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Sony KDL S4100 no service menu

post #1 of 38
9/8/08 at 1:52pm
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Hey everyone, since the Sony KDL S4100 doesn't have a service menu, how would I get it ISF Calibrated? Would they only calibrate the basics (picture, brightness, colour\\hue, sharpness) using the standard menu? If so is it worth it to get it calibrated?
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post #2 of 38
9/9/08 at 3:18pm
The S4100's do have a service menu. The 40 inch however uses a different access code than previous panels, but does in fact have white balance controls.
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post #3 of 38
9/9/08 at 3:59pm
In the service menu? Really? I had not bothered to look for service menu controls becuase Sony said that they were disabled in these models in the training and in the service manual.
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post #4 of 38
9/9/08 at 6:20pm
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anyone know how to get into the service menu? I have a 46" KDL S4100
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post #5 of 38
9/24/08 at 6:55pm
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I would really like to calibrate my tv, anyone know how to get into the service menu on a KDL-46S4100
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post #6 of 38
11/11/08 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by gp-se View Post

I would really like to calibrate my tv, anyone know how to get into the service menu on a KDL-46S4100

bump anyone?
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post #7 of 38
12/5/08 at 5:58pm
I have the same question for my KDL-40S4100. I bought the Blu-Ray DVE calibration disc and can get everything set really well with the basic picture adjustments except for the color. When blue is correct, red and green are too bright. I'd like to adjust each individually.
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post #8 of 38
12/5/08 at 6:01pm
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left,right,mute,center button, mute, menu
do that with the TV on, make sure to write down all the original values!!
you can't use the filters that come with DVE to set colour, you need to use a spyder2 or something.
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post #9 of 38
12/6/08 at 1:36pm
Thanks.

Actually, I found last night that by dropping the backlight 2 notches (from 8 to 6), the color fell right into place using the DVE filters.
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post #10 of 38
12/7/08 at 9:16am
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thats weird, I have my backlight down at 2, and I had to do alot of adjustments to get the colours correct.
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post #11 of 38
12/7/08 at 12:58pm
My final settings are:

BACKLIGHT 6
PICTURE 85
BRIGHTNESS 60
COLOR 39
HUE 0
COLOR TEMP Neutral
SHARPNESS 2
NOISE REDUCTION Low
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post #12 of 38
12/7/08 at 2:46pm
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I'm currently using:
Backlight: 2
Picture: 94
Brightness: 55
Colour: 45
Hue: 0
Colour Temp: Warm
Sharpness: 2
Noise Reduction: Low

In the service menu:
R Gain: 163
B Gain: 149
B Gain: 113

R Offset: 98
G Offset: 106
B Offset: 105

I used DVE HD Basics On BluRay, and a Spyder2 running Color HCFR software to calibrate the set. This guide helped me:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
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post #13 of 38
12/7/08 at 3:48pm
Panel Version: LCD_SAMSUNG40_1920

That is shown when I access the service menu. It's towards the bottom... I find this pretty strange lol.
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post #14 of 38
12/7/08 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by gmansixfo View Post

Panel Version: LCD_SAMSUNG40_1920

That is shown when I access the service menu. It's towards the bottom... I find this pretty strange lol.

Sony gets the panels from Samsung, there's only a few LCD panel makers out there.
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post #15 of 38
12/7/08 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by gp-se View Post

I'm currently using:
Backlight: 2
Picture: 94
Brightness: 55
Colour: 45
Hue: 0
Colour Temp: Warm
Sharpness: 2
Noise Reduction: Low

In the service menu:
R Gain: 163
B Gain: 149
B Gain: 113

R Offset: 98
G Offset: 106
B Offset: 105

I used DVE HD Basics On BluRay, and a Spyder2 running Color HCFR software to calibrate the set. This guide helped me:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

As they say, YMMV.

I just used the DVE on Blu-Ray with the filter card. The color may not be 100% accurate, but I like it. Looks good on both HD broadcast and DVD 9Blu-Ray or upconverted SD). I have the backlight up higher because my wife like to watch with a light on in the room while I prefer dark. This setting appears to be a good compromise. I found a backlight of 5 and below just looks dull even with brightness and contrast set correctly. Picture has more "snap" at 6. 8 was too much.

I looked at the service menu and got right out. It scared me off. Next year, after bills are paid off I may look at getting a Spyder 2.
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post #16 of 38
12/7/08 at 5:21pm
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I was able to put my backlight low since my room is very dark, the spyder2 is great but from what I've read not all of them are accurate. Eye-One is twice the price but much more accurate, unfortunitly I couldn't afford it so I went with the cheaper Spyder2. Either way each set is a bit different so settings will vary.
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post #17 of 38
12/9/08 at 1:43pm
Which Spyder is the best to use. The Spyder2 or this one
http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-ht-s3tv.php

I have a Mits HC6000 front projector, a Sony s4100, a 32" Sony LCD and two Sony LCD rear projection HDTV's. All of these could probably use a little more calibration.
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post #18 of 38
12/9/08 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

Which Spyder is the best to use. The Spyder2 or this one
http://spyder.datacolor.com/product-ht-s3tv.php

use this guide: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
basically if your on a budget get the spyder2, however if you can afford to spend a little more get this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CR78CE?...89&camp=211189

The Eye-One is very accurate for it's price, there is a review in the first link I posted. I got a spyder2 because I'm on a budget, the results I got seem pretty accurate so I'm happy.
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post #19 of 38
12/13/08 at 6:30pm
I'm a part time wedding photographer and have been calibrating and profiling monitors for a few years. Here's just a few things I've learned.

