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post #6151 of 6444
Another bad decision by a network to end this series in spite of the diversion from where they were last year.
post #6152 of 6444
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Another bad decision by a network to end this series in spite of the diversion from where they were last year.

They announced this decision at the end of April last year, before Season 4 finished airing. I doubt that it's fared any better in the ratings this season than before.
post #6153 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Just as a reminder Fringe is back tonight! Then next week is the two episode (two hour) series finale

oh man thanks for this! I completely forgot! cool.gifsmile.gif
post #6154 of 6444
Love the epi, lots was explained. I was really happy the character that plays September was portrayed as being human.Lots to absorb, will be watching again later when the family is asleep rolleyes.gif

Another thing what's up with the throw back look, it's like a 50's feel hair styles, and clothing? It's not everyone wearing them, just a few..Just thought it was odd.

DJoel
post #6155 of 6444
I don't know what's coming next week, but this is fun!

One thing that really struck me was the music. Donald starts the music box mechanism for his son, who continues winding it. Then Windmark starts the "radio" playing, followed by the other Observer tapping his foot, though it seemed to confuse him. It makes me think the boy has something "musical" in store for Windmark and his henchmen. The scene also had Messianic overtones for me. I also remember someone mentioning that it would be Walter who would sacrifice himself to save the world. That appears to be part of the plan, though I suspect a twist may be in store for us. And red universe Olivia may make an appearance! Will we see Henry? Will Henrietta return, as Olivia seems to think?

I'm going to start watching the whole series over as soon as the season 5 Blu-ray set is released. biggrin.gif
post #6156 of 6444
I teared up slightly when Walter was telling Peter what Michael had shown him. I was expecting Walter to die to rectify his mistakes but I really hope I'm wrong and they find a way to avoid that. A "noble" sacrifice and redemptive moment it may be, but it will make the finale a real downer.

Great to see September as a human too and his interactions with Walter are still as good as they ever were.

Can't wait to see what folds and unfolds next week. Broyles has to make a reappearance and I would not be surprised if the empathic abilities of Michael create a resurgence of emotion in The Observers, which cause Windmark to make a fatal error.
post #6157 of 6444
Glad to see Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
a return to the red universe. After all, a timeline reset that eliminates the observers will also affect the red universe as well!

Even if Walter does have to sacrifice himself... they said it will be a timeline reset... and will result in the elimination of the Observers we know ever being created... which should mean the elimination of the September-interrupting-Walternate situation... which would have huge ramifications.

I wonder how all of this will play out.
post #6158 of 6444
But if they push the kid to the future for the scientists to study him and this therefore resets the timeline and this then destroys the observers as they know them, wouldn't that destroy September and therefore the kid would never be born to begin with 😨
post #6159 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

But if they push the kid to the future for the scientists to study him and this therefore resets the timeline and this then destroys the observers as they know them, wouldn't that destroy September and therefore the kid would never be born to begin with 😨

More importantly Peter's life would also change. He would never have been brought over from the Redverse.

I was expecting Peter to say to Olivia that if they did change the timeline it would only be for a world that Peter and Olvia would never experience.

Olivia and Peter fight for a world without Observers (not just Etta) and Walter dies in the process to save mankind. Their efforts not to save one person, but to save mankind. Double sacrifice?

Maybe the realization will hit them next week. Or Peter and Liv will use the time machine to jump to a moment when Etta is alive and take her with them to whichever future is better.
post #6160 of 6444
Great episode.

Next week is sure to be a roller coaster.

Yeah....it hadn't dawned on Olivia that without the observers, September wouldn't be there to save Peter and Walter.
post #6161 of 6444
Yeah, I forgot about Walter and Peter too. Then they're be dead too.

The show is just gonna end with Olivia walking up in bed with John Scott.
post #6162 of 6444
If the earliest intervention of an Observer was September's rescue at the lake, then that's the re-set point. We should see Olivia in 2035 in whatever her life would have been had that rescue, Fringe Division, Peter, the Redverse, etc. etc. never happened. And who knows what that would have been -- a world where Olivia had been exposed to cortexiphan but only William Bell went on with the project.

But with the series' apparent major subtext of "love conquers all time/space paradoxes," I doubt this will be what actually happens.
post #6163 of 6444
You guys aren't thinking far back enough.

Observers were watching in the distant past too... who knows what they might have changed.

BUT...

most importantly...

It was September that distracted Walternate... without distraction, Walternate would have cured Peter himself... and Walter never would have crossed over to take Peter.
post #6164 of 6444
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It was September that distracted Walternate... without distraction, Walternate would have cured Peter himself... and Walter never would have crossed over to take Peter.

Good point, you're right, that was an earlier intervention than the rescue.

And the cortexiphan research had already begun, so there was already a connection, through Walter, between what would be a now-cured Peter and Olivia.

Providing a credible path in an Observerless world for Peter and Olivia to somehow get together and for a version of Henrietta to exist in 2035. And for love to conquer all...
post #6165 of 6444
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

You guys aren't thinking far back enough.

Observers were watching in the distant past too... who knows what they might have changed.

BUT...

most importantly...

