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post #31 of 5551
I made this post in the 850 calibration thread and thought I'd include it here:

I'm not sure if it's just the camera you're using, but the pics above really lack detail and aren't sharp at all. The outlines aren't clean around the transformers and there's on overall blurry and extremely out-of-focus look. There's also lines all over the screen in each pic, this is most apparent in the last transformer pic above which appears to be a close-up. I'm not sure if the light from the room is affecting the pictures, but the pics of the space/earth scene really suffer as well with lack of sharpness, detail, and some ghosting. The off-axis photos obviously show how quickly you can lose PQ with LCD's but I can't imagine that has to do with your camera. Are you zooming in with your camera before taking the pics or something?
post #32 of 5551
guess the model of this tv
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post #33 of 5551
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

awesome review and pics, can you comment more on the amp. In the store i noticed the 850 had a little more artifacting than the 650 but wasn't quite sure if it was due to the source or not.

I played with the 650 in the store and could get it to produce artifacts by putting the amp on medium or high. The same holds true for this set. I barely have been able to adjust to it on low and will probably turn it off completely.
post #34 of 5551
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

guess the model of this tv

And the point is? If you tell me the TV is either a Samsung or a Sony, I'm going to laugh. However, the picture is really out of focus and nothing playing a Blu Ray looks like that.
post #35 of 5551
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

I made this post in the 850 calibration thread and thought I'd include it here:

I'm not sure if it's just the camera you're using, but the pics above really lack detail and aren't sharp at all. The outlines aren't clean around the transformers and there's on overall blurry and extremely out-of-focus look. There's also lines all over the screen in each pic, this is most apparent in the last transformer pic above which appears to be a close-up. I'm not sure if the light from the room is affecting the pictures, but the pics of the space/earth scene really suffer as well with lack of sharpness, detail, and some ghosting. The off-axis photos obviously show how quickly you can lose PQ with LCD's but I can't imagine that has to do with your camera. Are you zooming in with your camera before taking the pics or something?

Here's a copy of my post to your post back in the calibration thread! LOL!

No worries. I don't think you're being critical at all. Believe me, I had a lot of questions especially with regards to Sammy vs Sony. Hopefully I can answer all your questions. I'm on the road right now typing on my iPhone! I was originally planning to buy an XBR4 but found out that they are OOP. I own a 40XBR2. When I discovered the XBR4s were no longer being made, I had to start planning on a different TV.

Ok, that being said, I can assure you that the picture on my 850 is far better than my XBR. the XBR is good - very good - the 850 is noticeably better. The color, black levels, details, etc. are all better. My wife concurs and she could really care less about this stuff.

With regards to the pics I posted, yes they aren't sharp as they could be. I'd blame two things for that. One, I realized that I have 120hz motion set to low. It should be off. That leads into part two for why it probably doesn't look so crisp - I picked a scene in the movie where there is a lot of action and movement. I'll take more pictures of people that aren't running for their lives! LOL! That being said, the frozen pictures weren't razor sharp on the tv when I paused the BR, but when the movie was playing, the image is unbelievably sharp, detailed and defined.

I spent a long time at CC and BB playing with settings and comparing the 650 and a 750 to the Sonys. The Samsungs always won IMHO and, remember, I started out with every intention of buying a Sony.
post #36 of 5551
Has anyone had a LN52A750 and went to the 850? Or has anyone compared the two side by side? I had the 750 since it came out, last night got the 850. My 850 does not look as good as the 750. The colors are not quite right, when watching Directv it seem to be twitch (exactly what 120hz should not look like). Also in between scence and such when the screen is all black there washed out looking spots (flashlight effect I belive its called). Im praying that I just got a hold of a defective unit, Im gonna exchange it tonight and see. But if anyone else is seeing the same thing...I would like to find out before I go through the trouble and just return it and go back to the ol 750.

Any suggestions?
post #37 of 5551
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Originally Posted by SakeDrinker View Post

Has anyone had a LN52A750 and went to the 850? Or has anyone compared the two side by side? I had the 750 since it came out, last night got the 850. My 850 does not look as good as the 750. The colors are not quite right, when watching Directv it seem to be twitch (exactly what 120hz should not look like). Also in between scence and such when the screen is all black there washed out looking spots (flashlight effect I belive its called). Im praying that I just got a hold of a defective unit, Im gonna exchange it tonight and see. But if anyone else is seeing the same thing...I would like to find out before I go through the trouble and just return it and go back to the ol 750.

