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post #5371 of 5526
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Originally Posted by DC_MTP View Post
well looks like i wasn't able to get any feed back from the forum in time so i rejected the offer at the moment. see email reply below.

I am not to happy with that offer. I took a look at the LN55C650 and in terms of specs it seems to be up to par with my current model but one of my buying points of my LNA850 was its' depth of 1.9" inches. The model being offered is 3.4" and looks too bulky.

what are my other options? can I get a credit towards another TV? If so, what is the value of my current TV? Will i be able to make a new purchase elsewhere (ie. best buy, sears) - their prices are always hundreds of dollars cheaper than buying directly from samsung website.
Its about an inch and a half thicker, but its three inches larger.
post #5372 of 5526
Here is an update regarding my exchange.. they estimated a refund of $1624.35 for my current LN52A850 if i decide to go that route.( they said it depended on when i brought it and how long i had it for)

So I can get a check for that amount and put it towards a nicer LED or possibly 3D or go with the LN55C650...any recommendations? what would you do if you were in my shoes?

thanks guys for the advise.
post #5373 of 5526
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Originally Posted by DC_MTP View Post

Here is an update regarding my exchange.. they estimated a refund of $1624.35 for my current LN52A850 if i decide to go that route.( they said it depended on when i brought it and how long i had it for)

So I can get a check for that amount and put it towards a nicer LED or possibly 3D or go with the LN55C650...any recommendations? what would you do if you were in my shoes?

thanks guys for the advise.

I don't like the LED unless its the UNXXB8500, 3D is in its infancy and needs costly additional accessories.

I'd take the LN55650 despite its short-commings, its the only Samsung that will give you Picture Quality similar to the LN52A850.
post #5374 of 5526
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Originally Posted by DC_MTP View Post

Here is an update regarding my exchange..

DC_MTP, just curious how you came to receive the offer from Samsung to make the exchange for your A850. Did you have a warranty and call them for service, or were you without a warranty and just called for service?
post #5375 of 5526
Hello dfp,

I own LN52-A860 and I tried out your calibration setting after searching for the perfect one. Everything was good and I was able to make the changes. I apologize if I am being ignorant about it, but it seems that for me film mode got grayed out and HDMI Black Label did not get grayed out, and just scan under Size got grayed out as well. I am not sure why it is different from yours.

Then, I presumed that maybe we have different firmware? If you don't mind, which firmware are you using? If you are using 1003, could you please guide to where I could download the firmware?

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

PiratesCove, I was able to attach the graphs from the calibration, but needed to do it in a new post. Click on a graph repeatedly, after it comes up, to be able to enlarge it.

Calibrated settings for LN52-A860 and associated "after" charts

Movie mode
Backlight......3
Contrast......78
Brightness.. 44
Sharpness.. 20
Color...........52
Tint.......... G50/R50

Detailed Settings
Black Adjust..........Off
Dynamic Contrast...Off
Gamma................0
Color Space..........Custom
White Balance
Flesh tone............0
Edge Enhancement.Off
xvYCC..................Off

Color Space
.................R..... G...... B
Red........... 25.... 0..... 0
Green ........35....47.... 0
Blue........... 7..... 0.... 36
Yellow........46.... 47.... 0
Cyan..........37....46.... 42
Magenta.....30.... 0.... 38

White Balance
R-offset..... 28
G-offset.....25
B-offset..... 29
R-gain........26
G-gain........25
B-gain........17

Picture Options
Color Tone..........Warm2
Size...................16:9 (TV); (Just Scan -Blu Ray)
Digital NR............Off
DNIe..................Off (greyed out)
HDMI Black Level..Normal (greyed out)
Film Mode...........Auto
Blue Only Mode....Off
AMP 120Hz..........Low (TV); (Off - Blu ray)
post #5376 of 5526
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Originally Posted by Aktionze View Post

Hello dfp,

I own LN52-A860 and I tried out your calibration setting after searching for the perfect one. Everything was good and I was able to make the changes. I apologize if I am being ignorant about it, but it seems that for me film mode got grayed out and HDMI Black Label did not get grayed out, and just scan under Size got grayed out as well. I am not sure why it is different from yours.

