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post #31 of 344
Cool news on the latest developments!!! It seems like a year ago I had got SVCD's burned for the first time. When Rich, Aaron and others burned DVDs I was ready to buy a burner, but $800 kept me away. Now, no swapping drives, and editing is just as simple, I'm drooling!

I had a question about the new streams when burning a dvd... You don't need to convert the audio to 48K anymore? Did replay go to a standard bitrate for the audio? Is the Lygos codec still being used by Replay?

I'm getting really too anxious to get a replay4000 and a DVD burner... Too bad my woman is now wearing those and other toys on her finger. =( Is this what is ment by sacrifices?
post #32 of 344
TechnomageEnder, The Robin Williams and Mike Myers Inside the Actors Studio are two of my favorites. The are still sitting on a 105GB setup of drives in my garage while I figure out how to edit them and burn them to DVD.

The replay spontainously deleted all the files including those ItAS episodes. I couldn't have replay overwrite those files before archiving them. And I really want the 105GB back!
post #33 of 344
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Originally posted by Jeff D
I had a question about the new streams when burning a dvd... You don't need to convert the audio to 48K anymore? Did replay go to a standard bitrate for the audio? Is the Lygos codec still being used by Replay?
Unlike the 2K and 3K units, the 4K audio is 48KHz sampeling
post #34 of 344
Thread Starter 
For the guy who was looking for an Mpeg tool to get the parameters of it ..

Try the Teco BitRateViewer. The free version is plenty good enough and will show you Bit Rate, Qualty, GOPS, and all the information as to the frame size, nominal bit rate, type etc. You can get it at www.tecoltd.com The "registered" version is not that expensive, (as I remember around 25 dollars US) It adds some ability to cut mpegs and also modify them somewhat.
post #35 of 344
Check out Vegas Video 3.0 from Sonic Foundry.
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products...ct.asp?PID=612

Its my favorite for editing, and I can open my Replay .mpgs without any problem.

It has the best interface I have ever used.


-MasterFU
post #36 of 344
I guess that makes sense since it uses there is the option for Optical Audio, 48k is kinda a standard for that. Others are supported, just not the norm... 48K, That's WAY cool!!!

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Originally posted by mlinehan


Unlike the 2K and 3K units, the 4K audio is 48KHz sampeling
post #37 of 344
OK everyone, I've been trying to get these damn mpgs onto a DVD that is playable on a DVD player. I am confused and not having any luck. I have the mpg file, medium quality, it plays fine with media player and powerDVD, I have pinnacle impression and MyDVD to use to author the DVD. MyDVD will not let me add the mpg, impression doesnt recognize it either, they both appear to want two seperate audio and video streams. I also need to edit out the beginning and ending garbage. So what the heck do I do to trim the beginning and ending of the mpg and get the mpg into DVD content???
post #38 of 344
NFW you using 4000 streams? If not the audio is in the wrong format.

Beginning and end garbage. You'll need an editor which won't reencode the data. Womble MPEG2VCR works for that. There are also tools for demuxing the audio video streams to seperate files.

For just the demux you can use TMPGEnc. Search on the web for it. When running under the file menu there is an option for mpeg tools, somewhere in there is a demux file. Give source, audio and video output files and tell it to go.
post #39 of 344
Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff D
NFW you using 4000 streams? If not the audio is in the wrong format.

Beginning and end garbage. You'll need an editor which won't reencode the data. Womble MPEG2VCR works for that. There are also tools for demuxing the audio video streams to seperate files.

For just the demux you can use TMPGEnc. Search on the web for it. When running under the file menu there is an option for mpeg tools, somewhere in there is a demux file. Give source, audio and video output files and tell it to go.

Womble's MPEG2VCR will also mux, demux, and encode. Just get MPEG2VCR and you'll be able to do everything you need to.
post #40 of 344
Jeff,

Yes they are 4k mpgs.
So I HAVE TO demux them into seperate streams then let the DVD authoring software remix them to form the VOB file?? What a pain. Renaiming the MPG to VOB will let me play it in PowerDVD but that doesnt help much..

BTW: TMPGenc will not open them for me...
post #41 of 344
Quote:
Originally posted by breaux124


Wouldn't it save you time if you cut the commercials with MPEG2VCR and then do the encoding? I realize that program is more expensive, but it should be worth while.
I ususally do encoding just before I go to work or just before I go to bed, so I wouldn't even notice. Plus since I bought my ReplayTV I can't afford MPEG2VCR. ;)
post #42 of 344
Actually that info on the HP DVD100i DVD+RW isn't quite accurate.

At this time it is only DVD+RW. Doesn't do DVD-R and probably won't ever. HP is supposed to be releasing a firmware update for it that will give it DVD+R capabilities. Compatibility seems to be kind of hit or miss. With discs I have made so far compatibility is about 60% with mostly older DVD players not recognizing the discs.

