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Absent cloning, and there's no indication of that since The Observers look different from one another, you would still need both genders to fulfill the biological requirements of procreation, no matter how it's accomplished.
Or they simply have grown/manufactured the female component in a lab. We do know Michael carries September's DNA. By the 26th/27th century...if you can exist outside of time, you can likely also generate the necessary components to fill in those genetic/biological blank spots an all male race would need to keep on breeding. They also appeared to grow rapidly from fetus to adult in a tank, based on the bits we saw - and Michael was obviously not "fully cooked" when the discovery of his flaw was found.
post #6212 of 6444
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Absent cloning, and there's no indication of that since The Observers look different from one another, you would still need both genders to fulfill the biological requirements of procreation, no matter how it's accomplished.

Hmm.I suddenly remember In the Barn Anyone read Dangerous Visions?
post #6213 of 6444
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Except The Observers haven't changed their past yet. All they have done so far is start the first (easily reversible) step.

Anything they have accomplished so far is easily rectified, causing the same outcome for them as any other timeline did. Especially because they failed to account for the Fringe team and the child. Any of which can cause their plan to fail before it has any chance of succeeding in changing their outcome. Given their abilities they could still steer the course of events to create the same future outcome that sends them back and nullify any minor deviations, but if they want to create major changes to their future they have to create major and irreversible changes in the present.

If someone went back in time with a plan to kill Hitler, until they kill Hitler nothing changes. The time traveler could be blown up by an allied bomb the day before the assassination and the only thing they would change in history would be the amount of debris. The Observers saying "we'll invade 2036 with some evil A/C machines and take over the world!" means nothing to the future until they've actually done that. As the Fringers continuously messing up their plan demonstrates.

 

How can you say they haven't changed their past yet?   They have invaded the past and conquered the population.     Even if the Observers were somehow defeated, it would still change the future.  The only way to remove the changes from the timeline would be to remove the observers before they invaded.    The scientists working on the first Observer modifications in the 22nd century would be aware of the Observers who conquered the 21st century.     So if Walter and Team simply went from their current reality and jumped forward in time to the 22nd century,  it would already have been changed.   In other words, if someone went back in time to Kill Hitler, it is very likely that the event would be recorded in history, even if it failed.  

 

One possibility is that the Observers are actually from another "more pristine" parallel universe and decided to invade the Fringe universe so that they wouldn't ruin their own timeline and therefore avoid a major causality loop and/or paradox.   Perhaps Walter and Team will actually jump to the 22nd century in the red universe to prevent the Observers from invading their own universe.    


Edited by edpowers - 1/14/13 at 9:42am
post #6214 of 6444
I wonder how they're going to explain red head Olivia from the other Universe looking the same age as our Olivia confused.gif


Djoel
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I wonder how they're going to explain red head Olivia from the other Universe looking the same age as our Olivia confused.gif


Djoel

My guess is our Olivia ends up in the 2015-era Redverse, prior to the Observer invasion in her own?
post #6216 of 6444
4 days and counting...................wooohooooo!!!
post #6217 of 6444
I may or may not end up being correct... but I still am holding onto the possibility that the Observers are from the future of the red universe... This would be how they could come back in time and alter the Blue universe to their liking.

Consider also... at the end of season 3, when the bridge device was activated... we saw a future where the red universe had been destroyed... and the blue universe was falling apart. Note how there was no Observer invasion in that Blue universe... IF the Observers were from the future of the red universe, and that universe was destroyed... then the Blue universe was saved... except it couldn't exist on its own, sooo it was going to go boom as well.

In the "original" timeline... Walternate would have saved Peter... but he would likely have stayed in the red universe too... The Observers have observed in the red universe BUT we have not been shown any instances of them trying to shape the future of the red universe as they have the blue universe.

So... my theory has been that the Observers are from the red universe future. This is why nothing they do to try and change things causes the Observers to go away. Like the bomb they sent to the future this season? And it didn't change anything.