During calibration, close window blinds and eliminate direct sunlight in the room. The temperature of the color of light will affect the calibration. The color temperature changes with the sun during the day. It's why things look golden at sundown.

During calibration, turn off any lights pointed directly toward or above the screen.

Walls, floors and ceilings are best in neutral colors. Color casts from reflected walls can affect the color of the monitor.

Re-calibrate about every six months, more often if you're dealing with photographs that must be perfect.
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post #20 of 38
12/13/08 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by Electromen View Post

I'm a part time wedding photographer and have been calibrating and profiling monitors for a few years. Here's just a few things I've learned.

During calibration, close window blinds and eliminate direct sunlight in the room. The temperature of the color of light will affect the calibration. The color temperature changes with the sun during the day. It's why things look golden at sundown.

During calibration, turn off any lights pointed directly toward or above the screen.

Walls, floors and ceilings are best in neutral colors. Color casts from reflected walls can affect the color of the monitor.

Re-calibrate about every six months, more often if you're dealing with photographs that must be perfect.

thanks for the tips, I had a feeling things like sunlight and atificial light would have an impact.
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post #21 of 38
12/20/08 at 8:45pm
I used the same settings as Gp-se, it looke really terrible for me.
However, I was unable to change anything in the service menu.
Like, as soon as I switched it from, say, 160 to 155, and I moved down on the list, it'd just revert back to 160!

Any idea why?
Like, it wont let me change anything.

I used Bluesky's settings for my xbox and ps3, and Im way more happy with it than I was with the factory defaults. Resident Evil 5 looked amazing, although I probably should test more games too lol.
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post #22 of 38
12/23/08 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by DutchessOfAwesom View Post

I used the same settings as Gp-se, it looke really terrible for me.
However, I was unable to change anything in the service menu.
Like, as soon as I switched it from, say, 160 to 155, and I moved down on the list, it'd just revert back to 160!

Any idea why?
Like, it wont let me change anything.

I used Bluesky's settings for my xbox and ps3, and Im way more happy with it than I was with the factory defaults. Resident Evil 5 looked amazing, although I probably should test more games too lol.

I believe you have to press another key to lock the setting change in, but I forget which one. I don't temember if I read it on this forum somewhere or it says that on the service menu itself.
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post #23 of 38
1/18/09 at 8:21pm
HI there, I've been trying soooo many different settings, is there a certain setting you use for Hockey game vs movies
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post #24 of 38
1/19/09 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by kootenay13 View Post

HI there, I've been trying soooo many different settings, is there a certain setting you use for Hockey game vs movies

no it should all be the same.
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post #25 of 38
1/19/09 at 6:54pm
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HI there, I've been trying soooo many different settings, is there a certain setting you use for Hockey game vs movies

Crank up the red so that the blood stands out.

Seriously, though, you need to go through the settings using a calibration DVD like the one from Monster (cheesy but works) or the Blu-Ray version of DVD Essentials (if you have a Blu-Ray player).

Due to component tolerances in the tv, 5 people could suggest 5 different settings, none of which may look good to you.
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post #26 of 38
1/19/09 at 8:00pm
Thanks, I order the blu-ray calibration disc yesterday. Do you know anything about service menu? Should the white balance be on? Does the calibration disc help you set up the RGB Gain and OFFSET?
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post #27 of 38
1/19/09 at 8:06pm
Are you able to watch a hockey game with these settings? Does the ice not look to have a bit of brown tinged to it?
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post #28 of 38
1/20/09 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by kootenay13 View Post

Thanks, I order the blu-ray calibration disc yesterday. Do you know anything about service menu? Should the white balance be on? Does the calibration disc help you set up the RGB Gain and OFFSET?

I have not found it necessary to touch the service menu. In fact, you should NOT touch the service menu unless you have the proper equipment and really know what you are doing. I just used the basic user accessable controls and things look great. White looks white and black looks black.
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post #29 of 38
1/20/09 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by kootenay13 View Post

Are you able to watch a hockey game with these settings? Does the ice not look to have a bit of brown tinged to it?

I don't watch hockey.

I always thought the brown tinge was dried blood.
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post #30 of 38
1/20/09 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

I have not found it necessary to touch the service menu. In fact, you should NOT touch the service menu unless you have the proper equipment and really know what you are doing. I just used the basic user accessable controls and things look great. White looks white and black looks black.

very good advice, the only reason to go into the service menu is if you have have a colorimeter to measure levels.
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