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post #331 of 9526
Can it send over 192Kz true hd or dts master?
post #332 of 9526
DTS HD Master for sure...
If it's donwsampled, the AVR wouldn't be able to show that it's getting DTS HD Master




Xonar rules...
post #333 of 9526
I think the new tmt is still not released for all people because they should buy it with the new xonar, so it is only in the package.
I bet to 70% that even the 4850 would bitstream with that software, I would also like to try it. I think it is a tactical agreement bitween some companys to let the people buy additional hardware
post #334 of 9526
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Originally Posted by flyingernst View Post

I think the new tmt is still not released for all people because they should buy it with the new xonar, so it is only in the package.
I bet to 70% that even the 4850 would bitstream with that software, I would also like to try it. I think it is a tactical agreement bitween some companys to let the people buy additional hardware

If the 4850 doesn't have PAP (and it doesn't appear to), you can't bitstream from it. Period.
post #335 of 9526
if it is like that yes, then bitstream will never work, but

a) no one tried it
b) AMD says it has a full HDMI 1.3 with all hardware features


could "pap" get seen by any very important chip for that on the card?
post #336 of 9526
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Originally Posted by flyingernst View Post

if it is like that yes, then bitstream will never work, but

a) no one tried it
b) AMD says it has a full HDMI 1.3 with all hardware features


could "pap" get seen by any very important chip for that on the card?

HDMI 1.3 doesn't mean PAP. Since there's no BIOS setting or driver setting, there's very likely no PAP.

It's also something the ATI would be playing up if it existed, as it's a huge selling point. And they're not. So it likely doesn't.
post #337 of 9526
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Whoa! that's the proof right! Integra saying its getting dts master, so no possibility of downmixing or any kind of messing or degrading the signal, right? I mean, this is the gold standard we ahve been waiting for, right? So, in this scendario:

200 blurays ripped to hard drive media center system

My Movies

AnydvdHD-

Outputting to Denon receiver via hdmi-

Are we finally there? No more crap reduced quality sound?

Someone tell me it is finally here!


Yes we are finally there! Too bad Auzentech can't get theirs to work with PDVD.
post #338 of 9526
Hi everyone! Add one more to the list expecting this card! Does anyone know if the availability date of sep 10th is also valid for Europe (Spain)?
post #339 of 9526
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Originally Posted by post-x View Post

Hi everyone! Add one more to the list expecting this card! Does anyone know if the availability date of sep 10th is also valid for Europe (Spain)?

I think Europe and the Asian countries will see this card before we see it here state-side.
post #340 of 9526
myAV and lilohtpc,

I only noticed the DTS MA, what about TrueHD? Also, can we send LPCM too? Some of the BD does not have True HD/DTS MA and have LPCM only. What about the DVD format's such as DTS and DD+? Can you check it out if you don't mind? Just want to make sure we cover all the formats not just BD but DVD too.

Thanks.
post #341 of 9526
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Originally Posted by hlkc View Post

myAV and lilohtpc,

I only noticed the DTS MA, what about TrueHD? Also, can we send LPCM too? Some of the BD does not have True HD/DTS MA and have LPCM only. What about the DVD format's such as DTS and DD+? Can you check it out if you don't mind? Just want to make sure we cover all the formats not just BD but DVD too.

Thanks.

I think most of that has been covered in previous posts. True-HD still isn't working but Arcsoft is working on it and it should be in a future patch. All others seem to work.
post #342 of 9526
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Originally Posted by rkgriffin View Post

I think most of that has been covered in previous posts. True-HD still isn't working but Arcsoft is working on it and it should be in a future patch. All others seem to work.


rkgriffin,

Based on myAV's post#237, I thought he got the updated TMT patch already. Also, I looked at every single posts but I do not see him, Vista, and lilohtpc, XP, mentioned anything other than BD loseless format.
post #343 of 9526
lilohtpc took those off the myAV site and translated with Yahoo.
post #344 of 9526
I will post all my new findings tomorrow including the answers you guys are waiting for. BTW, TrueHD streaming is still not working, this is due to the ongoing negotiations between Dolby, Arcsoft and Asus. They haven't come to a conclusion yet, and when they do, we will get TrueHD for sure.
post #345 of 9526
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Originally Posted by myAV View Post