DVD+RW should be a more compatible format than -RW as it is physically and logically the same as DVD video discs. You can get more propraganda here:

http://www.dvdplusrw.org/
post #43 of 344
I e-mailed Womble about their support of WinXPpro before buying. They replied with a 15 day trial key, but no yes or no answer. I tried extracting a 30 min show, cut out commercials (very nice and responsive viewer by the way). I was able to cut the commercials in a few minutes. The record took about 1 minute. The burn to DVD-RW was with Ulead DVD Movie Factory and went very smooth (about 30 min).

I burned both the raw image from Replayer.jar and the edited version onto the same DVD-RW. Both versions played fine on my DVD player. There were a few skips in the video, but the skip occured at the same point on both versions so it was a skip in the Replay's recording.

I also took the edited version and ran it thru Windows Media Encoder and transcoded it onto my iPAQ, it played fine there as well.

All in all I'm happy with Womble on my XPpro machine.

Oh, I did have one show (Daily Show 1-12-2002) that seemed to have something slightly wrong with the very beginning. It could be played in windows media player if you moved the slider just past the beginning. This file would Kill Womble every time, it would also kill windows media encoder. Womble would pause while opening the file, then just crash. I re-downloaded the file from the Replay, same problems.
post #44 of 344
Thread Starter 
FWIW I've been a long time Womble user and am using the latest version with WinXP Pro without trouble.

However, there were a couple interesting weird things occuring in my XP system. When I was off loading the replay mpegs with ReplayPC it seemed to be taking a lot longer than my Win2K system. I noticed the KB's counter stuttering and stopping every now and then. I have an ABIT K7TA main board with an on board RAID controller. Some of my Replay Mpegs had various problems. I found that if I disabled my RAID controller and used one of the primary drive controller HDs the download speed increased (?) and the problems disappeared.

I also could not get my SpruceUp DVD authoring program to run. UNTIL I disabled the RAID controller, installed SpruceUp and then re-enabled the RAID.

This is the "HighPoint" ATA100 raid. I've been all over the various sites, forums and such and have the latest flashes bios for both the raid firmware and the Main board, yet this raid is giving me a lot of problems. I had an IWILL mobo, also with an on board raid and that didn't give me half the problems.

If you are having problems with corrupted Mpegs or very slow off-loads, and you have an on-board raid controller, try disabling the RAID and see what happens. Anybody experience this ?
post #45 of 344
Quote:
Originally posted by Rich A
I have an ABIT K7TA main board with an on board RAID controller.

If you are having problems with corrupted Mpegs or very slow off-loads, and you have an on-board raid controller, try disabling the RAID and see what happens. Anybody experience this ?
I've got the same board (you did mean the KT7A-Raid, right? :) )

I'm using the drives on the raid controller for just about everything, so far Womble (which I'm not TOO familiar with) appears to be working just dandy. Other than having to find the right codec, that is.

Try installing the latest bios update from abit -- http://www.abit-usa.com That might fix the problem, as the bios for the highpoint controller has been updated several times since the original release. Just be wary if you actually have any raid arrays, they sometimes die when you do the update... There are more details on their site, though.
post #46 of 344
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Dallben


I've got the same board (you did mean the KT7A-Raid, right? :) )

I'm using the drives on the raid controller for just about everything, so far Womble (which I'm not TOO familiar with) appears to be working just dandy. Other than having to find the right codec, that is.

Try installing the latest bios update from abit -- http://www.abit-usa.com That might fix the problem, as the bios for the highpoint controller has been updated several times since the original release. Just be wary if you actually have any raid arrays, they sometimes die when you do the update... There are more details on their site, though.


Yup, I have the Raid version of the board. And board revision # is 1.03 which is the one you need (so they tell me) to work properly with the new Athlon XP processors. And I've downloaded and installed both the Raid and main board BIOS's as per the latest.

What kind of performance figures do you get for sequential sustained writes? With my unit the actual performance is terrible. I think there may be something peculiar about my Windows XP Pro install that is just not working right with this raid controller. Previous raid controllers I've owned have benchmarked at greater than 50 Mb/s. This one has a hard time getting to 20. I'll have to check under Windows 2K to see if the performance comes up some.

So my questions to you are: What kind of performance are you getting (sequential sustained average not burst) and are you running FAT 32 or NTFS ??
post #47 of 344
I think mlineman was really onto something...
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So I hacked up a quick www server in my ReplayPC application and fed the 4080 a "Device_Descr.xml" that describes my PC as a 4080 called "ReplayPC".
What about a _few_ steps further and serving content back to the Replay? ...Say DIVX AVIs of archived DVDs or Replay content, interpreted by through server software as MPEG2 that's friendly to the Replay?

FFMpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net) or the VideoLAN Project (http://www.videolan.org) seem to be on the right track.. I don't have currently a Replay, but if this concept is proven, I'll get one in a couple of months.

I'm very excited about the prospect of this working.. Then I could take the PC out of my entertainment center that I'm currently using to play DVDs and AVIs.
post #48 of 344
Now, I don't remember my steps in converting files... can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

I may be off topic, I'm using 3K extracted stream files...

I open an extracted file with womble and then resave the file converting the audio to 48.0Khz. When I try to open the file in SpruceUp, I get an error about Invalid GOP, invalid temporal something or other.

I've reciently changed machines and reinstalled everything.

Previously I had a clip that was extracted that I was able to import into spruce with the correct audio. From there I was able to create a DVD. Something is different now and I can't figure out what.

Has anyone seen a similar problem? How about what did I do something wrong in preping a file for import into spruce?
post #49 of 344
Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff D
Now, I don't remember my steps in converting files... can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

I may be off topic, I'm using 3K extracted stream files...

I open an extracted file with womble and then resave the file converting the audio to 48.0Khz. When I try to open the file in SpruceUp, I get an error about Invalid GOP, invalid temporal something or other.

I've reciently changed machines and reinstalled everything.

Previously I had a clip that was extracted that I was able to import into spruce with the correct audio. From there I was able to create a DVD. Something is different now and I can't figure out what.

Has anyone seen a similar problem? How about what did I do something wrong in preping a file for import into spruce?
Which version of Womble do you have? If you don't have the latest, I'm pretty sure you have to demux the audio and video and then convert the audio.

Can't you put the two seperate streams into Spruce Up?
post #50 of 344
The womble I have is the latest, 3.10 or 3.11 not sure.

I couldn't see how to import two demuxed streams into spruce up. Been a while since I did this last.

Strange part is the skydive movie I used before I can't use now. It's as if something changed. Wait... maybe that was using an older womble....
post #51 of 344
Thread Starter 
Look in the top title bar in the Womble GUI. It should have a date there. The latest is vers. 3.11 and the date is November 2001. There ARE older 3.11 versions. You need the newest November version to be able to save the edited mpeg with the audio changed as well at the same time. If you have an older version, then you have to de-multiplex into separate elementary video and audio and then use the Womble audio editor to change the audio stream by itself to 48 kHz.

SpruceUp is very unforgiving if you have something like a messed up GOP sequence etc. It works better when you import the elementary streams instead of a multiplexed program stream. To do this you simply need to import only the video asset. BUT the matching audio stream MUST have the same name. (with different extensions of course) The Spruceup program will bring in the video and then pair it up with the audio stream it finds at the same location with the same name. In other words, you would have something like this ..

Movie.mpv (video stream)
Movie.mpa (audio stream)

Just import the "Movie.mpv" asset and Spruceup will compile using the Movie.mpa automatically. I've found that sometimes this works better than trying to import the full multiplexed program stream.

Now if it's dying on you when doing a full program stream, it may be because of the older version of Womble. I found going from the 3.11 (august?) to the 3.11 November to be an improvement in several areas.

Also if all else fails try this. If it bombs out at say the 45 percent mark .. do a little figuring to find out where in the clip that is. For example if you have a 100 minute clip, and it dies at 45 percent, then go back to Womble and take a look at around the 45 minute mark. Most of the time, you'll find it is a "join" point. Maybe where you removed a commercial. Sometimes Womble has trouble with "not perfect" mpeg and doesn't make a "clean" join. If this happens you might be able to save it by just inserting an "effect" at that point. (usually okay cuz it's between in and outs during the commercial) Or you can split the clip at that point and add a transition between them when you join them. I use the "fade .. or is it merge?" Well anyway the thing is that by adding a "transition" at the problem point, you will cause Wombe to re-encode that area of the mpeg ..and most likely fix it.

Doesn't work all the time, but it's saved my bacon when trying to save a 2 hour movie.

Last tip: If you get all the way to the end (99 percent) and you get an error about the audio not being correct, sometimes this is caused because the last frame or two may be missing the audio content. That can happen on occassion and will usually end up with the compile failing at the very end. If this happens, stick it back into Womble and cut off the last several frames.

Hope that helps ..
post #52 of 344
Thread Starter 
I've examined all of the mpeg options coming out of the ReplayTV. I sometimes find things like broken GOP sequences or other weird things. Usually these do not affect playback in the RPTV, and sometimes not even when viewing them with a PC based Mpeg-2 player.

However, these slight imperfections raise their ugly frames when said frames are being used in a DVD compiling (when authoring a DVD) What your eyes, and even an mpeg player just "skip over", are huge canyons of problems to a DVD authoring program trying to compile that mpeg.

