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post #6121 of 6444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm not sure how that would work. Explain please.

They make time slow down for themselves so when they move, it appears that they are moving so fast that others can't see them 'til they put time back to normal. Probably a very localized effect. Or maybe not, just thinking about it made my head explode. eek.gif
post #6122 of 6444
Even though I used the word "teleport"... I thought we got insight in the pocket-universe episode... that the Observers probably are not teleporting at all... but rather are using doorways to pocket universes where time works differently... kind of like what was done in the "Adjustment Bureau" movie.
post #6123 of 6444
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

They make time slow down for themselves so when they move, it appears that they are moving so fast that others can't see them 'til they put time back to normal. Probably a very localized effect. Or maybe not, just thinking about it made my head explode. eek.gif

The theory that they don't teleport and just move really fast has been tendered, and while it's been shown that they do that (Walter's miracle nanny-cam footage), I believe that it's also been shown that they teleport. Hyper-speed doesn't explain Captain Windmark standing in an elevator shaft and then walking out of thin air into an underground lab without riding the elevator.

By teleport I mean going from one place to another without moving through the intervening space, at least in this reality. If they somehow take short cuts through "pocket universes" I don't really see the distinction since the effect is the same. I don't think that they're doing that, since I don't think that convenient pocket universes exist all over the place and/or could be entered from any arbitrary place. They could only get into the pocket universe where Walter tucked Michael away by entering from one specific point in this universe and exiting at the same doorway back.
post #6124 of 6444
It has been shown to my satisfaction that they can teleport. It has also been implied there are limitations on that ability.What those limitations are and why they exist hasn't been specified-I can live with that. As long as the show doesn't contradict itself (and I don't think it has in any major way) I can accept not knowing everything. After all, the mystery about teleportation is only one of many. I'm sure we will learn more if its important to the plot/story.Otherwise we can speculate endlessly during those empty cold friday nights after there is no more Fringe...eek.gif
post #6125 of 6444
I would say Observers driving cars is probably the most minor of many baffling, unexplained writing choices this season.
post #6126 of 6444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Hyper-speed doesn't explain Captain Windmark standing in an elevator shaft and then walking out of thin air into an underground lab without riding the elevator.

If he moves at hyper-speed (your term, not mine), it would appear to an observer that he was instantly moved from the sidewalk level to whatever level they were on.
post #6127 of 6444
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

...snip...

.Otherwise we can speculate endlessly during those empty cold friday nights after there is no more Fringe...eek.gif

How depressing is that !!!!

Any other scifi shows starting up?
post #6128 of 6444
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

It has been shown to my satisfaction that they can teleport. It has also been implied there are limitations on that ability.What those limitations are and why they exist hasn't been specified-I can live with that. As long as the show doesn't contradict itself (and I don't think it has in any major way) I can accept not knowing everything. After all, the mystery about teleportation is only one of many. I'm sure we will learn more if its important to the plot/story.Otherwise we can speculate endlessly during those empty cold friday nights after there is no more Fringe...eek.gif

N...n...n...no m...m...m...more F...F...F...Fringe ?? Where did I put that rope?
post #6129 of 6444
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

If he moves at hyper-speed (your term, not mine), it would appear to an observer that he was instantly moved from the sidewalk level to whatever level they were on.

Moves at hyper-speed through what??? Through the floor of the elevator? Through its closed door? Moving really fast lets you move through solids??? The room is underground and closed with no other apparent way in or out except the elevator. One moment he's standing in the elevator and the next he appears out of thin air in front of its closed door in a room at the other end of the shaft an unknown distance below.
post #6130 of 6444
I thought that the purpose of that "missed the elevator" scene was to resolve the teleport vs hyperspeed issue, otherwise it seems like a waste of screen time and special effects resources with no other dramatic purpose.

v/r,
C-F
post #6131 of 6444
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Originally Posted by CANNON-FODDER View Post

I thought that the purpose of that "missed the elevator" scene was to resolve the teleport vs hyperspeed issue, otherwise it seems like a waste of screen time and special effects resources with no other dramatic purpose.
v/r,
C-F