I will post all my new findings tomorrow including the answers you guys are waiting for. BTW, TrueHD streaming is still not working, this is due to the ongoing negotiations between Dolby, Arcsoft and Asus. They haven't come to a conclusion yet, and when they do, we will get TrueHD for sure.

myAv,

Appreciated. Btw, I hope do you mind I ask, do you work for Asus or Arscoft?
post #346 of 9526
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Originally posted by omholt
I see that the Xonar HDAV1.3 Deluxe card has 7.1 analogue outputs. Does anyone know if it will be possible to send HD audio through the analogue ouputs?
My goal is to do all the processing in the HTPC and connect the soundcard directly to power amps.

Others have asked this already and I would also like to have the answer. Is anyone here intending the install the deluxe card pack so as we can know for sure?

I realise that the answer should be "yes" but some of us potential buyers will not accept the manufacturers assurance on this issue until someone independently verifies it.
post #347 of 9526
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Originally Posted by myAV View Post

I will post all my new findings tomorrow including the answers you guys are waiting for. BTW, TrueHD streaming is still not working, this is due to the ongoing negotiations between Dolby, Arcsoft and Asus. They haven't come to a conclusion yet, and when they do, we will get TrueHD for sure.

Tell dolby to remove their head from their ass and cater to this very specialized small slice of their customer base. You might want to remind them that when these htpc guys use stuff, they tend to recommend it to other people.
post #348 of 9526
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

You might want to remind them that when these htpc guys use stuff, they tend to recommend it to other people.

This is the truth.

How many people say "my computer geek friend said" and it carries a lot of weight with those who are not "computer geeks"? Quite a few, I am sure.

Same with "this audio video nut friend said"...
post #349 of 9526
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Originally Posted by iansilv View Post

Tell dolby to remove their head from their ass and cater to this very specialized small slice of their customer base. You might want to remind them that when these htpc guys use stuff, they tend to recommend it to other people.

This should be said to start with.
Back in the past there was this 'great' Dolby Digital sound system used on Digital Versatile Discs, but some smart people from DTS have found out they could push it forward pretty much.

DD standard bitrate 320kbps
DTS standard bitrate 1411 or 1536 kbps

Then the same guys figured out to add 7th absolutely discrete channel. DD marketing division created DD EX 7th matrix channel.

The only creative thing from laboratories of Dolby was Dolby Pro Logic 2.
The only disadvantage of DTS was compatibility.

Now DTS made sure it stayed supreme format and focused on compatibility.
If you don't have any of BD DTS sound systems codecks onboard your amplifier, either DTS-HD or DTS-MA will fill the whole bandwith of regular DTS.

In my opinion you will not distinguish DTS from DTS-HD or DTS-MA kept in digital domain (coaxial input, output) from native DTS-HD, Dolby Digital Plus connected using 7 analog cables.

Know that:
DDplus bitrate 6mbps
DTS_HD bitrate 6mbps

At the end I would like to compare bitrate of the most sophisticated SS:

DD TrueHD bitrate - 18 mbps
Glourious DTS-MA bitrate scores - 25 mbps

In fact I think it is the only lossless movie sound system on the market now, can someone correct me on this one?


One last thing I would like to say. What a pity Cyberlink didn't join Asus to make the best possible and most compatible solution for BD sound.
Arcsoft doesn't stand a chance.

Regards for all sound geeks
post #350 of 9526
multichannel pcm should be lossless, because it is not compressed (when it is saved as data on a disc)
post #351 of 9526
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Originally Posted by benus View Post

In fact I think it is the only lossless movie sound system on the market now, can someone correct me on this one?