Any suggestions?

There was a Samsung rep who had said they use a different back light for the 850/860 in order to get it in the slim chassis. I read this on the 950 anticipation thread.
post #38 of 5551
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Originally Posted by j1000 View Post

The infamous halo has become an issue for me since I painted my tv room to a darker shade. That and some good clouding on the right side of the tv that i cant seem to keep my eyes off. Other than that I love the tv, the PQ is amazing, but for the money i think there should be close to fulll satisfaction, and if the 850 fixed the halo and has the same PQ, I think I would enjoy the experience more. I know maybe there will still be some clouding? as I read alot of LCD's have that issue, I am used to the quality on my pioneer I moved to my living room, so maybe that is why i nitpick a little. BB is willing to make the exchange even though I am over the 30 days by 8 days. So I may give it a shot! thx.

I mentioned a month ago in the 750 thread that a halo on the 850 is physically impossible. Also, if halos bother you on a 750 there is an easy fix. I still can't believe this "issue" is still being tossed around. I also did a mini review of the 850 in the 750 thread a while back.
post #39 of 5551
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Here are some (hopefully) better pictures. I can't begin to express how clear, sharp and crisp this picture is when you're standing in front of it. The camera and the cameraman don't even begin to do this justice. The amount of details you can see live are simply amazing. Blows away my XBR2 without a doubt. Any kind of lines in the photos appear only on the photos and aren't remotely visible! I can't stress that enough!











post #40 of 5551
Man those pics look SWEET, haha, I keep posting in both of your threads. The detail and sharpness is much better on this set of pics.

Yep, no halo issues, just like lipcrkr has been saying for a while now. The bezel also doesn't look as wide on the front as the 750. I realize the depth of the set is much thinner as well, but the width from the front looks so too.

I hear the little TOC red light below the Samsung logo can be turned off. It doesn't bother me from your pics, but do you know if it's true that it can be turned off? Sorry for all the questions, you're probably too busy enjoying the new set and great PQ to worry about such minute details at this point.
post #41 of 5551
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

Man those pics look SWEET, haha, I keep posting in both of your threads. The detail and sharpness is much better on this set of pics.

Yep, no halo issues, just like lipcrkr has been saying for a while now. The bezel also doesn't look as wide on the front as the 750. I realize the depth of the set is much thinner as well, but the width from the front looks so too.

I hear the little TOC red light below the Samsung logo can be turned off. It doesn't bother me from your pics, but do you know if it's true that it can be turned off? Sorry for all the questions, you're probably too busy enjoying the new set and great PQ to worry about such minute details at this point.

Don't worry about it. I love geeking out about this kind of stuff! LOL! I was just going to check and see if that light could be turned off. I don't know for sure yet, so I'll have to get back and post in just a bit. I actually haven't had time to really enjoy the set yet! I watched a little Transformers last night and then had a list of errands to run today. Just got back and now I'm about to fire up the grill.

Anyhow, during my prep work for the grill, I was able to finally get through to tech/customer support at Samsung regarding the question of the integrated woofer on this TV. I talked to a young woman who had to put me on hold in order to go research the question. Due to the TV being very new on the market, she didn't have a book with that info handy. She came back and told me the TV has SRS Surround (duh!) but no integrated woofer. She further went on to tell me that none of the Samsungs have an integrated woofer. That's when I lost confidence in her answer. Granted, I didn't want to hear that the TV has no integrated woofer, but when she said none of them do, I began to believe that she was just basically a kid in a cubicle reading info off a website or out of a book. I informed her that both the series 7 and series 9 have the integrated woofer and that I found that information on the Samsung website! She looked up the series 9 and confirmed it and postulated that maybe that was the reason why it cost so much more! Silly wabbit! Yeah. . . that's the ticket! Probably has nothing to do with that LED thingymabobber! So take that news with a grain of salt. However, in looking in my product manual (it's as thick as a Bible), I haven't seen mention of it yet. So, I'm going to stick with my guess that it probably doesn't have the integrated woofer.
post #42 of 5551
Hmmm, thanks for the thorough answer. Yeah, I wouldn't go off what an operator says. Logic says though that if the same woofer they put into the 7 and 9 is any thicker than 1.9" then obviously it wouldn't fit into the 8's cabinet, but who knows, maybe a thinner woofer was available just for the 8?

