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post #151 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

I had been planning on eventually picking up The Descent, but my hand was forced today when I saw a copy in a BV case with the studio number printed on the top sticker. Sure enough, AVC copy.

I just tested it in the PS3, and I was able to correctly switch between Rated, Unrated, and PiP modes. The pop-up menu worked fine in the PiP encode, and enabled me to return to the main menu and pick a different option.

The important question is how does it look
post #152 of 793
I just got my copy today from amazon.com.Im trying to find out what version it is i have.I want the avc,but chances are its the mpeg version.
post #153 of 793
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

The important question is how does it look

Well it looks good. But I thought that had been already decided with all the screenshots in this thread. I don't own the MPEG-2 version so I can't make a direct comparison, but the AVC one certainly looks nice on my screen.
post #154 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

Well it looks good. But I thought that had been already decided with all the screenshots in this thread. I don't own the MPEG-2 version so I can't make a direct comparison, but the AVC one certainly looks nice on my screen.

Several folks were saying the MPEG2 version looked good too but I am anxious to compare the two. I should have my AVC copy later this week.
post #155 of 793
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Originally Posted by General Kenobi View Post

Several folks were saying the MPEG2 version looked good too but I am anxious to compare the two. I should have my AVC copy later this week.

where are you getting it from?
post #156 of 793
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Originally Posted by take-2 View Post

where are you getting it from?

Did you get the AVC?
post #157 of 793
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Thanks for the confirmation, bunkaroo. Especially that your MPEG-2 copy in the BV case DIDN'T have the number.

FoxyMulder, that sucks. I can still try to pick up a copy for you if you want. Any chance you checked the case/sticker details?

Interestingly, Amazon.ca has 2 listings for The Descent on Blu-ray:
"Import" dated 2006-12-26
and
A cheaper alternative dated 2007-01-09

Probably meaningless as I see they've done this for other BDs like Crank, but the dates don't differ for that one...

No i was so annoyed i put it back in the case and sent it straight back.

Do you know of any sites online specifically selling the AVC edition ?
post #158 of 793
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Originally Posted by take-2 View Post

where are you getting it from?

msgohan was kind enough to sell me his copy
post #159 of 793
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

Do you know of any sites online specifically selling the AVC edition ?

I think amazon.ca carries the AVC version but msgohan needs to reconfirm the same.

AUS version will be released on Dec'2008.
post #160 of 793
I have the AVC version checked on my PS3. Only thing is I am not sure if I bought it at release date or later on here in Canada.
post #161 of 793
Thread Starter 
I can't confirm or deny what Amazon.ca has. I have ordered yet another copy from them, but as part of an order for the Canadian-exclusive Slither which is showing as "1 to 3 weeks" availability, so it may be a while before I see what they've sent me.

Also picked up a Lionsgate copy of "Crash" in BV case with unnumbered sticker. Future Shop also had a BV w/number. This disc was authored 2007-04-14 while it was originally released 2006-06-27. Encode specs match Benes' but the disc size is slightly different. Another AACS difference seemingly.

One thing I just noticed is that Maple Pictures has begun printing their own artwork for Lionsgate's Canadian releases now. Still not bilingual, amazingly enough, but I saw T2, Total Recall, and Crank without the swooshes on the front cover and the covers were matte instead of the shiny silver Lionsgate backing. The "Maple" logo was underneath the BD logo on the spine instead of "Lionsgate", and some of them featured the Canadian home video rating logo actually printed on the cover art instead of the usual sticker applied to the acetate.

They're denoted by ".MAP" after the catalog number on the top sticker, and the back cover specifically states "Distributed in Canada by MAPLE PICTURES."

http://www.maplepictures.com/home_vi...y_planner.aspx

I got Universal Soldier from Amazon.ca.

USA vs Canada


All of the security stickers actually came off perfectly! No insert advertising anything, and the disc art actually says both "Maple" and "Lionsgate" on either side of the Blu-ray logo.
post #162 of 793
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

Did you get the AVC?

dont know,but if i were a betting man,i would say that i have the mpeg2 version
post #163 of 793
Gave the AVC copy a full look, and it looked good. Some authoring oddities in regards to the audio, though. The box and menu list Linear PCM 6.1, but the PS3 displays it as Linear PCM 7.1. I don't have a 7.1 system, so I can't verify what's actually coming out.