Then, I presumed that maybe we have different firmware? If you don't mind, which firmware are you using? If you are using 1003, could you please guide to where I could download the firmware?

Thank you.

Aktionze, on my set, HDMI:normal (greyed out) and Film Mode: Auto have been set that way since the day I got my set, over 2 years ago. Size:16:9 (as well as Just Scan,etc.) has always been selectable with none of the sizes greyed out. The calibration we did a few months ago didn't touch any of these setting, but focused on Color Space and White Balance.

My firmware is 1002 which is judged to be fairly similar to 1003. I think Pirates Cove has 1003 available. Hopefully when he reads this he can make it available for you. But I don't think your questions involve the firmware.

The 3 settings in question are covered in pages 33-36 of the manual, but not explained well. To me the only concern would be inability to select them (greyed out). They seem to have something to do with the type of connection and the source.

I'm using HDMI from a comcast HDDVR to a Denon receiver to the TV. Also, HDMI from a samsung blu ray to the receiver. Are you connected to a PC? or, Are you using composite (AV or yellow cable) or S-Video?

The manual says Just Scan is available only for HDMI, Component, or internal DTV signals of the 720p, 1080i/1080p variety. Lesser signal connections, like AV don't send the full complement of pixels that Just Scan requires. See p33/34, especially the input source table in the middle of p34.

HDMI Black level greyed out for me, I've read, is due to the Comcast cablebox. I've never checked the setting when I'm running a blu ray.

Film mode, greyed out for you, is mentioned on p 36, and seems to be available for all inputs except PC. Also, only up to 1080i, since it has to do with de-interlacing. So, possibly when I/we run a blu ray at 24fps, or a DVD progressive, it's greyed out... I've never checked.

Aktionze, I think the truth is swirling around in those thoughts somehow. Let me know what you're running, and how you're connected, and we can figure it out together. Also, I'll try to pop a blu ray in and check my settings then. Pirates Cove, please jump in if you know the answers.
post #5377 of 5526
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

Aktionze, on my set, HDMI:normal (greyed out) and Film Mode: Auto have been set that way since the day I got my set, over 2 years ago. Size:16:9 (as well as Just Scan,etc.) has always been selectable with none of the sizes greyed out. The calibration we did a few months ago didn't touch any of these setting, but focused on Color Space and White Balance.

My firmware is 1002 which is judged to be fairly similar to 1003. I think Pirates Cove has 1003 available. Hopefully when he reads this he can make it available for you. But I don't think your questions involve the firmware.

The 3 settings in question are covered in pages 33-36 of the manual, but not explained well. To me the only concern would be inability to select them (greyed out). They seem to have something to do with the type of connection and the source.

I'm using HDMI from a comcast HDDVR to a Denon receiver to the TV. Also, HDMI from a samsung blu ray to the receiver. Are you connected to a PC? or, Are you using composite (AV or yellow cable) or S-Video?

The manual says Just Scan is available only for HDMI, Component, or internal DTV signals of the 720p, 1080i/1080p variety. Lesser signal connections, like AV don't send the full complement of pixels that Just Scan requires. See p33/34, especially the input source table in the middle of p34.

HDMI Black level greyed out for me, I've read, is due to the Comcast cablebox. I've never checked the setting when I'm running a blu ray.

Film mode, greyed out for you, is mentioned on p 36, and seems to be available for all inputs except PC. Also, only up to 1080i, since it has to do with de-interlacing. So, possibly when I/we run a blu ray at 24fps, or a DVD progressive, it's greyed out... I've never checked.

Aktionze, I think the truth is swirling around in those thoughts somehow. Let me know what you're running, and how you're connected, and we can figure it out together. Also, I'll try to pop a blu ray in and check my settings then. Pirates Cove, please jump in if you know the answers.

I cannot help but to say that it gives me chill that there is someone out there trying to help other people like me. Thank you so much for thorough answers. I really appreciate your help and support.

As for now, I cannot give you any details about what I am running because I am not running anything(due to moving to a new place and contemplating about a cable or dish and I do not have any inputs yet) I think I can tell you more details after I get a TV service.