Regardless, how's the sound on the speakers? I realize they're downfiring, which has never been my favorite feature about Sammy speakers, but just curious how they perform on this set. Or is your set already hooked-up to external stereo speakers?
post #43 of 5551
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The 850 comes with a 12 month (not 18 month) warranty. Also, I have confirmed that you can turn off the ToC red light in the front of the TV. Honestly, I haven't noticed it at all when watching TV. Another feature that can be toggled off is the power on/power off music. The TV makes a little chime sound when you turn it on and off. It's actually kinda neat. I don't really mind it, but it's nice to have the option to turn it off. That's one thing I'm really growing to love about the 850 - the level of adjustments that can be made!
post #44 of 5551
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

Hmmm, thanks for the thorough answer. Yeah, I wouldn't go off what an operator says. Logic says though that if the same woofer they put into the 7 and 9 is any thicker than 1.9" then obviously it wouldn't fit into the 8's cabinet, but who knows, maybe a thinner woofer was available just for the 8?

Regardless, how's the sound on the speakers? I realize they're downfiring, which has never been my favorite feature about Sammy speakers, but just curious how they perform on this set. Or is your set already hooked-up to external stereo speakers?

No, I haven't purchased the HT equipment to compliment the TV. . . yet! With regards to the sound, I have no problems with this TV at all. It sounds rather thin and maybe even somewhat tinny if it is toggled on standard/regular or whatever they call it. However, when you engage the Surround mode, it really makes a huge difference. The sound, given that I believe it is only coming from two 10W speakers, is surprisingly good. This TV is in a fairly large living room and it has no trouble filling the room with sound. Good amount of range, too. Of course, nothing will ever compare to a great surround system, but this TV will do very well without it, too.

One thing I did enjoy last night was not having to grab for the remote to regulate the sound level during my movie. The steady sound feature or whatever it is called actually works on this unit. That made my wife and I quite happy last night because we usually have to be vigilant about that when we watch TV at night, lest we wake up our son.
post #45 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

... So, I'm going to stick with my guess that it probably doesn't have the integrated woofer.

Thanks for checking, but your earlier answer that the sound is pretty good is all I needed to hear. I was worried that, without additional woofers, the sound might be bad. FYI, there are two ~4" round speakers on the back of the 750. Since the grills on the back of the 850 are rectangular and assorted sizes (probably for cooling), I suspected that the PDF specs were wrong. Thanks again.
post #46 of 5551
Maybe it was the 950 that comes with an 18 month warranty. Thanks for all the answers, will let you go work on that grill now. I'm searching for some specs on the 850 online re: the woofer issue. Sammy's site doesn't list it for the 850, but it also doesn't list it for the 750 or 950 either under their "Audio" sections, so I'll keep looking. Like I mentioned though from the 750 owners thread, I for sure remember their owners saying that you have to go into the actual settings to turn the woofer on, it's not automatically defaulted to on.
post #47 of 5551
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Well, I really wish I wouldn't have looked, but I just found one stuck white pixel. It's not even noticeable while watching regular content. I only saw it when I got extremely close to the TV with a totally black screen paused on a DVD. So. . . the moral of this story is be careful what you are looking for. . . you just might find it!

I don't think I'll bother to try to exchange it because it is completely unnoticeable from any viewing distance. Unless, of course, I choose to stand right in front of the TV. Like I'd said before, all LCD panels have some sort of issue. Part of the fun of LCD ownership. . . stuck pixels! My 40XBR2 had a stuck red pixel, but after swapping out five others and finally getting one that was for all intents and purposes free of clouds, I decided to overlook it. It, too, wasn't noticeable unless I was sitting a few feet in front of the TV.
post #48 of 5551
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

Like I mentioned though from the 750 owners thread, I for sure remember their owners saying that you have to go into the actual settings to turn the woofer on, it's not automatically defaulted to on.

I just pulled up Samsung's 2-page PDF specs for the 750, 850, and 950, and it says Integrated Woofer under Down Firing Speakers in column 2, page 2. Which is why I was asking.

I also pulled up the 750, 850, and 950 manuals and none of them mention woofer controls in the Menu's Sound section. However, in the manual's specs page, near the back, the 750 and 950 both mention subwoofer and the 850 doesn't.

