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post #6301 of 6444
I was meaning to post many episodes ago that Walter is so prolific in this show, I no longer even associate him as "The Steward" from LotR RotK. He is just "Walter", now! smile.gif
post #6302 of 6444
Finally watched the finale... great way to end the show. I too thought they were going to show us a peek of Walter & the kid in the future... just to see they're ok. But I guess it really doesn't matter - the damage done by the Observers is undone and the family can move forward happily together.

I enjoyed the callbacks to past episodes, unleashing old Fringe cases on the Loyalists & Observers.

I'm sad to see the show gone. I for one can't believe it's only been 5 seasons long! Seems longer than that to me...

And yes, "old" Olivia is hot too smile.gif
post #6303 of 6444
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I just frame stepped through the Windmark-getting-slammed-by-a-truck thing and while it looks as though he started teleporting away, subsequent frames show him through the driver side window of the truck getting smashed pretty hard, with his head snapping and striking the window a couple of times with what looks like a lot of brain matter smattering one of the window, not just blood. I think his body was still there, just not upright. IMO he's well and truly dead. From the moment the car hits his body to the end is no more than a second, so they put all of those frames in there for geeks who'd step through them biggrin.gif. (I tried to get a series of screenshots but I can't figure out how to keep my camera from flashing so they were obscured by big glare spots; I can't find where anyone else posted anything like it).

I stepped through the frames, too, but saw less distinguished details than you laid out. He did leave a pretty bloody smack of a head print on the window, though. I certainly wouldn't question if that injury was serious "enough". wink.gif Of course, his body was crushed between 2 trucks. It's not visible, but what else are we to assume from that combination of circumstances?

If nobody else gets around to it, I can capture those frames and post. It may be a while, though. I'm not that obsessed over it. smile.gif

As far as the Olivia or the boy making it happen, I think it is pretty clear after examining that scene. They show Olivia with a very particular facial expression, and the power gets sucked out of half the city in the backdrop behind her. That seems like a pretty obvious hint that it was her doing. She is not at all surprised at the result, afterwards, either. If you saw that, and had nothing to do with it happening, you would be pretty surprised about it, I reckon.
post #6304 of 6444
I can't believe it's gone either. frown.gif It was a great ride though, and the ending, if not completely satisfying, was pretty good. *I* for one, liked it better than the Lost finale.

The laser emitter from his LaserDisk player was a lot more robust than I thought. Maybe I should keep mine, just in case of Amber. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

*I* for one, liked it better than the Lost finale.

Walter and Windmark didn't have a fistfight over who got to rule a nonsensical magic cave, so any other outcome would be better than that!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

As far as the Olivia or the boy making it happen, I think it is pretty clear after examining that scene. They show Olivia with a very particular facial expression, and the power gets sucked out of half the city in the backdrop behind her. That seems like a pretty obvious hint that it was her doing.

Why is there any doubt? Olivia had been juiced up with cortexiphan and the anger reactivated her Force abilities. She's used telekinesis multiple times during the show.

The bullet was the clear instigator in the entire scene and Olivia was quite annoyed that Windmark killed Etta. wink.gif
post #6307 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

I stepped through the frames, too, but saw less distinguished details than you laid out. He did leave a pretty bloody smack of a head print on the window, though. I certainly wouldn't question if that injury was serious "enough". wink.gif

Whats left behind on the truck window after Windmarks head hits it (Click to show)
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...as captured with my phone using the HDR option, which got rid of the flash glare spot smile.gif
post #6308 of 6444
I also think that it's inconclusive.

Lets face it. If the writers had wanted us to know without a shadow of doubt that Windmark is gone for good, wouldn't they have shown more?
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

I also think that it's inconclusive.

Lets face it. If the writers had wanted us to know without a shadow of doubt that Windmark is gone for good, wouldn't they have shown more?

No. If a viewer cannot extrapolate from the blood/brain matter collage on the window, it's on the viewer.

As Ph8te and MichaelTScott eloquently noted, everything that led up to the moment (Olivia and her shots and the buildings losing their power as she "powers up") were designed by the writers to be a climactic scene for the Olivia character. That Olivia is the one to kill him also makes sense in Fringe World - it was going to have be her or the boy to deal with W, i.e. someone with superior powers. It's a fitting coda for her character that the powers that arguably caused her to go down this path finally are used for the ultimate good, in the sense of finishing off W so that the boy and Walter can go into the future - not to mention that Olivia exacts revenge for her and Peter on the killer of Etta, which the writers elegantly reminded us by drawing our attention to Etta's bullet necklace when it fell on the ground during Olivia's struggle with W. Olivia noticed it too, and I like to think it gave her that little extra oomph when drawing the power of the surrounding buildings as she prepared to introduce W to true superiority.