My guess is the blue universe future didn't produce Observers... the red universe did... and then they realized they could go back in time and alter the blue universe and take that universe over... while maintaining their own future by NOT interfering with the red universe timeline... unfortunately September made problems... that had to be addressed... so that their future could come to pass in the red universe.

I think the ultimate resolution has to take place in the red universe... because going to the future of the red universe is where the Observers could be stopped.

We will see this Friday.
post #6218 of 6444
I like that idea. I didn't look for them, but I wonder if the Twin Towers were in the flash-forward.

v/r,
C-F
post #6219 of 6444
So if September removed/had removed his tech, then why does he seem normal now? I thought they told Peter it was a one-way process and if left in too long, he couldn't revert back. But then I can only stay up w/ about 10% of this show anyway. I agree w/ those that favor "marathon" watching a series like this. Did it last summer w/ Breaking Bad and was a lot better. Probably due to destroying too many brain cells in my mis-spent youth. eek.gif
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So if September removed/had removed his tech, then why does he seem normal now? I thought they told Peter it was a one-way process and if left in too long, he couldn't revert back. But then I can only stay up w/ about 10% of this show anyway. I agree w/ those that favor "marathon" watching a series like this. Did it last summer w/ Breaking Bad and was a lot better. Probably due to destroying too many brain cells in my mis-spent youth. eek.gif

"Donald" mentioned that his compatriots experimented on him after removing his tech & before releasing him back into the general population. As well, Walter stated in Letters of Transit last season that what the Observers did to September as punishment for helping the Fringe team was "interesting".
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"Donald" mentioned that his compatriots experimented on him after removing his tech & before releasing him back into the general population. As well, Walter stated in Letters of Transit last season that what the Observers did to September as punishment for helping the Fringe team was "interesting".

Makes you wonder why the Observers didn't just plug him in the head for his massive betrayal and constant meddling.

Instead, they just let him back out in the wild to potentially meddle some more. Real smart move, you super-advanced genius race.
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I may or may not end up being correct... but I still am holding onto the possibility that the Observers are from the future of the red universe... This would be how they could come back in time and alter the Blue universe to their liking.


I think the ultimate resolution has to take place in the red universe... because going to the future of the red universe is where the Observers could be stopped.

We will see this Friday.

I'm pretty sure I praised you for that theory when you first stated it. If not, I'm doing it now. smile.gif

And I'm betting you're at least partly right about the finale. Now that we know from the previews that there is contact with the redverse again it seems likely it will be for something like what you're speculating. Why else do they need red olivia's help?
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I may or may not end up being correct... but I still am holding onto the possibility that the Observers are from the future of the red universe... This would be how they could come back in time and alter the Blue universe to their liking.
 

 

I hope you are correct.  It would be a great way to tie the two big story arcs together and remove all of the paradox problems related to time traveling.  

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Makes you wonder why the Observers didn't just plug him in the head for his massive betrayal and constant meddling.

Instead, they just let him back out in the wild to potentially meddle some more. Real smart move, you super-advanced genius race.



Arrogance


Djoel
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Arrogance


Djoel

Lazy writing is more like it.

Although I guess you couldn't really have season 5 then, could you?
Edited by hhaller - 1/15/13 at 12:11pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jptm7Yedo&feature=youtu.be

New "theatrical trailer" for this weeks finale. Very cool.
post #6227 of 6444
Just convinced me to get the full set when it's available.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jptm7Yedo&feature=youtu.be

New "theatrical trailer" for this weeks finale. Very cool.
That was pretty awesome, thanks for the link.

I am really going to miss this show when it's gone.
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That was pretty awesome, thanks for the link.

I am really going to miss this show when it's gone.

+1
post #6230 of 6444
Just a few days left... If my theory doesn't pan out, I hope they do something that is equally as satisfying in terms of unifying the arcs of the red/blu-verse stories.