I have purchased the TV about a year ago and I have been using it for nothing but TV channels. And, I began to think that I am not using my A860 at its fullest potential. Therefore, I started searching and now that I found the right calibration despite of my questions above. I would like to go step by step since I am not too familiar with TV techs. If dfp or anyone could help, I could become happier owner of A860.

I think that settings problem has to be put aside until I get a service from cable or dish company. However,

1. Is your (dfp's) setting the best option right now for LN52A860? Or do you have any recommendations to try out such as I found PirateCove's and Zerog6's or other settings?

2. Is there something I could do for "clouding"? it seems that there is cloud like lighting at the edges of the TV

3. I would like to find some good settings for the TV audio since I am relying on that for watching TV.
post #5378 of 5526
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

DC_MTP, just curious how you came to receive the offer from Samsung to make the exchange for your A850. Did you have a warranty and call them for service, or were you without a warranty and just called for service?

I started with the original manufacture 12 month parts and labor plus 3 extra months extension buy samsung for registering my TV online..brings me to a total of 15 months of coverage and somewhere between my 12 or 15 month I was contacted by Samsung (since i registered my set with them online) with an offer to extend coverage for 1 year for $111 or 3 years for #$321.......I took the 3 year coverage.
post #5379 of 5526
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Originally Posted by Aktionze View Post

I cannot help but to say that it gives me chill that there is someone out there trying to help other people like me. Thank you so much for thorough answers. I really appreciate your help and support.

As for now, I cannot give you any details about what I am running because I am not running anything(due to moving to a new place and contemplating about a cable or dish and I do not have any inputs yet) I think I can tell you more details after I get a TV service.

I have purchased the TV about a year ago and I have been using it for nothing but TV channels. And, I began to think that I am not using my A860 at its fullest potential. Therefore, I started searching and now that I found the right calibration despite of my questions above. I would like to go step by step since I am not too familiar with TV techs. If dfp or anyone could help, I could become happier owner of A860.

I think that settings problem has to be put aside until I get a service from cable or dish company. However,

1. Is your (dfp's) setting the best option right now for LN52A860? Or do you have any recommendations to try out such as I found PirateCove's and Zerog6's or other settings?

2. Is there something I could do for "clouding"? it seems that there is cloud like lighting at the edges of the TV

3. I would like to find some good settings for the TV audio since I am relying on that for watching TV.

Fw 1003 is (hopefully still) avaliable hunderds of post back. Try around June 2009, that's when I got it.

A warning though; Fw 1003 may cause infa-red remote control interference.

My Current Settings are in the Calibration Thread- it make the HDTV pop, yet looks naturalistic.

Fw 1003 has an Energy Setting: Auto option that eliminates clouding/flashlights in dark scenes, yet dims brightness and contrast.

Audio wise its better to get a Home Theater Set-up.
post #5380 of 5526
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Originally Posted by DC_MTP View Post

I started with the original manufacture 12 month parts and labor plus 3 extra months extension buy samsung for registering my TV online..brings me to a total of 15 months of coverage and somewhere between my 12 or 15 month I was contacted by Samsung (since i registered my set with them online) with an offer to extend coverage for 1 year for $111 or 3 years for #$321.......I took the 3 year coverage.

I have a similar coverage, but through Best Buy.
post #5381 of 5526
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Originally Posted by Aktionze View Post

I cannot help but to say that it gives me chill that there is someone out there trying to help other people like me. Thank you so much for thorough answers. I really appreciate your help and support.

As for now, I cannot give you any details about what I am running because I am not running anything(due to moving to a new place and contemplating about a cable or dish and I do not have any inputs yet) I think I can tell you more details after I get a TV service.

I have purchased the TV about a year ago and I have been using it for nothing but TV channels. And, I began to think that I am not using my A860 at its fullest potential. Therefore, I started searching and now that I found the right calibration despite of my questions above. I would like to go step by step since I am not too familiar with TV techs. If dfp or anyone could help, I could become happier owner of A860.

I think that settings problem has to be put aside until I get a service from cable or dish company. However,

1. Is your (dfp's) setting the best option right now for LN52A860? Or do you have any recommendations to try out such as I found PirateCove's and Zerog6's or other settings?