The other oddity is that the movie starts playing with the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack by default, even though the main menu clearly shows the PCM option as being highlighted. You can either change to it via the pop-up menu once the movie has started (the pop-up menu correctly identifies the Dolby Digital track as playing when you first start), or on the main menu you can actually select the DD track and then "switch back" to the PCM.
post #164 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

Gave the AVC copy a full look, and it looked good. Some authoring oddities in regards to the audio, though. The box and menu list Linear PCM 6.1, but the PS3 displays it as Linear PCM 7.1. I don't have a 7.1 system, so I can't verify what's actually coming out.

The other oddity is that the movie starts playing with the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack by default, even though the main menu clearly shows the PCM option as being highlighted. You can either change to it via the pop-up menu once the movie has started (the pop-up menu correctly identifies the Dolby Digital track as playing when you first start), or on the main menu you can actually select the DD track and then "switch back" to the PCM.

Thanks for the info, I just received my copy from msgohan today and hope to do some watching after Tropic Thunder tonight. I'd like to watch a few sections of each to see what kind of differences I can see. Will report back after.
post #165 of 793
Ok, I didn't watch it all the way through but I watched the same scenes on each copy back to back several times and I thought the difference was easily discernable. More grain and greater level of detail for sure in the AVC copy. Watching "The end of the road" scene was probably one of the best examples where you could really make out the higher level of facial detail and see how much more the light reflected off Sarah's eyes and the blood on her face, same thing with Juno in this scene... noticeable improvement in facial detail.

I need to go back and watch The Thing like this.
post #166 of 793
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My copy came from Amazon.ca today. MPEG-2 in ES case with unnumbered catalog sticker.
post #167 of 793
still no sure way to get an AVC copy, huh? Where are all these grain haters now?! I want an AVC copy.
post #168 of 793
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

still no sure way to get an AVC copy, huh? Where are all these grain haters now?! I want an AVC copy.

I've yet to hear anyone disprove the "numbers on the top sticker" theory. If the copy of The Descent has the catalogue number on the top security sticker (something like A#######), then it's most likely the AVC copy. All reports of MPEG-2 copies have had security stickers that just say the title.
post #169 of 793
oh nice, I must have missed that. Time to go shopping!

Thanks!
post #170 of 793
Yup, you guys were right!

Went to BB, no copies in stock. Went to CC and they had 2 copies, both had the numbers on the top sticker. Lucky me! Get home, pop it in, 7.1 PCM according to my Denon 1909 and lots-O-grain! Yummy! AVC it is.

It really is quite a difference. That is some thick grain. Worth the money to me for a 2nd buy. Cost me $30 at the local CC.

Thanks guys! Gotta love this very informative place!
post #171 of 793
Lucky you Blacklac. I think the AVC version has the potential to become something like Shooter Blu-ray when Paramount sided with HD DVD.
post #172 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

Gave the AVC copy a full look, and it looked good. Some authoring oddities in regards to the audio, though. The box and menu list Linear PCM 6.1, but the PS3 displays it as Linear PCM 7.1. I don't have a 7.1 system, so I can't verify what's actually coming out.

The other oddity is that the movie starts playing with the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack by default, even though the main menu clearly shows the PCM option as being highlighted. You can either change to it via the pop-up menu once the movie has started (the pop-up menu correctly identifies the Dolby Digital track as playing when you first start), or on the main menu you can actually select the DD track and then "switch back" to the PCM.

The PS3 does not recognize 6.1 that is why it shows up as 7.1 on your receiver.
post #173 of 793
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

The PS3 does not recognize 6.1 that is why it shows up as 7.1 on your receiver.

That's funny, I thought for sure I'd seen 6.1 reported by the PS3 on X-Men: The Last Stand. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
post #174 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

That's funny, I thought for sure I'd seen 6.1 reported by the PS3 on X-Men: The Last Stand. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

It shows 6.1 in the display, but the PS3 sends it out 7.1. It does it on X-Men and Wall E.
post #175 of 793
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

It shows 6.1 in the display, but it sends it out 7.1. It does it on X-Men and Wall E.

