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post #4651 of 9491
2/15/09 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by chillspace View Post

The problem with the VMC integration issue is that ASUS seems to have decided not to pay Arcsoft for the added functionality in their implementation of the software. That is what you need to complain about people.
Eric

Not sure I fully buy that... from the ASUS support forum and the ASUS rep there, Asus is working on getting the VMC working, I believe in the original versions of the OEM TMT it was working, but was broken in an updated release?
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Originally Posted by yoyolai @ ASUS support website View Post

Oh.. but there will be some good development on the Media Center side, still working with Arcsoft on the details now.
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post #4652 of 9491
2/15/09 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by chillspace View Post

Why do people jump the gun on this one? The true definitive answer to this is that the card works under VMC...it's the ASUS implementation of Total Media Theatre that does not integrate into VMC (that is you get a nice little icon to play HD discs) like the retail release. The card works fine under VMC because it is working fine under the Vista OS. Keep in mind the retail release doesn't support bitstreaming of HD audio but does integrate quite nicely with VMC.

The problem with the VMC integration issue is that ASUS seems to have decided not to pay Arcsoft for the added functionality in their implementation of the software. That is what you need to complain about people.

-- end of rant

Eric


Well for me the Card is basically usless untill they fix the Arcsoft issue you guys are talking about, I just want full rate lossless while using TMT and Blueray, I use TMT within VMC.

Allso once again thanks guys your very helpfull.


EDIT ------

I just realised you guys were talking about HDDVD and not Blueray, pleas ignore what I just said above..
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post #4653 of 9491
2/15/09 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by JoeHH View Post

Toe Tag and MyAV,

Thanks so much for the offer and your communication with ASUS. I have two requests:
1. Make it work correctly on a system with two monitors connected. I need to use two monitors, as I work in an auditorium setting, where I need to be configuring things on Monitor 1 while output is going to Monitor 2 (and is duplicated to the auditorium).
2. Allow the possibility that the internal headphone connector always outputs a stereo remix, regardless if the card is outputting analog or HDMI, bitstreaming, etc.

Thanks.

AFAIK, HDAV has no problem with Dual outputs, that's what I'm using now.
But I do know:
1. 2nd montor may not be able to output HDCP protected video
2. Some VGA has trouble outputing to LCDTV, because of costdown or some reason, they just don't have complete EDID table for LCDTV (monitor EDID table is simpler than that of LCD TV), causing LCDTV+Monitor configration to display issues...
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post #4654 of 9491
2/16/09 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Better analog control of speaker delays/level settings

Full analog output of HD DVD, includes headphone.

Auto detect of 48/96/192 Khz

Simultaneous output of hdmi and spdif

LPCM Passthrough like True HD and DTS Master Passthrough

ASUS TMT integration of VMC--real integration.

I think the Auto detect of 48/96/192 Khz is a needed enhancement. It is just too annoying to try to figure out what the correct value should be.
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post #4655 of 9491
2/16/09 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by lilohtpc View Post

AFAIK, HDAV has no problem with Dual outputs, that's what I'm using now.
But I do know:
1. 2nd montor may not be able to output HDCP protected video
2. Some VGA has trouble outputing to LCDTV, because of costdown or some reason, they just don't have complete EDID table for LCDTV (monitor EDID table is simpler than that of LCD TV), causing LCDTV+Monitor configration to display issues...

Toe Tag and lilohtpc,

Thanks for your replies. I have not yet bought the HDAV card, but saw these limitations here discussed, and am somewhat weary to purchase the card until I'm pretty sure I can figure out a way to get around them.

In my case, it would be important, although not absolutely necessary (there's always AnyDVD after all) that the 2nd monitor out would support HDCP. I would always want to use the 2nd monitor out for watching films, never the first (although if need be maybe I could reverse them...), and of course it would be a DVI out, running into the HDAV, from there to the Onkyo 876 receiver, and from there to projector / pre-outs to amps. All my equipment is HDCP compatible.

I've seen just a couple of recent posts about some difficulties outputting through a 2nd monitor - maybe if a few more people could post their experience we can get a better idea if this is really a problem or was just a fluke a few unlucky experienced.
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post #4656 of 9491
2/16/09 at 2:37pm
Thread Starter 
Newegg has the deluxe version in stock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829132008

I'm still waiting ont he non-deluxe version because my receiver does HD codec decoding..

Hopefully ZZF will have some in soon (they went out of stock just recently)
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post #4657 of 9491
2/16/09 at 2:47pm
Provantage has a non-deluxe card for $180. They ship fast and very reliable.
http://www.provantage.com/asus-xonar...3~7ASU90KU.htm

I got one and installed with vista 32 and it is bitstraming all lossless audio codecs from anydvd hd ripped blu ray movies to my processor with no problems.

Peter
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post #4658 of 9491
2/16/09 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by peterrudy View Post

Provantage has a non-deluxe card for $180. They ship fast and very reliable.
http://www.provantage.com/asus-xonar...3~7ASU90KU.htm

I got one and installed with vista 32 and it is bitstraming all lossless audio codecs from anydvd hd ripped blu ray movies to my processor with no problems.