2. Is there something I could do for "clouding"? it seems that there is cloud like lighting at the edges of the TV

3. I would like to find some good settings for the TV audio since I am relying on that for watching TV.

Glad to help. I do it as kind of repayment for all the help I've received from members of the forum.

1. For the first 2 years, I used settings based on Zerog6's with a few personal changes. Then this summer, when we calibrated it using a meter and computer program, my friend who did it admitted we made only modest improvements, because it was in pretty good shape when we started. But all TVs are different, so compare Zerog6s, mine, and Pirates Cove's for similarities and start out with them. Then try out the areas where we differ, keeping track of what you changed so you can undo something you end up not liking.

2. Pirates Cove gave some suggestions for clouding. I just ignore clouding.

3. I think there are some posts in this thread in Oct/Nov 2008 regarding audio settings using the equalizer. I ended up getting a receiver and 6 speakers after that, so have forgotten all of what I once knew.

PS: Your original 3 questions are influenced by the fact that you're input is TV signals. If they're coming in via AV (red/white/yellow) connections, that probably answers why some of those settings are greyed out.
post #5382 of 5526
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Originally Posted by DC_MTP View Post

very tempting - Sears has the UN55C9000LED for $3499.99 very curious as to how much more lower it will go on black Friday.. anyways I think i'll just take PiratesCove & DFP advise and take the offer from Samsung (LN55650) - that should hold me down for another 2 to 3 years until they perfect LED/3D plus anyways that is the same amount of time left on my extended warranty contract just in case i have any issues with the replacement LN55C650 ;-)

Once again thanks for all the help guys, Great forum!

I think it's a good decision. Let us know how it goes.
post #5383 of 5526
Current FW for the 850?
post #5384 of 5526
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

Current FW for the 850?

Don't know; I had 1005 and switched to 1003.
post #5385 of 5526
Any links?
post #5386 of 5526
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

Current FW for the 850?

Very happy with the 1002 that came with mine. Don't know of any links.
post #5387 of 5526
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Originally Posted by etp View Post

Any links?

I don't know if they still work, but its should be back around June-July of 2009 in this thread.

That's when I downloaded it.
post #5388 of 5526
I bought an LNT-5271 a few years back that developed vertical lines of dead pixels. Samsung replaced it with an LN-52A850 in '09. Now this set has developed the same vertical lines of dead pixels. The great thing is that the replacement set only came with a 90 day warranty with no option of extending it because it was a replacement so I am SOL.

Can Samsung build a TV that lasts more than 2 years?
post #5389 of 5526
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Originally Posted by d4a2n0k View Post

I bought an LNT-5271 a few years back that developed vertical lines of dead pixels. Samsung replaced it with an LN-52A850 in '09. Now this set has developed the same vertical lines of dead pixels. The great thing is that the replacement set only came with a 90 day warranty with no option of extending it because it was a replacement so I am SOL.

Can Samsung build a TV that lasts more than 2 years?

Sorry to hear that, My A850 was built January 2009-assembled in Mexico.

I've had its since June 2009 and other than Infa-Red interference that Samsung sent a tech to fix, the HDTV's been A.O.K..
post #5390 of 5526
Its Strange the value of this HDTV has gone up.

Amazon list a new LN52A850 for $2500 and the LN46A850 is the same price.
post #5391 of 5526
My LN52A850 has a static pop noise coming from the left speaker, sometimes. Let me explain and hopefully someone here can help me out or point me in the right direction. I have a PS3 connected to a Denon 1909 receiver then to the LN52A850 all using HDMI. When I watch a Blu-Ray movie I sometimes (more often now) get a static popping type noise coming from my left speaker on the LCD TV. This noise only happens when watching Blu-Ray movies, doesn't happen when watching regular DVD's. I also have a Comcast DVR connected to the 1909 using HDMI and don't get the noise. When I switch the inputs on the 1909 there is sometimes a loud pop out of the LCD speakers.

I have tried different HDMI cables, different HDMI ports on the 1909 and different HDMI ports on the LN52A850 but the noise is still there. I turned off the Anynet on the LCD and that didn't help. The only way the noise goes away is if I switch the speakers to external, mute the LCD or power cycle the receiver. Let me say the only reason I bought the Denon 1909 was because it had HDMI pass through, allowing me to watch TV using the LCD speakers. This is the reason I can't switch the speakers to external permanently.

