*Official* Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 thread - Page 111

sorry if it's been asked, but is there a low profile version of the HDAV card coming in the near future?? I think I heard/read it somewhere......

(I know there's a "updated" version that should fix the 1080p/24 issue on the current gen card)

If I got it right the only way for me to get 24fps is to configure my 2 DVI outputs with different resolutions and/or framerates while one at least is 1080p/24 and connect it straight to my AVR.
Is this scenario feasible? (I have a 8600GTS)

If the DVD contains an encoded sound format, which is usually the case with DD and DTS, then the PCM output setting is not relevant. The Xonar is able to pass through encoded audio formats (DD, DTS, DD+, DD TrueHD, DTS HD HR and DTS HD MA) via S/PDIF or HDMI to an external decoder.
However if your DVD holds plain LPCM, which is allowed by the DVD spec but not often used, then the output setting in the Xonar HDAV Center is in effect. This is actually true for all PCM audio.

Furthermore, If one uses the analog output path of the Xonar deluxe version, then this setting is relevant even for encoded audio streams. This is because the encoded audio stream has to be decoded to PCM first. It does not matter whether this is done by the media player via a software decoder or by the Xonar's hardware decoder. Fact is that encoded formats are merely for transportation and can not be processed by audio hardware. In general digital audio hardware is working on/with PCM streams (afaik SACD is the only exception to this rule as it uses PDM instead of PCM). So, as the digital to analog converter of the Xonar is working on PCM streams one should be aware of the selected PCM settings in the HDAV Center for analog outputs, too.

I finally managed to get the card to work, sort of, with HDMI output.
Is there any place under Vista or any software player (TMT, PDVD, KMplayer, etc...) where i should see explicitly the word HDMI? Because I don't see that anywhere.
It seems that connected to my AVR the combination only supports 44.1Khz.
How should I configure apps such as KMplayer to play mkv files through HDMI? At the moment I only get digital noise (like white noise) through that port. Any ideas?
(This card got me a few years back when i was clueless )

There's an hdmi icon in the Xonar gui that you click on to enable hdmi. Under playback devices you should make Xonar default. In the ASUS TMT version .125 there is an hdmi in the audio selection. If you have it installed correctly, everything will exit the hdmi except HDDVD.

Have you tried the speaker test? You should be able to select 44/48/96/192 in audio format.

I don't use PDVD or KM Player.

Saw it.


Ok.


I already owned TMT. Is the one provided by Asus any different? Anyhow there is no HDMI selection in mine.


Only 44 was supported. Obviously something is wrong with my setup and/or installation. What should I do?

I already owned TMT. Is the one provided by Asus any different? Anyhow there is no HDMI selection in mine.

To use Zonar HDAV and get the new Audio Formats you must use Asus version of TMT at this time. Arcsoft has indicated that support for Zonar HDAV maybe added in later updates but for now use Asus TMT.

Remember to uninstall your Retail version first; Then install Asus TMT.

Rew

Ok. I'll do that. I suppose this is only relevant for the new sound formats, right? I mean using other software players for DD and DTS is Ok through the HDMI interface, or am I wrong?
If so, does that mean that I need to have a S/PDIF connection too to support the other formats and the other players?

Thank you

I do not use HDMI for sound at this time so I cannot say for sure but using it for analog outs it supports all old formats just fine in PDVD8.

Rew

Very concerned by your answer
See, I moved from an Auzentech Prelude 7.1 to the HDAV only to get HDMI out for the new formats and avoid analog.
Why did you renounce HDMI if you mind me asking?

IMO, if your receiver does not do TrueHD/DTS Mstr, I would keep TMT retail until next release of ASUS TMT. Retail .128 might have problems w/24hz. Retail .126 plays a few more BDs than ASUS .125.
Have you done setup under playback devices where you select 44.1/48/96/192 and use exclusive mode is selected - I'm not really sure if this is required, but I did it.
I would try to work out the 44.1 cause 48 and 96 and 192 w/headphones is critical.

Media player works fine for me w/SD DVD thru hdmi.

Is this normal to have PCM on amplifier ?

That's indicates Multich and not DD or DTS on the frontage of the Onkyo 905.

Configuration:
- connector full HDMI, audio & video
- Drivers Asus on HDMI 5.1
- TMT on HDMI

PS: only for DVD, for the BR that's indicate TrueHD or DTS MA, ...


Thanks

I used the HDAV to supplement my Denon AVR-3805 which does not do HDMI. I have a Lumagen VisionHDP for my video setup and switching.
For now the AVR-3805 is just fine and the $215.00 was a cheaper upgrade to enjoy the new Audio formats. And when I update my AVR the HDAV will still work for HDMI sound from my computer.

Rew

See inserts

I'm using XP now, but have you completed setup under playback device? There you will choose many options like 44/48/96/192, and DD,DTS, WMV. It has check box for exclusive mode.

Maybe Rew452 can explain better. When back in Vista I'll try a Prt Scr.

I would use speaker test, and then work on getting all sample rates even if you have to do a reinstall as I feel having all is critical. BD is 48/16 or 24 and some are 96.