I've done enough of these to say that it's more common a problem that you'd think. If you are using a "frame accurate" mpeg editor (like Womble) the thing you have to remember is that Womble doesn't normally re-encode the mpeg. It only re-encodes those few frames around your joins and cuts and the sections you add FX effects. That is one reason the Womble is so fast. But what is good for speed, brings up another problem. Because the Mpeg is NOT re-encoded, you are (for the most part) using the raw Mpeg from the RPTV. And if there is a GOP or two that is slightly out of sorts, it's "not" going to be automatically fixed by the editor. Not the Womble anyway. You can force the Womble to re-encode the whole video by changing anything in the Video tab's properties. But be preparded to wait for hours.

There ARE some software based encoders that can rebuild errant GOPS or adjust muxing etc. during a Multiplexing operation. TMPGenc is one of them. You can de-multiplex your program stream and then using one of the DVD profiles in TMPGenc Multiplex the streams back together. about 80 percent of the time this will fix it. The only thing "adjusted" are the intrinsic parameters like pack size and GOPs etc and really nothing envolving the actual quality of the mpeg. Multiplexing operations are usually pretty fast over-all. FWIW I think if you do a "lot" of ReplayTV extraction, you will find that many of the Mpegs have these slight problems. I'd like to hear from others who may have run across this as well. (I've been doing "extracts" from the older 2 and 3000 series for a long time and now more recently the 4000 series. I find the same problems with all versions of the ReplayTV Mpegs.
post #53 of 344
What needed to be done to get the mpegs off a replay to open in TMPGEnc? When I open it I receive an invalid format message.

I have a SHowstopper 30 hour.

Thanks

Jamy
post #54 of 344
The http://www.elecard.com $20 MPEG2 player has a codec that will work with TMPGEnc. On vcdhelp.com there is also information about another (free) codec, but I haven't had much success with that one.
post #55 of 344
Ok, I downloaded the trial mpeg2 codec from elecard, and now TMPGenc will open the replay extracts. My problem now is that after conversion to SVCD my file is still 800Meg. The material I am trying to put to SVCD is 45 minutes of the Witchbalde TV show recorded at medium quality. This should be able to fit on one SVCD.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to make it fit?

Thanks

Jamy
post #56 of 344
Ok. I was able to make the program fit on one SVCD. I put it in my DVD player and noticed noise in the sound, that is there the whole time.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to software to clean up the audio?


TIA

Jamy
post #57 of 344
Anyone know where I can get a copy of TMPGEnc 2.02?

I've been trying to download it from their site for two weeks now, any it always gives me an error and says the site is too busy...
post #58 of 344
Hi,

I'm having audio sync problems on vcds created from replaytv mps. I don't know what my problem is. The audio sync is more notizable on the last minutes on my mpgs about minute 60.

I have the current configuration:

1) ReplayTv 2000
2) Win 2k Prof Service Pack 2
3) Extract_rtv version 10
I used this to get the mpgs.
4) Womble ver 3.11 (03/2001)
To cut commercials and demux audio and video.
5) TMPenc ver 2.2
post #59 of 344
Hi All,

I'm having audio sync problems on vcds created from replaytv mps. I don't know what my problem is. The audio sync problem is more noticeable on the last minutes on my mpgs about which is after minute 60.

I have the current configuration:

1) ReplayTv 2000
2) Win 2k Prof Service Pack 2
3) Extract_rtv version 10
I use this to get the mpgs.
4) Womble version 3.11 (03/2001)
I use this to cut commercials and demux audio and video. I demux the a/v because TMPEcn wouldn't open the mpg.
5) TMPenc version 2.2
I use this to convert to vcd profile VCD (NTSC) with the audio and video streams demuxed.
6) Elecard player version 1.35.
Do you happend to have a white little squere on the right upper corner? If I buy the player, does that squere go away?

Result of the mixture: Vcd with audio out of sync, specially on those which length is more that an hour of video.

If some of you have created vcds in sync from replaytv mpgs. Would you mind sharing what software/version was used?

Thank You
post #60 of 344
Thread Starter 
I notice both you guys with the audio sync problem are using the Womble version dated 3/01. There is another newer one dated 11/01.

The versions prior to Nov. 01 had a problem with ATI video capture cards and their mpeg. Going in the mpeg was fine. Coming out .. the mpeg was out of sync. The November version fixes that problem.

Point is it may not only be an ATI problem and may also be some cause for alarm with the RPTV mpeg. I've mentioned this several times before...get over to the Womble web site and download the latest version.

To GET the latest version just go to the "purchase" page and download the file without filing in any purchase information. You will get the version 3.11 (but with a NOVEMBER 01 date) When running the install, it will find your registered older version and update it. Give it a try. It's worked for everyone who had the ATI problem.
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