So it looks like the copy and paste guy didn't proof the specs sheet. But, since the sound is reported to be pretty good anyway, I'm happy.
post #49 of 5551
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

I just pulled up Samsung's 2-page PDF specs for the 750, 850, and 950, and it says Integrated Woofer under Down Firing Speakers in column 2, page 2. Which is why I was asking.

I also pulled up the 750, 850, and 950 manuals and none of them mention woofer controls in the Menu's Sound section. However, in the manual's specs page, near the back, the 750 and 950 both mention subwoofer and the 850 doesn't.

So it looks like the copy and paste guy didn't proof the specs sheet. But, since the sound is reported to be pretty good anyway, I'm happy.

Nice work, though I'm not sure exactly if this means the 850 has it or not. The PDF specs could be wrong vs. what the manuals say. I'd probably lean towards the manual being right before the PDF file, so I'm going to assume the 850 doesn't have it. But until someone can figure it out in their settings on the 850 I guess we won't know for sure. It may take a 750 owner instructing an 850 owner where to find it in their on-screen settings, and of course at that point if the 850 owner can't find it there, then it doesn't have it. Glad to hear the speakers with surround turned on provide some quality sound, though I'd personally love the woofer for sure.
post #50 of 5551
great second set of pics Irunnoft. Was the set in Dynamic when you took then, or did you change the settings?
post #51 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

And the point is? If you tell me the TV is either a Samsung or a Sony, I'm going to laugh. However, the picture is really out of focus and nothing playing a Blu Ray looks like that.

thats because my hand was shaking
post #52 of 5551
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

in the manual's specs page, near the back, the 750 and 950 both mention subwoofer and the 850 doesn't.

Where can you find the manual's specs page? I see the two page PDF specs file on each model's page from the Samsung site (where each model says it has an integrated woofer), but I can't find a link to the manual for each model. Thanks.
post #53 of 5551
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

thats because my hand was shaking

What were you doing when you took that picture!!!!
post #54 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Isar View Post

great second set of pics Irunnoft. Was the set in Dynamic when you took then, or did you change the settings?

To be honest, I don't know. It may have been because I was messing around with the settings. Yep. Just took a quick look. I wanted to try some in-focus pics at a default setting and then try a calibrated setting. I'll take some comparison pics using a calibrated setting later.
post #55 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

What were you doing when you took that picture!!!!

lol
post #56 of 5551
heres a better one
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post #57 of 5551
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

I played with the 650 in the store and could get it to produce artifacts by putting the amp on medium or high. The same holds true for this set. I barely have been able to adjust to it on low and will probably turn it off completely.

Is it that it's too unnatural for you, even on low? Or is the artifacting still noticable on low?

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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

Maybe it was the 950 that comes with an 18 month warranty.

The 860 and 950 have an 18 month warranty. The 850 is 12 months.
post #58 of 5551
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

heres a better one

Ok, so now I'm compelled to take a picture of a Blu Ray to see if I can find one you don't have!
post #59 of 5551
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

Is it that it's too unnatural for you, even on low? Or is the artifacting still noticable on low?



The 860 and 950 have an 18 month warranty. The 850 is 12 months.

I checked on low and medium for artifacts and it only seems to be noticeable on high. There are not any artifacts on low. It just seems like the camera is on a rail - but only just slightly. I can get used to it, though. I just don't think it's necessary because I've not noticed any blur without it on.
post #60 of 5551
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Ok, and now I've found one blue stuck pixel. So that's two on this tv. Again, neither one is noticeable at all when watching the TV. The PS3 black screen can be your enemy! Beware!

Any ideas if these can actually be "unstuck" or is this more of a permanent thing? I've heard about gently rubbing the screen, but that never worked on my XBR's stuck pixel.

Would you guys return it for two pixels? After the XBR ordeal, I don't want to get into that game again. Another consideration for me is the extreme goof the store did with regards to giving me the 850 when I ordered and paid for a 650. If I return it, I'll not be bringing back and 850, but rather the 650. I don't know if I could go "back" to that, as it were. I really like the thin dimensions on this set and the ToC bezel is awesome.

Maybe I can save up the extra money towards the end of the month, return it, give the store the chance to make their corrections, if they want to and either swap it for another 850 free (depending on how the store treats this issue) or pony up the difference and get another new 850 anyways.

After watching more of the Transformers Blu Ray, I am floored by the picture. Even after telling my somewhat OCD wife about the pixel, she said A) don't tell me about those things B) I don't care because this picture is ridiculous!
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