier fork? - Is that what Peter did when he used the machine? undo undo undo choose different...).

But September was definitely in the Redverse, in order to distract Walternate...

v/r,
C-F

Thanks to our boy VisionOn for that clip. I don't watch Conan, in spite of the fact that I find his humor quite humorous, because he's just on too damn late. Let me just say it for the record: Anna Torv is the world's hottest woman. The Aussie accent we never get to hear her use is just icing on the cake. Please don't disagree with me and make me call you deranged. It's the Christmas season for petesake and I want to relish my brief annual moment of loving my fellow man.

And speaking of shakes and floats, the chances of my winning the "We haven't seen the last of Etta!" milkshake bet seem to be dwindling. But I haven't given up. I still say we'll see her again.

Archiguy,

Since my infatuation with female TV beauties is based primarily on what I happen to be watching at any given moment, and I just watched the Conan interview, I'll agree that Anna Torv is the hottest woman on earth! Merry Christmas!

I don't see poor Etta coming back unless they somehow form another new timeline. (Which sounds ridiculous at this point, but it is Fringe)

Apparently the most important child in the history of the world wasn't that important after all.

I wonder if Aussie actors/actresses ever get tired of fielding the same generic questions about their homeland on every single American late night talk show. Because it happens over and over and over again. ("Your accent! Fosters! Land of kangaroos!" etc. etc. etc.)

Im going with a less than 5% chance unless its via flasback, which I dont count......

Thanks to living in a basement and being constantly stressed, Olivia never gets the chance to look as good on Fringe as Torv does in real life, but I really like the way she fills out a pair of jeans on the show. Much better than the boring suits she used to wear.

I've always appreciated the beauty and hotness of Torv. We must never forget her spread in Esquire (I won't ).

She brought her parents, grandfather and Astrid back into play and then died while on a mission, to become poster girl of the resistance, both contributions no doubt being essential to freeing mankind from the invaders. Highly visible martyrs can be extremely important to keeping a revolution alive.
Edited by michaeltscott - 12/20/12 at 12:59pm

I know it's looking less and less like it will happen, but I think it's possible she'll return as part of the Observer defeat. That could be the last episode, so I'm not payin' up til then.

Plus, "Bolivia" was always hotter.