Here is a youtube video of the noise
post #5392 of 5526
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Originally Posted by klipsch16 View Post
My LN52A850 has a static pop noise coming from the left speaker, sometimes. ... When I switch the inputs on the 1909 there is sometimes a loud pop out of the LCD speakers. ...
Our setup is nearly identical. I have a Comcast DHC3416 HDDVR and Samsung BD-P3600 blu ray connected via HDMI to a Denon 1909 and on to a Samsung LN52A860 (the blue bezel) via HDMI. Bought the Denon for the HDMI pass thru; we use the TV speakers for casual TV watching, news, weather, sometimes sports, and whenever my wife watches alone. The Denon gets turned on every night for about 3 hours when we watch dramas recorded on the DVR, or an occasional blu ray. Anynet is off in the blu ray player.

I get one mild static pop from the speakers about once a month when TV and DVR are on and I either turn on the Denon or switch inputs on it from DVR to the blu ray. I will pay attention and let you know which... it's so rare, I can't remember which. But never when watching DVR or blu ray or when the Denon is off.

My guess is it's your PS3. And you seem to have narrowed it down to PS3 blu ray watching. Maybe you could borrow from a friend or rent (maybe from Blockbuster or Best Buy for a few days) a straight blu ray player and connect it instead of your PS3 and see what happens with blu rays. If that works OK, try another PS3. Also, check AVS PS3 and Denon threads and see if others have the problem. Also, check for PS3 firmware updates which might solve the problem. Since we have nearly the same setup (except for blu ray player), I think the TV and receiver are victims here, not the culprit.

I'll pay close attention this weekend when I rent a blu ray or two to observe what I'm doing if/when a pop occurs. Keep in touch. Good luck.
post #5393 of 5526
Thanks for the info in your reply. I too thought it was the PS3 so I bought another. I had the old original PS3 and bought a new PS3 slim and problem still exists with the latest firmware. I had my Denon checked out as well and they found nothing wrong with it. I am getting close to the end of my warranty in April so I would like to find the culprit before then.

I never get any noise when Denon is in standby only when on and watching a Blu-Ray from the PS3. My next test was to use a Blu-Ray player that is not a PS3 and then a different LCD TV. The latter could be more difficult to test.

I have the Comcast DCX-3400 and when I switch the inputs on the Denon from DVR to PS3 or vice versa I get the pop noise.

I've posted on the Denon 1909 official thread and no solutions.
post #5394 of 5526
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Originally Posted by klipsch16 View Post

...I never get any noise when Denon is in standby only when on and watching a Blu-Ray from the PS3. My next test was to use a Blu-Ray player that is not a PS3 and then a different LCD TV. ...

1. It's far-fetched, but try disconnecting the Comcast HDMI cable at the Denon and just running the PS3 thru the Denon for a test? It's easy and won't cost anything.

2. If you just bought the new PS3, why not return it for a straight blu ray player (not PS3) and, if that works, use your original PS3 for gaming. If it's from Best Buy, they are very good on returns. Or borrow one from a friend to test.

3. Do you let the Denon do the DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD decoding? I do. If the new PS3 can pass those codecs, (I think earlier PS3s decoded them) try letting the Denon do it. Also, do you have any sound effects (concert hall, etc.) turned on in the Denon? I don't. I'm pretty weak on the Denon, but if you're into it, look into some of your settings and I'll check mine if you let me know which ones could be in play.

3. I follow a number of threads and many folks have posted that they weren't able to match the fabulous picture on the A850 with newer models. Also, the A850 viewing angle is documented to be better than on all new models. Other than to get a larger screen, I'd be reluctant to let go of the A850.

4. As a last resort, I would consider calling for repair... Samsung probably doesn't have any spare speakers and might offer you an upgrade. Or there might be some known problem they can fix easily.
post #5395 of 5526
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

1. It's far-fetched, but try disconnecting the Comcast HDMI cable at the Denon and just running the PS3 thru the Denon for a test? It's easy and won't cost anything.

I've tried with everything else disconnected from the Denon. I even reset the microprocessor, this worked a couple times but I couldn't determine if this did anything because the static noise isn't consistent. Only happens some times but more now than before.