Anyway, does anyone really think that the debris left on the window was intended to depict a flesh wound? LOL It's far too hard to give any other explanation for the window matter than to accept it's the end of the W.
Edited by Joseph - 1/20/13 at 9:49am
post #6310 of 6444
This was the finale. There was no intent or need to be vague or to misdirect the audience.

Olivia marshaled the powers that have been at the center of her character's development for five seasons, and killed the Big Bad. There is no doubt.

Walter went to the future, sacrificing the remainder of the life with his son that he has gone through so much to reclaim, in order to save the world. He succeeded. There is no doubt.

Peter was not "the boy." In the end, it wasn't really All About Peter. Oh well. He got Olivia. Nice consolation prize, that.

"Astrid" really is a beautiful name. No doubt.
post #6311 of 6444

Much better ending than Deadwood. ;-}

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Anyone else catch the 6 finger hand mark on the wall during the white powder scene? Hehe
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I'm already missing the show... Maybe it's time to go back to season 1 and watch the whole thing again! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Peter was not "the boy." In the end, it wasn't really All About Peter. Oh well. He got Olivia. Nice consolation prize, that.

Peter was "the boy" to Walter. I think it was September's way of saying to Walter that "your son is your most important thing, as important as mine is to me". Something like that. It was in fact September's compassion that destabilized everything in the first place. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Will. Never. Happen. 'Fringe', good as it was for what it was, is no 'Firefly'. And even with the latter's rabid and relatively large fanbase (compared to 'Fringe'), Serenity was more or less a flop at the box office.

I never watched the series even though I saw the movie (and liked it a lot) so I'm not gonna bash it, but to say a Fringe movie wouldn't happen by comparing it to Firefly seems unwarranted.

First off one lasted a mere 1 season as opposed to the other that went 5 seasons. I'd say right there Fringe is more well known and loved. I didn't see the Firefly fans fighting so hard to bring a show back from the brink of cancellation like the Fringe fans did.

Was Firefly a cult hit? Absolutely, but lets not act like their fans were in such mass that it dwarved the Fringe fans. If it were, I'd think they would have had the numbers to make sure the show continued.
Edited by Tom Imp - 1/20/13 at 8:44am
post #6316 of 6444
I think the most likely way to continue Fringe is in the form of a graphic novel - or on Netflix, since they seem to be continuing beloved cult series. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Superman2 View Post

Anyone else catch the 6 finger hand mark on the wall during the white powder scene? Hehe

Yes, I saw that.. What made that hand print?...or was that just a visual gag?
post #6318 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post



I never watched the series even though I saw the movie (and liked it a lot) so I'm not gonna bash it, but to say a Fringe movie wouldn't happen by comparing it to Firefly seems unwarranted.

First off one lasted a mere 1 season as opposed to the other that went 5 seasons. I'd say right there Fringe is more well known and loved. I didn't see the Firefly fans fighting so hard to bring a show back from the brink of cancellation like the Fringe fans did.

Was Firefly a cult hit? Absolutely, but lets not act like their fans were in such mass that it dwarved the Fringe fans. If it were, I'd think they would have had the numbers to make sure the show continued.

While what you say isn't inaccurate, remember that it was a different TV world back then and audiences for all shows were generally greater than now. The other thing to consider is that 'Firefly' has actually gained fans as its legend has grown over the last decade or so. There were only 13 episodes which have been re-aired many times on many different networks. The shiny-disk sales have been consistently high as the box-set, with such a small amount of content, has been relatively inexpensive to own. And the feature film 'Serenity' introduced a new fan base to augment the old.

As much as I enjoyed 'Fringe', I can't see it retaining its rabid fan-base, much less growing it, over the next decade and beyond. That's rarefied air and 'Firefly' is one of the few shows that live there.
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I think the most likely way to continue Fringe is in the form of a graphic novel

maybe but the way it ended, it doesn't need to continue either.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

Yes, I saw that.. What made that hand print?...or was that just a visual gag?

one last wink at the glyphs?
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

maybe but the way it ended, it doesn't need to continue either.

I didn't say that, and certainly didn't mean to imply it.
post #6322 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

maybe but the way it ended, it doesn't need to continue either.
Agreed, sometimes thigns are better left the way they are. In this case I think there is no need to cary on Fringe as they have done the comic side of things already....I think they wrapped up what they needed to and anything else would just be "filler".....
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

Yes, I saw that.. What made that hand print?...or was that just a visual gag?