Well here's what my PS3 displays for those movies:

X-Men 3 - 6.1
Wall-E - 5.1
The Descent - 7.1

Wall-E is an oddity since the PS3 seems to report differently depending on what options you have enabled. But the behavior differences between X-Men 3 and The Descent confuse me.
post #176 of 793
The Descent's PCM track is 7.1, but the two rear channels carry the same information. Thus, it is technically a 6.1 track delivered as 7.1. This is a necessary workaround, because 6.1 is an oddball configuration when it comes to the transportation of PCM.

X-Men 3 is encoded as 6.1, but the equipment doing the decoding will split the same information across the two rear channels for 7.1 setups.
post #177 of 793
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

The Descent's PCM track is 7.1, but the two rear channels carry the same information. Thus, it is technically a 6.1 track delivered as 7.1. This is a necessary workaround, because 6.1 is an oddball configuration when it comes to the transportation of PCM.

X-Men 3 is encoded as 6.1, but the equipment doing the decoding will split the same information across the two rear channels for 7.1 setups.

Thanks, MSmith for clearing it up for us. Neo, you do not see 6.1 in the display for Wall E? It only shows 5.1 on the box, but after the reviews and trying it myself it shows 6.1 on the PS3 display?
post #178 of 793
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Originally Posted by bases1616 View Post

Thanks, MSmith for clearing it up for us. Neo, you do not see 6.1 in the display for Wall E? It only shows 5.1 on the box, but after the reviews and trying it myself it shows 6.1 on the PS3 display?

From what I've heard, the PS3 only shows 6.1 for Wall-E if you have the PS3 set up to use 6.1 / 7.1 options. I only have a 5.1 system, so I have those options disabled, so my PS3 shows 5.1.

I don't understand why Wall-E acts in this manner - for all other titles I've seen, the PS3 correctly reports what the track is (be it 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1) and then just outputs it according to whatever options I've set. I have no idea why those options now actually change what the PS3 reports the track is for Wall-E. But other people are reporting the same thing, so I guess it's just some quirk with the Wall-E disc.

The audio on Wall-E confuses me in general - people are reporting a drop-out right when the movie actually starts - it seems like the audio isn't syncing fast enough for people with 7.1 set up. The really odd thing is that this drop-out moment is a minute or two into the actual main movie playlist - the Disney and Pixar logos have already come and gone, so you'd think the audio would be all set by then. But no, it plays the audio for those logos, then seems to need to resync as the opening titles start. I'm not personally experiencing that issue, but like I said before I don't have the 7.1 options enabled.
post #179 of 793
Can you call Lionsgate and ask for a replacement? I'm sure whoever answers will have no clue what we're talking about, so perhaps it's not the way to go.
post #180 of 793
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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

From what I've heard, the PS3 only shows 6.1 for Wall-E if you have the PS3 set up to use 6.1 / 7.1 options. I only have a 5.1 system, so I have those options disabled, so my PS3 shows 5.1.

I don't understand why Wall-E acts in this manner - for all other titles I've seen, the PS3 correctly reports what the track is (be it 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1) and then just outputs it according to whatever options I've set. I have no idea why those options now actually change what the PS3 reports the track is for Wall-E. But other people are reporting the same thing, so I guess it's just some quirk with the Wall-E disc.

The audio on Wall-E confuses me in general - people are reporting a drop-out right when the movie actually starts - it seems like the audio isn't syncing fast enough for people with 7.1 set up. The really odd thing is that this drop-out moment is a minute or two into the actual main movie playlist - the Disney and Pixar logos have already come and gone, so you'd think the audio would be all set by then. But no, it plays the audio for those logos, then seems to need to resync as the opening titles start. I'm not personally experiencing that issue, but like I said before I don't have the 7.1 options enabled.

I understand now, Neo. I guess there is no retailer or online store that just sells the AVC version of The Descent? I would like to get a copy of the AVC version.
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