It was September that distracted Walternate... without distraction, Walternate would have cured Peter himself... and Walter never would have crossed over to take Peter.


Remember what September said? If they had known about the smart kid, the observers would never had been created.

....and your right about September distracting Walter.


But.....would Walter have not been eventually tempted to go to the Red Universe? It's in his genes. lol
post #6166 of 6444
Great discussion friends! Without my recording device (and seeing it at least twice) I thought that Donald told Walter he must sacrifice Peter to save the world. I also teared up when Walter and Peter embraced with Olivia + the boy watching in the background. Did anyone recognize the music box Winmark turned on in September's apartment? Superman2 I do not think that is an if the coming attractions showed a brief glimpse of the boy on a table surrounded by Observers and he glowed green. I agree with rdClark, and VisionOn; I believe that Olivia's comment when she got some water foreshadowed your "ideal" outcome.
For once I got more answers instead of questions especially the dearth of female observers, but was the Observer who ordered Winmark not to intervene a new character?
Edited by Josea - 1/12/13 at 5:35am
post #6167 of 6444
Speaking of Windmere, isn't he emotional.....a quality that was supposably removed for intellect?
post #6168 of 6444
I noticed that also JimP maybe instead of dementia the observers brains deteriorate to showing emotions as they age. I just wonder will the boy ever speak? Does anyone else think that September is donefor?
post #6169 of 6444
I've seen even young Observers show what seem to be emotions, if only anger. In the opening scene of "Letters of Transit" they're lounging in a sort of speakeasy with women sitting in their laps and otherwise draped over them. One of them snatches at a girl who's trying to leave to go home and exhibits anger when the club owner interferes. In their dealings with humanity often seem filled with contempt and disgust. They've shown emotions, just no positive ones.
Edited by michaeltscott - 1/12/13 at 6:35am
post #6170 of 6444
I'm glad the other universe will be included. Considering it was almost half what the series was about, it would of been foolish not to include it. I'm sure that the daughter will be back.

I wonder if we will see Bell again?
post #6171 of 6444
Ahhh, Walter was distracted? Gonna watch season 1 again😜
post #6172 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

Ahhh, Walter was distracted? Gonna watch season 1 again😜

Walternate was distracted by September, who said that he'd come to witness the moment of his discovery of the cure, thereby preventing the discovery of the cure, causing Walter to cross into the redverse to save red Peter, his own Peter having died already.
post #6173 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

Ahhh, Walter was distracted? Gonna watch season 1 again😜


I forgot that happened as well. Until I was reminded a few pages back. biggrin.gif

Fringe is an easy show to follow as long as you can remember what happened. This is one series that really benefits from watching back to back episodes over a short period of time.
post #6174 of 6444
Yeah--I think that I enjoyed it more watching it knowing what was going to happen than I did the first time through. Again, the first four seasons are available as Amazon Prime Instant Video. Pretty decent quality sound and video.
post #6175 of 6444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Yeah--I think that I enjoyed it more watching it knowing what was going to happen than I did the first time through. Again, the first four seasons are available as Amazon Prime Instant Video. Pretty decent quality sound and video.

Same here. It's easier to see the significance of what they were doing in the earlier episodes.

Plus, I'm on the lookout for those observers. The bastards are everywhere. lol

I've got Amazon Prime Instant Video too. I'm getting it on a Panasonic TV app so the audio is only stereo.
post #6176 of 6444
What has really helped me has been the marathon of Fringe episodes on the ScienceHD channel. I just watched a few days ago the episode of Walter and Peter falling in the frozen lake after returning with Peter from the other universe.
post #6177 of 6444
It's probably going to be several years before I rewatch Fringe, but I will buy the Blu-ray box set when it's released.

For serialized shows I dont like watching single episodes. I like a good passage of time to have elapsed so I have time to forget some the twists and turns, watch marathon-style and it's an almost new experience again.
post #6178 of 6444
It's pretty much the same for me. I got the Blu-ray sets when they were released, and I was shocked at how much I had forgotten. Fringe is packed with so much that it's easy to forget major points, and there are always things that I missed completely on first viewing. The Blu-ray season sets are amazing, with pristine picture and sound quality. Fox in my area looks really soft. The HD discs help to make it seem like I'm watching for the first time. It's especially beautiful in the Harvard lab, where they can get the lighting just the way they want it.
post #6179 of 6444
Been busy and missed most of this season. Frak, only one episode (2 hour) left!? That's all...really? What happened to May sweeps? We hardly knew ye....
*sniff!*
post #6180 of 6444
I don't necessarily think the "reset" of the future (and thus, the past), the culmination of September and Walter's plan, will eliminate the Observers altogether. Rather, it may set them on a different, more benign path. (Eliminating the Observers would also eliminate September and the whole plan, no? Yeah, makes my head hurt too, as Captain Janeway once said.)

Once Michael "returns" to the future and shows those advanced scientists that they don't have to remove emotions from the human brain to achieve advanced intelligence, the Observers may evolve into a different, more benevolent species - the culmination of mankind's evolution that we all hope for. Not only will the horrors of the Observer invasion be avoided in our time, the future will be one of peace, harmony, and universal prosperity. Talk about ending the series on a high note, eh? smile.gif
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