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post #661 of 793
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Originally Posted by dannydj View Post

UK release is due in november. Have lionsgate re-released this in us as avc with the proper colour palette ??

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/prod...lu-ray/reviews

I'll be getting my hands on the "$9.99" disc (purchased from Amazon a few weeks ago) when my friend returns to the country on Sat am.

Though I have no other disc to compare to, first thing i'll be doing as seeing what version I have (assuming my Panny BD60 with basic display options will tell me).
post #662 of 793
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Originally Posted by Znook View Post

I've already mentioned this, at least somewhere because it's hard to keep track on which forums I've posted to.

I purchased the US version from Amazon.com on July 6th resigned to the fact that I'd end up getting the inferior MPEG version. I thought that as it was only $9.99 plus postage I could live with it until the 'best' version was released.

When it arrived I was amazed to find it was an AVC encode. My first thought was that I'd struck lucky in getting one of the AVC discs. However when I checked it out I found that the colour timing had been corrected (easiest shot to compare was the shot of the group photo outside the cabin. The scene now matched the one on the AUS version. Other scenes were also found to match.)

Further checks revealed that the contrast had also been corrected (the black levels are now correct in the cave scenes whilst still preserving detail into the darkest recesses, but not as 'dark' as the AUS version by its overuse of the contrast control so wiping out lots of low level detail.)

Colours are also stronger in the styilized scenes (when the caves are lit up in red for example) than on the original US discs, but they're not quite as strong as the colours on the AUS version which I think are a bit OTT to be honest (and, along with the contrast issue, the reason why I didn't get this version.)

Further, someone posted that his recently acquired (at the time he posted 3 or 4 months back) US AVC disc had the same corrections as to what I have found above, but I think people dismissed him as he was the only one stating it at that time. So from my findings (and his) I do conclude that Lionsgate have at some point quietly re-released it yet again, and that this version is now the best of the four so far.

Finally, it must be said that if I was looking to buy the disc now I would wait until the UK disc is released to see what that is like and what extras are on it. Doing so would also avoid the lottery of which US version of the three you'd end up with, though chances are you'd end up with this corrected one.

Cheers.
R.

I would definitely be interested in picking up the US version with the new corrections. Is there anything (code, etc.) on the case that differentiates it from the other versions?
post #663 of 793
Znook how did you compare them? Comparing shots from your PC screen to the display your BD player is connected to?

I don't think Lionsgate has a master that is color timed properly.
post #664 of 793
How can you tell what's "proper"?

larry
post #665 of 793
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

How can you tell what's "proper"?

larry

I think going by the DVD that Pathe distributed is a safe bet. If the UK Blu-ray release is theirs that would be even better.
post #666 of 793
Thread Starter 
I thought it was already confirmed that the AU Blu-ray matches the UK DVD's colors, so I don't quite understand how this supposed new US silent pressing could match closer?

Hopefully Znook will return and confirm how he's comparing. I'd jump on the $10 Amazon.com price if I lived in the US but it will be considerably more for me to get it, and with no guarantees that it would even match what Znook has...
post #667 of 793
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

I thought it was already confirmed that the AU Blu-ray matches the UK DVD's colors, so I don't quite understand how this supposed new US silent pressing could match closer?

Hopefully Znook will return and confirm how he's comparing. I'd jump on the $10 Amazon.com price if I lived in the US but it will be considerably more for me to get it, and with no guarantees that it would even match what Znook has...

Next time I'm in Wal Mart or best buy I'll look for the US version and see if I can find anything different about the packaging that might signal a 3rd release. If I remember correctly, on the security sticker, the OLD AVC had numbers that began with an A which was no longer present when the MPEG-2 version came out. I don't know if i want to buy this a 3rd time unless I know for sure...
post #668 of 793
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Originally Posted by shadowrage View Post

I think going by the DVD that Pathe distributed is a safe bet. If the UK Blu-ray release is theirs that would be even better.

I have the R2 disc. And for just $10 I ordered the current Amazon BD. So, I'll now have the R2 SD DVD (Pathe), the first US AVC BD, the AUS BD, and whatever Amazon delivers today. I'm more interested in seeing if the new US BD (if I get an AVC version) is the same as the first. I don't think I'll be nitpicking between the AUS BD and the new one unless somebody posts timestamps.

larry
post #669 of 793
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I have the R2 disc. And for just $10 I ordered the current Amazon BD. So, I'll now have the R2 SD DVD (Pathe), the first US AVC BD, the AUS BD, and whatever Amazon delivers today. I'm more interested in seeing if the new US BD (if I get an AVC version) is the same as the first. I don't think I'll be nitpicking between the AUS BD and the new one unless somebody posts timestamps.

larry

Taking one for them team, eh? You're a trooper, PooperScooper
post #670 of 793
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Originally Posted by stumlad View Post

Taking one for them team, eh? You're a trooper, PooperScooper

There's not many movies I'd do it for. This is a movie that I don't tire of watching. Since I got the R2 SD DVD 3 (4?) years ago I've watched the movie around 10 times or so all the way through. If it was more than $10, I probably would've passed, well, maybe $12.

larry
post #671 of 793
The disc I got from Amazon is MPEG2.

larry
post #672 of 793
Thread Starter 
Bummer! I won't be ordering from Amazon then.
post #673 of 793
Maybe the dist center near you has the (supposedly) new release. Do you feel lucky?