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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

why not return it for a straight blu ray player (not PS3) and, if that works, use your original PS3 for gaming.

I bought the new slim model to verify it wasn't my PS3 and I liked that the Denon does the decoding and shows the blue HD light on it.

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3. Do you let the Denon do the DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD decoding?

Yes I let the Denon do the decoding, but have tried it both ways.

Getting rid of my A850 is not option...heh..... Thanks for providing input, its turned wheels in my head to try other tests.
post #5396 of 5526
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Originally Posted by klipsch16 View Post

... Getting rid of my A850 is not option...heh..... Thanks for providing input, its turned wheels in my head to try other tests.

I'm not sure if you mean getting rid of the A850 is not an option, or if the "heh" means it is. But I'll toss out a few more ideas.

1. Don't forget, you still haven't tried a non-PS3 blu ray player. That test is crying to be done. Especially if the answer to 2 below is "the problem was always there with the PS3 when I connected it to the Denon.

2. Did the original PS3 play blu rays without the speaker problem for a long time, or was it always there? (I know you said it's getting worse.)

3. Crazy, but what about connecting the PS3 directly to the TV (via HDMI) for a test.

4. My equipment cabinet runs a little warm and, in the summer, the TV will black out for a few seconds, until I open up a nearby AC vent. Is your equipment well ventilated?

Please feel free to bounce ideas off me, I have the time and love this stuff. I'm glad the Forum allows us to get together to talk about it. I also spent 20 years debugging custom hardware, firmware, and operating system software, and am glad to see you're willing to try a few things. Finally, I love our A860 so much I'd hate to see anyone get rid of theirs.
post #5397 of 5526
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post
I'm not sure if you mean getting rid of the A850 is not an option, or if the "heh" means it is.
Getting rid of it is not an option with the picture quality we get.

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Did the original PS3 play blu rays without the speaker problem for a long time, or was it always there?
It's always been this way, even with the old PS3. The static noise would happen about half the time, now it happens 3/4 of the time.

I am planning testing with a stand alone Blu-Ray player this weekend. I will also try the PS3 straight to the TV.

Equipment is well ventilated and noise happens when first turning everything on, but I always leave my receiver in standby. Maybe the heat given off from being in standby is a problem. Another test I will have to try. Turn off everything and after it all cools down start it up and test.
post #5398 of 5526
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Originally Posted by klipsch16 View Post
... It's always been this way, even with the old PS3. The static noise would happen about half the time, now it happens 3/4 of the time.

I am planning testing with a stand alone Blu-Ray player this weekend. I will also try the PS3 straight to the TV.

Equipment is well ventilated and noise happens when first turning everything on, but I always leave my receiver in standby. Maybe the heat given off from being in standby is a problem. Another test I will have to try. Turn off everything and after it all cools down start it up and test.
Since it's always been there, it might really be the PS3-blu-ray/Denon/Samsung interaction. Good luck with the blu ray player.

My Denon is always in standby, too, for the HDMI pass thru. If your equipment is well ventilated, you're probably OK on that end, but worth a test.
post #5399 of 5526
great tv very similar to mine!
post #5400 of 5526
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Originally Posted by klipsch16 View Post

... I am planning testing with a stand alone Blu-Ray player this weekend. I will also try the PS3 straight to the TV. ...

Here are my settings so you can compare:
TV:
Anynet : ON
(Anynet) Auto Turnoff : ON
Sound: Select Speaker: TV Speaker
______
Samsung blu ray
Anynet: OFF
________
Denon (manual p. 32)
HDMI Audio Out: AMP
HDMI Control: ON
Power Off Control: ON
__________

Make sure you turn Anynet (or "HDMI CEC" on other manufacturer's blu ray) Off. Before I did that, the TV would default to the "TV" Source when everything was shut down. (PS: After changing Anynet or HDMI settings, turn off all devices, then back on to make them take effect.)

I turn on the TV and HDDVR with the Comcast All On button. Later, when I turn them off with it, they go off, and the Denon goes back to standby (if it had been turned on separately).

I turn on and control the Denon with its remote after the TV and DVR are up and running. Good luck. Let me know what happens.
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