Keep your retail TMT until you have the Xonar working correctly.

I don't use MKVs

Yes, in XP, onboard audio disabled.

xtrips

How about recapping your HTC hardware and software setup, also what OS you are using?

Also. when you added HDAV what did you expect it to do? Beyond working with Asus TMT.

Which HDAV card do you have? Standard or Deluxe


When you installed HDAV, How did you install the drivers? Did you remove old sound drivers and turn-off or remove your old card? etc..

Also how stable was your OS before adding this card?

Some of this info can give a clue as to how to help solve your issues.

Rew

Just thought I'd chime in here with another success story.

I got the HDAV1.3 for Christmas and just got it all set up this morning. I tested Dolby TrueHD and DTS MSTR HD and got passthrough no problem on my Vista 64-bit system.

Off to enjoy some movies! (After football of course).

Seems TMT .125 Asus cannot handle the new BD+ on titles such as Predator 2, XFiles 1+2 etc. I get a static noise screen every couple of seconds. Which version of TMT can handle the new BD+?

xtrips:

I followed your advises and here is my updated situation now:

- HDMI with 5.1 works only at 96Khz, not 192Khz (might be my AVR limitation. I'll check)
- HDMI passes DTS and DD ok
- Installed TMT Asus. Crashes on every start. Any idea on that?

I couln't get my 8600GTS to enable the second DVI port. Stuck with video through the HDAV which doesn't support 24fps.
Waiting for the new driver version.
BTW I got the Deluxe version but didn't install the daughter card.
Doeas anybody know how PDVD is supposed to behave with the HDAV? At the moment it only shows a combination of analog speakers (2,5,6,8) or S/PDIF outputs. No HDMI. Is that ok?

Thanks

The hdmi should work at all sampling rates.

You should have multichannel with hdmi.

Did you try the retail TMT?

Was the 8600 2nd display connected to a display on restart?

I think hdmi in PDVD is version specific.

I couldn't play the POTAs series with .125 but could with .126

ASUS TMT would just screen an ArCSoft site for update. I googled it and it brought me back to retail.

You are speaking of the retail version not the Asus right? There doesn't seem to be a .126 for Asus.

Maybe I can find the file with BD+ ion the .125 Asus version and replace it with the one from .128 retail patch. Will try tomorrow.

Yes: ASUS .125 and retail .126

I have the same issue as you with the sample rate. When I do a speaker test using 5.1 and 96Khz I get sound. If I change to 192Khz and 5.1 speakers I get no sound. My amp can take 192Khz signals for all channels I tested this using the PS3.

For Power DVD I use the 6 speaker option and it seems to work well.

For your crashing problem, again I had the same thing, but I uninstalled TMT, then deleted all references in the registry and in explorer. Then I restarted, installed the version that came with the card (.122), rebooted, then installed the (.125) version. It works fine since that.

If it isn't one show stopper it is another...

Now that ASUS is actually getting the hardware and the drivers working fine (almost there, close enough to believe it will be a reality at least), I notice they do not keep their version of TMT up to date.

With it consistently being a rev or 2 behind, anyone using it will consistently be unable to play some of the latest movies.

There's been talk (even by the Arcsoft folks) that at some point both versions will merge into a single product again. However, with no timeline in place it has become increasingly frustrating to say the least. I've been so tempted to just go out and buy a standalone player.

a) You won't see any 24 Hz output from your Xonar soon as there is a bug in the oxygen chip that requires a hardware modification. We are currently all waiting for the "Go!" of Asus to send our cards in. However, in order to make use of your 2nd DVI output use dualview at your display's native resolution and 60 Hz.
b) You won't see support for HDMI output in any media player except for the TMT version that was specifically designed for this particular purpose. If you want to know more about why this is the case check out what protected audio path is and what this means for the usage of this product. So, if you want to preserve an encoded audio stream, then select S/PDIF output in your media player. If you want to let the media player decode the encoded audio stream, then select the output path in your media player that is aiming for analog output (that's when you tell your media player how your speaker setup looks like). This will result in (multichannel) PCM streams.
c) The TMT crashes might be caused by intermixing different TMT versions. You are advised to uninstall the retail version completely prior to installing the Asus version.

I'm confused about something, if I'm connecting the Xonar "out" to my receiver and NOT the TV directly, does that have any effect on the 24 hz "bug"? Or is the Xonar incapable of passing 24hz no matter how it's connected?

W-H-A-T????? A bug in the hardware??
Enough is enough I think I am giving back this card. I only have it for 4 days and the list of downs is getting long:
- no 24fps
- cannot generate its own video signal to carry the audio signal
- crappy drivers
- unable to connect HDMI at 192Khz which is supported by my AVR
- TMT crashes on start, and yes, my PC has been cleaned up from A-N-Y TMT remains (reg, folders, cfg, ini, etc...) before installing that new Beta (another beta...) version that comply with the new driver version
- and of course the Beta's (drivers, TMT)

What's up with these guys at Asus? I mean "Are we to be their Q.A?"
Come on...