We're the ones who cooked up the issue of teleportation vs super speed. It probably never bothered the Fringe writers at all. That the Observers can move at superhuman speeds was established a long time ago, but there's no rule that says they can't teleport, too. Or that they can't vibrate through solid matter by moving very fast. Superman had multiple powers (including two of those three). A few months back, I would have bet that the Observers didn't like women, but it seems now that they do. I have a theory that they ride around in those ginormous 70s-era cars because they think the chicks like them. (They're a compensation for tiny peckers.) Another part of that theory explains why we've seen Observers eating a cubic foot of Jalapenos, black pepper and hot sauce on their roast beef sandwiches. The advanced tech dulls their libido, and it's like Viagra for them. They were not only observing, they were getting ready for hot dates.
post #6132 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

We're the ones who cooked up the issue of teleportation vs super speed. It probably never bothered the Fringe writers at all. That the Observers can move at superhuman speeds was established a long time ago, but there's no rule that says they can't teleport, too. Or that they can't vibrate through solid matter by moving very fast. Superman had multiple powers (including two of those three).

My inner nerd begs a correction: I think it's actually The Flash that can vibrate his molecules fast enough to be able to move through solid objects. Don't think Supes ever had that ability, but apologies if he did.
post #6133 of 6444
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

My inner nerd begs a correction: I think it's actually The Flash that can vibrate his molecules fast enough to be able to move through solid objects. Don't think Supes ever had that ability, but apologies if he did.

I thought I might be called on that. IIRC, Superman's ability to vibrate through walls manifested itself only one time. It was in an episode of the 50s Superman TV series with George Reeves. I always suspected that it was used exclusively as a plot device to advance that particular story. Since it would seem to violate the canon rules of the Superman universe, it may be considered an unfortunate anomaly. I'm sure the Fringe writers wouldn't think of doing anything like that. biggrin.gif
post #6134 of 6444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Moves at hyper-speed through what??? Through the floor of the elevator? Through its closed door? Moving really fast lets you move through solids??? The room is underground and closed with no other apparent way in or out except the elevator. One moment he's standing in the elevator and the next he appears out of thin air in front of its closed door in a room at the other end of the shaft an unknown distance below.

OK, imagine that you see the observer standing on the sidewalk and then close your eyes while he comes to your floor on the elevator. You open your eyes and there he is. He didn't move thru solid matter, just altered time space such that it appeared to you that he instantly went from one place to another. Teleportation would also work.
post #6135 of 6444
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

OK, imagine that you see the observer standing on the sidewalk
You bring his ass a jalapeno and tabasco sandwich...
post #6136 of 6444
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

OK, imagine that you see the observer standing on the sidewalk and then close your eyes while he comes to your floor on the elevator. You open your eyes and there he is. He didn't move thru solid matter, just altered time space such that it appeared to you that he instantly went from one place to another.

This would assume that the Observer can perceive and encompass all of the myriad parts of the elevator and its shaft and move them into his accelerated time as well, inasmuch as we don't see it or its doors move either. He even bothered to send it back up before placing it back into normal time, so it looked as though he blinked out existence in its car and appeared on the floor of the chamber below without disturbing it. Teleportation seems an ever so much simpler explanation smile.gif.
post #6137 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

We're the ones who cooked up the issue of teleportation vs super speed. It probably never bothered the Fringe writers at all. ...
I guess I figure that if we are talking about it, there are probably threads on it at Fringe forums. It just seemed like such a pointed segment without another apparent dramatic purpose. You see the collaborators getting in the elevator, the Captain missing it, him looking down, teleporting down, then you see the folks in the elevator come out behind him, showing that the elevator was still in use. Maybe he super-sped through the stairs... tongue.gif

v/r,
C-F
post #6138 of 6444
We can discuss this stuff adnauseum. Its science fiction with the emphasis on fiction. I am a huge Star trek fan. I have often wondered how long was a human's life span on trek. I can't remember if a show ever addressed that question. With their transporter and synthesizer technology you would think they could replicate any part of the human body to replace failing organs thereby giving themselves near immortality. Its just a show enjoy it for what it is, fiction.
post #6139 of 6444
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Originally Posted by jpillar View Post

We can discuss this stuff adnauseum.

Precisely. Have you considered that we're enjoying discussing it? The "science" of Fringe is a legitimate topic in this thread. Go 'way rolleyes.gifsmile.gif.
post #6140 of 6444
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post


Also, when Etta tortured the Loyalist earlier this season, it was with older Observer tech that was designed to help prep them to teleport, so maybe willy-nilly teleportation is not possible & is used only for certain situations.