One last thing I would like to say. What a pity Cyberlink didn't join Asus to make the best possible and most compatible solution for BD sound.
Arcsoft doesn't stand a chance.

Regards for all sound geeks

1) All the HD audio codecs are now lossless, including Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HS/MA, and LPCM

2) TMT is superior to the bloated PDVD in every way.
post #352 of 9526
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Originally Posted by AbMagFab View Post

2) TMT is superior to the bloated PDVD in every way.

I would like that to be true, but it is not if you have an ATI card (at least):
  • Some HD-DVDs like StarTrek TOS do not play
  • HQV HD shows fails almost all tests
  • Picture Quality is a bit better with 24P source with PowerDVD (not a lot)

For the most part sound is better with TMT, but I am not sure about DTS-MA. PowerDVD sounds better so I am not sure if TMT is doing core only or not.

- Rich
post #353 of 9526
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I would like that to be true, but it is not if you have an ATI card (at least):
  • Some HD-DVDs like StarTrek TOS do not play
  • HQV HD shows fails almost all tests
  • Picture Quality is a bit better with 24P source with PowerDVD (not a lot)

For the most part sound is better with TMT, but I am not sure about DTS-MA. PowerDVD sounds better so I am not sure if TMT is doing core only or not.

- Rich

24p seems to be card specific, not player specific. And I haven't yet found a card that does proper 24p - which is making me nuts!

In terms of the rest, ST TOS plays fine for me (AnyDVD of course), HQV HD I find totally useless in terms of real-world viewing "pleasure".

I don't have any problems with my 4850 (or G45 or G35) HTPC's. And the bloat of PDVD makes it pretty useless for me. TMT actually sounds better to me, but perhaps that's subjective? I'm using HDMI for everything.

And bottom line is, TMT will be the only one with a bitstreaming capability in a couple days, so now there's no question it's better than PDVD!
post #354 of 9526
OK guys, first thing is first. I am very happy to say that the card will be officially launched here in Taiwan tomorrow Sep 9th, a day before the scheduled launch. Everything is in stock now and we have done all the testing and the final report is not bad at all. The following results are applied to both Vista and XP.

1. DTS-HD MA bitstreaming OK.
2. ThruHD bitstreaming is broken.
3. LPCM 7.1 via HDMI OK.
4. DVD sound traks (DD 5.1/ DTS 5.1) OK.
5. Playback from the HDD (ISOs)OK.
6. SPIDF working fine.
7. Analog stereo playback OK.
8. Fantastic PQ through Splendid HD engine.
9. Working well with other software players like PDVD, MPC-HC ,TT and KMplayer etc..
10.TMT offers great high definition playback.
11.The daughter card (analog) passes full bitrate TrueHD and DTS-MA.
12. Both Vista and XP compatible.

I think this pretty much covers everything.All went fine except for one error.This time the card failed to pass audio without the video stream.I guess it was the new audio driver that caused the error, still investigating.....

BTW,someone in the forum asked whether I was working for Asus or Arcsoft.No, I am not working for them. I work for the Pioneer cooperation as a designing engineer in AV equipments such as AV receivers. As someone from my family is the biggest Asus dealer here in Taipei I have a very good relationship with Asus.
post #355 of 9526
Thanks a lot for your contributions myAV. You've been very informative and this will no doubt help people make an educated decision on whether to get this card or not.

One last question of mine that I posted previously that didn't get addressed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Salvador View Post

That actually wasn't my original question. My apologies if the wording was confusing. To clarify:

- I want to know if Xonar Hdav 1.3 decodes DD and DTS stream from its HDMI and Optical inputs without using any 3rd party software.

There you go, I hope that clears it up for everyone

So is the card capable of this? thanks.
post #356 of 9526
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Originally Posted by myAV View Post

OK guys, first thing is first. I am very happy to say that the card will be officially launched here in Taiwan tomorrow Sep 9th, a day before the scheduled launch. Everything is in stock now and we have done all the testing and the final report is not bad at all. The following results are applied to both Vista and XP.