Most likely jsut a shoutout to fans much like the envelope....For those that pay attention theyll pick it up, for others it will just make them think what the heck left that ;-)......
post #6323 of 6444
I understand it is referencing the gylphs, but when all those MotW's running around, it made me wonder was there a monster that I was unaware of that actually had 6 fingers? I was struck with the question that maybe they were trying to tell me more with that, than just referencing the glyph.
post #6324 of 6444
from the HOTP thread....

TV Notes
'Fringe' ratings up for finale: How the show survived
By James Hibberd, EW.com's 'Inside TV' Blog - Jan. 19, 2013

The final episode of Fringe delivered the drama’s biggest audience of the season.

Sure, it still wasn’t very much. The two-hour series closer had only 3.2 million viewers and a 1.0 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic, on par with its fourth season finale.

But that’s part of the Fringe story — a show Fox liked enough to keep on the air long past its ratings expiration date. In fact, Fox’s entertainment chairman Kevin Reilly has previous cited Fringe has the network’s make-up gift to the sci-fi community. Granted, one of his predecessors killed Firefly, but Fox let this fan-favorite play out. “Fringe has been a point of pride,” the executive once said. “I share the passion for the show the fans have. I love that Fox, after letting down genre fans over the years [came through with Fringe].”

There were, of course, other considerations for the show’s unusual longevity — a drama series surviving on a major broadcast network with a CW-sized overnight rating is no easy trick. Fox has really struggled on Fridays and needed to have something pulling a stable number, the show gained rather significantly from DVR playback (often gaining more than 60 percent), there’s a valuable relationship at stake with the show’s influential executive producer team (including J.J. Abrams), and the network was able to successfully make renewal deals with studio Warner Bros., which really wanted Fringe to hit that key five-season benchmark that helps sell a show into syndication (Science Channel picked up the rights to Fringe last year).

And creatively, Fringe was just a cool show that fans and critics felt passionately about. Sometimes, that makes a real difference. EW’s Ken Tucker gave last night’s finale a rave, saying Fringe “fulfilled nearly every promise it made to its audience over the course of five seasons. It remained true to its core values: the primacy of family, the sacredness of trust, the joy of a good joke, the exhilaration of intellectual inquiry, and the jolting power of love.”

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/01/19/fringe-series-finale-ratings/
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

We paused on the return address on the back of the envelope. We couldn't make out the street address under "W. Bishop"'s name. But it looked like some kind of hieroglyphic, maybe the Observer language? So what the heck does that mean?
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Looks like a badly scrawled "Hano St." of which there is one in Boston.

Here's a screen capture of that word. It does indeed look like "Hano", but it's got this weird heiroglyphic thing going on above it as well. With all the glyphs and other assorted Easter eggs featured in 'Fringe', could this be one final clue for the obsessed fan?

post #6326 of 6444
Re: Lost comments. Agreed. Tempted to tweet Damon Lindelof and suggest he watch the Fringe finale for the right way to end a show that is grounded in so-called pseudo-science, provide sufficient enough answers to the mythology, and provide decent closure. Although, the William Bell disappearance never came back.

Re: the debate on Windmark. My interpretation of the event was he was in the middle of teleporting and got slammed by the truck. So he got fatally hit and his anatomy was left smeared all over the car, but the rest of him made it through his teleport, which is why we didn't see his body smashed between them.

So as to Walter's 2015 disappearance to avoid the universe paradox, do the reset characters have any knowledge of him or did he just mysteriously disappear in 2015? And if the latter, was there ever an episode that foreshadowed this as a clue? They seem to have no knowledge of the events that led to the reset, so Peter has technically not seen the video. Maybe he will, now that he got the letter. Which would mean Walter just left in 2015. Unless I don't recall something correctly, that's my two cents.

I definitely think a complete re-watch is in order. Yay for Amazon Prime!
post #6327 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

I didn't say that, and certainly didn't mean to imply it.

I know. I was just saying... smile.gif
post #6328 of 6444
...The finale certainly had its share of emotional moments... And to me there's also this scene from season 3, episode 18 ("Bloodline"), when Lincoln confessed his feelings for Olivia. One of the most heartbreaking moments of the entire show! smile.gif ....I'm glad we got the see a bit of both Lee and Olivia from the alternate universe in the finale...
post #6329 of 6444
so how did Peter get the tulip letter that Walter sent in the reset timeline if the timeline was erased?
post #6330 of 6444
Walter was probably able to get one of his new friends to go back in time and drop it in the mail a couple of days earlier.
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