Etta, IIRC, used the term "teleport" when describing the intended use for the torture device she was using on the Loyalist. Not that this clears up the debate.....maybe our heroes don't really know either.....
post #6141 of 6444
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Originally Posted by jpillar View Post

We can discuss this stuff adnauseum. Its science fiction with the emphasis on fiction. I am a huge Star trek fan. I have often wondered how long was a human's life span on trek. I can't remember if a show ever addressed that question. With their transporter and synthesizer technology you would think they could replicate any part of the human body to replace failing organs thereby giving themselves near immortality. Its just a show enjoy it for what it is, fiction.

Didn't Star Trek, The Next Generation deal with that in their pilot which featured a VERY OLD Bones? Not sure they mentioned his age but the timeframe between the original series and TNG was about 75 years so Bones was really old by then.
post #6142 of 6444
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Originally Posted by PMA View Post

Didn't Star Trek, The Next Generation deal with that in their pilot which featured a VERY OLD Bones? Not sure they mentioned his age but the timeframe between the original series and TNG was about 75 years so Bones was really old by then.

I don't recall that one. I remember one about Scotty who'd escaped some situation by hiding in the transporter buffer of a small ship that he'd been wandering around in by himself; he'd been stored there for decades so he was relatively young. The end of ST:TOS is 99 years before the beginning of ST:TNG; the Leonard McCoy character makes a cameo appearance in the pilot as Admiral McCoy but I don't think he returns.
post #6143 of 6444
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Originally Posted by PMA View Post

Didn't Star Trek, The Next Generation deal with that in their pilot which featured a VERY OLD Bones? Not sure they mentioned his age but the timeframe between the original series and TNG was about 75 years so Bones was really old by then.

From IMDB
Admiral Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy: How old do you think I am, anyway?
Lt. Commander Data: 137 years, Admiral, according to Starfleet records.
Admiral Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy: Explain how you remember that so exactly!
Lt. Commander Data: I remember every fact I am exposed to, sir.
Admiral Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy: [looking at both sides of Data's head] I don't see no points on your ears, boy, but you sound like a Vulcan.
Lt. Commander Data: No, sir. I am an android.
Admiral Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy: Hmph. Almost as bad. tongue.gif

I used to own a copy of the Next Gen bible and it was stated that it took place 78 years after Kirk and co. biggrin.gif

Doug
post #6144 of 6444
Bones - or "Admiral McCoy" in this case - appeared in the TNG pilot episode per Gene Roddenberry's request. Data was showing him around the Enterprise before it left for Farpoint, IIRC. Kelley was further aged via make up & Bones would have been well over 100 yrs old. Being a doctor & being the Trek universe, it seemed sorta plausible.

EDIT: Doug in the above post beat me to it w/ better info. smile.gif
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And now we are beaming back to the Fringe forum. wink.gifsmile.gif
post #6146 of 6444
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

And now we are beaming back to the Fringe forum. wink.gifsmile.gif



Ah, but will we be teleporting there, or just moving real fast?
post #6147 of 6444
I'm thinking more along the lines of warp drive. wink.gif
post #6148 of 6444
Ok... so there's this guy named Manny and he was ground into a paste, and dried, and then kneaded into dough. Meanwhile, a vegetarian decided he wanted to knead some tofu as well. An argument ensued over which one had created the heavier end-product for baking. That's when Leonard Nimoy stepped in and declared:

The kneads of the Manny outweigh the kneads of Tofu.



Since we are off-topic anyway. biggrin.gif
post #6149 of 6444
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Ok... so there's this guy named Manny and he was ground into a paste, and dried, and then kneaded into dough. Meanwhile, a vegetarian decided he wanted to knead some tofu as well. An argument ensued over which one had created the heavier end-product for baking. That's when Leonard Nimoy stepped in and declared:
The kneads of the Manny outweigh the kneads of Tofu.
Since we are off-topic anyway. biggrin.gif

I can almost hear Walter saying that, it fits his character perfectly.
post #6150 of 6444
Just as a reminder Fringe is back tonight! Then next week is the two episode (two hour) series finale
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