1. DTS-HD MA bitstreaming OK.
2. ThruHD bitstreaming is broken.
3. LPCM 7.1 via HDMI OK.
4. DVD sound traks (DD 5.1/ DTS 5.1) OK.
5. Playback from the HDD (ISOs)OK.
6. SPIDF working fine.
7. Analog stereo playback OK.
8. Fantastic PQ through Splendid HD engine.
9. Working well with other software players like PDVD, MPC-HC ,TT and KMplayer etc..
10.TMT offers great high definition playback.
11.The daughter card (analog) passes full bitrate TrueHD and DTS-MA.
12. Both Vista and XP compatible.

I think this pretty much covers everything.All went fine except for one error.This time the card failed to pass audio without the video stream.I guess it was the new audio driver that caused the error, still investigating.....

BTW,someone in the forum asked whether I was working for Asus or Arcsoft.No, I am not working for them. I work for the Pioneer cooperation as a designing engineer in AV equipments such as AV receivers. As someone from my family is the biggest Asus dealer here in Taipei I have a very good relationship with Asus.

Thanks a lot for this.

A couple of questions:

5. Are you saying you have to create and mount and ISO to play from HDD? Or that you can also just open the folder structure and play the BD or HD-DVD from HDD?

And you can also confirm that LPCM via HDMI and anlaogue are both using PAP and therefore not downsampled?

Does this version of TMT use exclusive mode?

Cheers,

Adam



Thanks.
post #357 of 9526
Yeah having the Xonar HDAV1.3 card will be a big boost for TMT.

I will agreee with the poster above about ATI cards having issues with TMT (at least the 3650 I had, haven't tested a 4850 since it is too big for my case). As soon as I switched to a nVidia 9500GT most of my issues with TMT have gone away. I get pretty good 24p now and no sync issues.

I am really curious about the new ATI 4600 series since they will fit in my case. I might hold out for some reviews of people using them with the Xonar since I am sure they will be some. On paper an ATI 4670/Xonar HDAV1.3 look like a really strong combo.
post #358 of 9526
I can't get TMT to run on my G35, I just get a black screen when I try to load a folder structure.

If someone has a magic cure I sure would like to see it, otherwhise the ASUS isn't much use to me

Thanks,

Adam
post #359 of 9526
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Originally Posted by myAV View Post

OK guys, first thing is first. I am very happy to say that the card will be officially launched here in Taiwan tomorrow Sep 9th, a day before the scheduled launch. Everything is in stock now and we have done all the testing and the final report is not bad at all. The following results are applied to both Vista and XP.

1. DTS-HD MA bitstreaming OK.
2. ThruHD bitstreaming is broken.
3. LPCM 7.1 via HDMI OK.
4. DVD sound traks (DD 5.1/ DTS 5.1) OK.
5. Playback from the HDD (ISOs)OK.
6. SPIDF working fine.
7. Analog stereo playback OK.
8. Fantastic PQ through Splendid HD engine.
9. Working well with other software players like PDVD, MPC-HC ,TT and KMplayer etc..
10.TMT offers great high definition playback.
11.The daughter card (analog) passes full bitrate TrueHD and DTS-MA.
12. Both Vista and XP compatible.

I think this pretty much covers everything.All went fine except for one error.This time the card failed to pass audio without the video stream.I guess it was the new audio driver that caused the error, still investigating.....

BTW,someone in the forum asked whether I was working for Asus or Arcsoft.No, I am not working for them. I work for the Pioneer cooperation as a designing engineer in AV equipments such as AV receivers. As someone from my family is the biggest Asus dealer here in Taipei I have a very good relationship with Asus.

The million dollar question is since it will be released in Taiwan tommorow when will it be available in the USA.
post #360 of 9526
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Originally Posted by RICKPTAK View Post

The million dollar question is since it will be released in Taiwan tommorow when will it be available in the USA.

Ok, so the $1 question would be when is it released in the UK?
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