larry
post #674 of 793
Ok I just placed an order on Amazon. I should get it this monday. Hopefully I have better luck.
post #675 of 793
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

The disc I got from Amazon is MPEG2.

larry

Mine too, verified last night (from Amazon). I did notice a sticker with a new upc was on the back of the case, which gave me false hope...does look a little less defined than I remember when I rented from Netflix several months ago.
Oh well.
post #676 of 793
Just got my copy from Amazon. It too is the MPEG-2 encode. *I* got my hopes up since the case was one of those eco-cases. Which weren't used when The Descent was originally released on Blu-ray.
post #677 of 793
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Originally Posted by hlwl View Post

Just got my copy from Amazon. It too is the MPEG-2 encode. *I* got my hopes up since the case was one of those eco-cases. Which weren't used when The Descent was originally released on Blu-ray.

If the MPEG-2 encode is now in eco cases, I have real trouble believing in this third encode with corrected color timing from Lionsgate.
post #678 of 793
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

If the MPEG-2 encode is now in eco cases, I have real trouble believing in this third encode with corrected color timing from Lionsgate.

You would of thought that they would of at least given me the AVC encode many others have! Not only does this copy of mine have the eco case but it has an insert advertising newer releases such as T2: Skynet Edition, Transporter 3, My Bloody Valentine 3D, etc.
post #679 of 793
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Originally Posted by hlwl View Post

You would of thought that they would of at least given me the AVC encode many others have! Not only does this copy of mine have the eco case but it has an insert advertising newer releases such as T2: Skynet Edition, Transporter 3, My Bloody Valentine 3D, etc.

Well, strange as it may sound, the AVC encode actually came before the MPEG-2 encode. They replaced it because of some sort of bug (it's all earlier in this thread) but I have no idea why they downgraded on the codec.
post #680 of 793
Finally got my $9.99 Amazon copy back to me in the UK.

Despite getting all excited by checking back on this thread and seeing there were positive signs that I may have an AVC version (disc colour, markings, numbering etc etc), I popped it into my Panny BD60, wasn't 100% sure how to check the status bu upon pressing, Display, then selecting Signal type, it showed up on the Primary Video as MPEG-2.

Still, the first 2 mins looked very good (miles better than I recall from SD video/broadcast)so i'll be watching the rest of it in an hour or so.
post #681 of 793
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

If the MPEG-2 encode is now in eco cases, I have real trouble believing in this third encode with corrected color timing from Lionsgate.

Me too. Since there's only one person who found it.

larry
post #682 of 793
I feel almost guilty about my dumb luck.

I bought THE DESCENT about 20 months ago, before I joined the AVS forum. I just picked it up at a local shop. It was much later that I found this thread and realized there was an issue about the different encodes. So I checked mine. Sure enough: AVC.

Dumb luck. Sorry to see so many people going to so much trouble for an AVC and still striking out.
post #683 of 793
I thought I was lucky in finding an AVC copy as well... until I found out about the AUS version with the correct color timing and contrast. I ought to sell my AVC copy from Lionsgate now.
post #684 of 793
Will the Aus version play on all players?
post #685 of 793
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Will the Aus version play on all players?

It's region free. Whether or not it plays on a player is up to the player. (Just like any other BD).

larry
post #686 of 793
It's funny because I've been following this thread for a long, long, time since I love this movie and even though I bought it twice (both MPEG2) after finally watching it on my new, calibrated 65" plasma, I thought it looked very good. I have a dedicated theater with total light control and really couldn't see anything to complain about. I guess beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.
post #687 of 793
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

It's funny because I've been following this thread for a long, long, time since I love this movie and even though I bought it twice (both MPEG2) after finally watching it on my new, calibrated 65" plasma, I thought it looked very good. I have a dedicated theater with total light control and really couldn't see anything to complain about. I guess beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, but that's because you have nothing to compare it to.

So is it safe to say that unless I'm killed by crystal meth tweakers, that I'm **** out of luck? Basically, should I keep holding off in finding out how it's best for me to find a US AVC encode of this movie in-store, or should I just go and buy the MPEG-2 version? I'd rather get a better encode if possible, so I don't know what it is I have to do without opening it to find out what version it is.
post #688 of 793
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

It's region free. Whether or not it plays on a player is up to the player. (Just like any other BD).

larry

Yes, region-free is really what I was asking.

I'm kind of split on the issue. I definitely want to buy one version of the movie whether it be the Aus or the AVC US copy. I just checked DVD Crave they are asking around $30 (not including shipping) for it which is probably more than I will spend on this movie. Would anyone know of a cheaper price for Aus version? If not, I might be open to buying someone's AVC copy at a very good price.
post #689 of 793
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

So is it safe to say that unless I'm killed by crystal meth tweakers, that I'm **** out of luck? Basically, should I keep holding off in finding out how it's best for me to find a US AVC encode of this movie in-store, or should I just go and buy the MPEG-2 version? I'd rather get a better encode if possible, so I don't know what it is I have to do without opening it to find out what version it is.

Then... buy the Australian version.
post #690 of 793
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

Then... buy the Australian version.

I have some particular... online purchasing restrictions. Without getting too deep into it, I can only buy it in a store.
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