It just seems logical to me... and Fringe has had a lot of logic to it, even if you don't always see it the first time... some of the logic shines through only after you go back and watch earlier episodes again and see the threads that run all the way back to the beginning.
post #6231 of 6444
Is this the final episode?
post #6232 of 6444
The final two episodes air Friday night - a Fringe series finale/movie event.
post #6233 of 6444
Damn I'm gonna miss this show. I've ragged on season 5 quite a bit (deservedly so) but even the most underwhelming episode of Fringe is better than 99% of the other stuff out there.

I wonder if regular network channels will ever air something like this again.
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Damn I'm gonna miss this show. I've ragged on season 5 quite a bit (deservedly so) but even the most underwhelming episode of Fringe is better than 99% of the other stuff out there.

I wonder if regular network channels will ever air something like this again.

 

I agree.   I haven't been a big fan of Season 5, but I really loved the last episode and have high hopes for a great finale.     Based on ratings, I have serious doubts that we'll ever see something like Fringe on the OTA networks again.   Its amazing that it was renewed in Season 4 and a minor miracle that it was renewed for Season 5.    Thank God for basic cable, HBO and SHO. 

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  Its amazing that it was renewed in Season 4 and a minor miracle that it was renewed for Season 5.

That or they were just lucky that the head of FOX programming is an ardent FRINGE fan
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That or they were just lucky that the head of FOX programming is an ardent FRINGE fan

Probably doesn't hurt that Anna Torv is Rupert Murdoch's niece either...
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Probably doesn't hurt that Anna Torv is Rupert Murdoch's niece either...

Was his niece by marriage.

Murdoch & 2nd wife, writer Anna Maria Torv Murdoch Mann (Anna Torv's paternal aunt), divorced in 1999. She got $1.2 Billion in the divorce. Yes....BILLION. With a B

Probably not a factor in the lifespan of FRINGE. wink.gif
post #6238 of 6444
A very nice appreciation of Fringe, particularly of the acting. Spoiler-free, as far as I can see.

In the end, `Fringe' was all about identity

TED ANTHONY , The Associated Press

Posted: Thursday, January 17, 2013, 10:26 AM
As the Fox alternate-universe drama "Fringe" ends its five-season run, let us pause to praise John Noble's textured performance as Walter Bishop , and his talented potrayals of Walter Bishop, Walter Bishop and Walter Bishop. And Anna Torv? Her work as Olivia Dunham, Olivia Dunham and Olivia Dunham has built a one-dimensional character into a genuine, multifaceted sci-fi heroine.

This is the situation in which "Fringe" fans find themselves ahead of the final, two-hour conclusion that airs Friday. So what on Earth , or, given that it's "Fringe," what on Earths , are we talking about here?

Only the fact that, unlike any other show in recent memory , or, perhaps, in television history itself , "Fringe" has required something of its troupe of actors that is both daunting and utterly captivating to watch: It forced them to play several different versions of their characters, sometimes all at once, and define unique characteristics and emotional memories for each one over time.

This has been the case since the first season, which introduced the notion of multiple universes with a finale called "There's More Than One of Everything." By and by, the multiplicity produced dialogue you wouldn't find anywhere else, like the time when Noble's Walter Bishop says to Jasika Nicole's Agent Astrid Farnsworth: "You're not you, are you?"

For the past five seasons, "Fringe" has chronicled the exploits of Olivia, forced to collaborate with licorice-chomping, soft-hearted, guilt-ridden mad scientist Dr. Bishop to explore "fringe events," weird occurrences that suggest a nefarious plan is afoot to threaten the world. Joining them is Walter's adult son Peter (Joshua Jackson), who has played a special role in all that's unfolding.

Jackson, though, ended up the only main character in the show who wasn't regularly playing different versions of himself.

