Originally Posted by VisionOn
Except in this case it's an artificially manipulated universe. The Observers rewrote events by removing Peter. September didn't choose not to rescue him.
You could even argue that prior to September partially activating the device, all events not involving Peter before that moment may never have actually occurred. That would allow Peter to bleed back in to the same reality. It's the same universe with only a few alterations to memories and events that were influenced by him during the previous thirty years. Which would also explain why Olivia remembers too. It's not a real alternate timeline just a badly patched Blueverse..
This universe while manipulated, was the line created once Peter "removed" himself....
Originally Posted by michaeltscott
That interpretation of multiverse theory would result in a virtually infinite number of universes being created every minute, one for every possible combination of decisions made by everyone in the world. And what about decisions made by animals? Insects? Single celled organisms? Possibly lifeforms on other worlds in the universe?
That is correct, Walter never got down as detailed as that, but explained it in Season 1 of the show,,,There are an infinite amount of universes.........Its a matter of finding the right frrequency to access the other universes (thus the "pocket" universe where we saw things are very different from what we know in any of the universes.....
Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER
Isn't this the Grey Universe?
I was following all but this. I thought Peter took himself out through the machine. And it's early, but I do not understand anything after that. Events before Peter never happening makes it seem like the Universe instantiates mid-action (not forking off from a trunk reaching back to the beginning).
And I could get that they could snatch him up, but that would physically change the timeline. But to be an altered memory on the scale of Olivia's, Peter would have to physically be there, but someone was following him around with a MiB flashy-thing... But the alternative memories are sometimes completely different physical realities (Olivia's Cortexiphan, life with Nina, etc.).
Yes. This means there is a very good possibility that there are a googolplex of universes where I am dating several actresses...
Techincally yes I guess you are right ;-) Grey for the Future altered universe after the Observers invaded and altered history.....This Grey is a branch of Amber, which is the timeline they needed to invade...
This was the thing that was argued when the Amber universe 1st made its appearance, that when Peter removed himself fromt eh timeline, it went back and people had a tough time seperating all the events we have seen with Peter not realizing that this "fork" off of the original timeline would in effect create a new universe aka timeline where all of the previous events happen, but since Peter was not there, the outcomes were sometimes different.....
Originally Posted by VisionOn
Not necessarily. We know The Observers can see and calculate the outcome of events quite easily, so depending on how much Adjustment Bureau/Dark City plot magic they have, all they would have to do is manipulate parts of the present (at the time of Peter's removal) to match the outcomes they calculated. That way they don't have to change the entire universe or go back in time to fix things. They just distort the present reality with events and memories that never happened except in their calculations. Kind of like taking one jigsaw piece from two identical puzzles with different pictures and swapping them out. They might even just patch the holes with sections of other universes.
So this would be mostly the same universe but with a badly altered timeline. Peter remembers because he wasn't changed, just removed before the manipulation, and Olivia can remember because her brain isn't the same as everyone else.
If what someone theorized before is correct and Observers exist only in one universe, then this has to be the same place they were always in.
Alternatively the creators of the show are not writing according to quantum theory and just have their own rule in which multiple timelines can exist in singular universes and they are not connected. At this stage, I don't really care that much. Doctor Who gets away with far, far worse.
From what I understand that has been let on to us, there are only one "group" of observers...They operate outside the normal timelines and universes so they dont experience time the same way we do....They are able to see multiple futures at once, so that when they do make a change, they know which to make to get from point A to point B with the least amount of disruption.....In the beginning September was just observing and making sure that things went the way they should have, when he let Peter live it led to the Red\Blu universes that we saw in Seasons 1-3....The correct timeline which the Observers "wanted" was season 3 Amber where Peter did not survive, we still dont know the reason "why" it is only said (per September) that he is "special\important"......
Its a miind trip of a show thats for sure sometimes keeping all of the universes, timelines and changes can be tough...