Actors playing multiple roles isn't new. Alec Guinness did it in the 1949 movie "Kind Hearts and Coronets," in which he portrayed a whopping eight roles, including a woman. But those were all different characters. Soap operas have been replete with people undergoing plastic surgery to resemble others and evil agents replacing good characters. Mike Myers, of course, perfected the comedic version of this in the "Austin Powers" movies, in which he plays multiple characters including the title role and the villain, "Dr. Evil." Comedians from Jerry Lewis to Eddie Murphy to Tyler Perry have both prospered and flopped while dabbling in this kind of duality.

Rarely, though, is a performer called upon to develop the same recurring character in two similar worlds. Leonard Nimoy did it with a memorable turn as a goateed, ironfisted Mr. Spock in an original "Star Trek" episode that sent the Enterprise crew into a more bloodthirsty parallel universe. (No coincidence, perhaps, that a chunk of the team that makes "Fringe" is also behind the new "Trek" movies.)

"Fringe" was an unusual acting challenge for sure, largely because of its slow burn. The show has spent five seasons engineering crossovers to alternate universes, rebooting universes entirely and generally exploiting the entertainment potential of quantum theory to produce slight variations on characters who were subtly different based on the experiences their circumstances forced them to endure.

Thus Blair Brown has played her character, Nina Sharp, as a frosty tycoon, a mysterious ally and even a maternal figure to a main character. Seth Gabel developed two versions of Agent Lincoln Lee in two separate universes , one quiet, earnest and slightly shy, the other gregarious, trash-talking and militaristic. Fringe Division's leader, Phillip Broyles (Lance Reddick), is a supervising agent in one reality and a colonel in another , kind but cold in the first, cold but kind in the second. And in one universe, Agent Farnsworth is a smiling, empathetic foil to Walter Bishop; in another, she's colder, numbers-focused and shows signs of Asperger's.

But the most fascinating permutations of this have come from Torv and Noble, two of the three main characters around whom the show's own universe spins.

Torv's initial Olivia Dunham was reserved, emotionally stunted, unwilling to trust or commit , based partially on her experiences with an abusive stepfather. The alternate-universe "Fauxlivia" was tougher, more disciplined , and more outgoing and willing to take what is hers. And the Olivia of later seasons, a hybrid of the original and a third one, is still reserved but able to access her feelings more readily. (In one story, Torv even portrayed a version of herself as possessed by Leonard Nimoy's consciousness. Don't ask.)

Noble's performances, though, have been the show's tour de force. He has played Dr. Walter Bishop as an addled old man, a misguided genius, a ruthless technocrat and a combination of all three , plus a younger version of himselves. What's more, he played "Walternate," the alternate-universe defense secretary whose motives are shadowy but whose methods are downright cruel. Some of the show's most electric moments unfolded when Noble shared screen time with himself , not because of the differences in the characters but because of their similarities even under very different circumstances.

And that's the point, really.

Science fiction though it is, "Fringe" has always been about universal themes: family, responsibility to community and, in the end, how our experiences shape our identities. Because even in our own universe, aren't we all different people , each of us, every day, calibrating our identities slightly to fit an ever more complex web of moments and interactions? That's what "Fringe" did. It examined how to be a father when you're also a scientist, how to be human when you're also very alien, how to be a parent when you're also a child. Just like us, though we don't have doppelgangers in alternate universes to compare ourselves to.

"Fringe" dug into the very unplugged notion that we all contain multitudes , that while our identities contain certain core components, the challenges and triumphs and tragedies we face can propel us in utterly different directions that sometimes even we don't recognize.

"Must be nice to know who you are, to know your place in the world," Peter Bishop says in one episode. But in "Fringe," no one was ever really certain. And the show concludes with that powerful message: There but for the grace of God go I. And I and I and I and I.

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Ted Anthony writes about American culture for The Associated Press. Follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/anthonyted
post #6239 of 6444
A really good read. Thanks for that.
post #6240 of 6444
I agree. Sad to think that one of the brightest stars of television will go dim in just a few hours. frown.gif
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