Peter

Most people are looking for the new cards with 24P capability. That is why they are/will order from vendors that were recently out of stock and have re-stocked with the new version.

What is the serial number on your card?
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post #4659 of 9491
2/17/09 at 12:39am
After three days i have finished reading this thread after i purchased this card from new egg. Still have 10 days on 30 day return. my serial number is an 8 I do want the 24 p card. This card really does sound better than anything I have output to my Genelec's from the computer. Would keep it even with the 24p issue.

all my itunes music, video and itunes HD looks great threw this card. I can use the component outputs on my Radon 2900 out to a HDTV and it to works in itunes

itunes plays out threw the Component out of the video card and the blue ray DVD player will not. Is is this a DRM thing or some other copy protection?
I understand HDMI digital and Component Analog But itunes works either way. This makes an advantage in buying itunes movies.
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post #4660 of 9491
2/17/09 at 1:54am
Please excuse my ignorance - do you need a separate graphics card with the HDAV 1.3?
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post #4661 of 9491
2/17/09 at 3:05am
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

Please excuse my ignorance - do you need a separate graphics card with the HDAV 1.3?

Yep. Graphics card > HDAV 1.3 > AVR > Display device
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post #4662 of 9491
2/17/09 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

Please excuse my ignorance - do you need a separate graphics card with the HDAV 1.3?


Depends what you mean by *separate* - it *doesn't* have to be a discrete (i.e., what I would call a separate card) graphics card, integrated graphics are fine (so long as they have the power to decode what you want, eg BD).
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post #4663 of 9491
2/17/09 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by chillspace View Post

Why do people jump the gun on this one? The true definitive answer to this is that the card works under VMC...it's the ASUS implementation of Total Media Theatre that does not integrate into VMC (that is you get a nice little icon to play HD discs) like the retail release. The card works fine under VMC because it is working fine under the Vista OS. Keep in mind the retail release doesn't support bitstreaming of HD audio but does integrate quite nicely with VMC.


Eric

That is like saying your car works to take you to the store because you can turn it on, but that it cannot go anywhere since it is missing wheels.

Without the needed wheels, the car does not travel on the roads, therefor the car does not work in taking you to the store
Without the needed add-in, the HDAV does not work with VMC.
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post #4664 of 9491
2/17/09 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

That is like saying your car works to take you to the store because you can turn it on, but that it cannot go anywhere since it is missing wheels.

Without the needed wheels, the car does not travel on the roads, therefor the car does not work in taking you to the store
Without the needed add-in, the HDAV does not work with VMC.


That's a really bad analogy. I am with Chillspace on this, the card does work under VMC and vista, the arcsoft version that comes with the card does not integrate with VMC.

It would be like buying a new car and getting a free sat nav unit, then finding out the sat nav unit can't download maps of a certain area.
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post #4665 of 9491
2/17/09 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

Please excuse my ignorance - do you need a separate graphics card with the HDAV 1.3?

Keep in mind this product is a sound card. If it also had the capabilities of a video card, that card's profile would be HUGE and quite difficult to cool, probably also too complex really. What it does do is essentially augment the HDMI out signal by combining it's own audio source along with an HDMI video input.

Also I'm pretty certain you don't need to have a video card with an HDMI out. You just need an HDCP capable video card. I think the HDAV includes a short DVI-HDMI adapter dongle if you need it.

On the other hand: I find that while the ATI Catalyst 9.1 driver is better at restoring the video output if the TV/receiver was off prior issue, it still has a hiccup now and then. Every once in a while when I find the HTPC on while the receiver/TV is off, the picture won't come back until a restart of the HTPC. Does the HDAV have the same issue? Do I need to buy the DVI detective plus, still? Or does the HDAV essentially resolve this problem?
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post #4666 of 9491
2/17/09 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by reaper12 View Post

That's a really bad analogy. I am with Chillspace on this, the card does work under VMC and vista, the arcsoft version that comes with the card does not integrate with VMC.

It would be like buying a new car and getting a free sat nav unit, then finding out the sat nav unit can't download maps of a certain area.

No a better analogy would be: The dealer 2 blocks away gave you tires rated for 40 mph, but you can't drive it on the interstates for your daily work commute.
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post #4667 of 9491
2/17/09 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by reaper12 View Post

That's a really bad analogy. I am with Chillspace on this, the card does work under VMC and vista, the arcsoft version that comes with the card does not integrate with VMC.

It would be like buying a new car and getting a free sat nav unit, then finding out the sat nav unit can't download maps of a certain area.

Thank you, Reaper12.

Eric
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post #4668 of 9491
2/17/09 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by hceuterpe View Post

Keep in mind this product is a sound card. If it also had the capabilities of a video card, that card's profile would be HUGE and quite difficult to cool, probably also too complex really. What it does do is essentially augment the HDMI out signal by combining it's own audio source along with an HDMI video input.

Also I'm pretty certain you don't need to have a video card with an HDMI out. You just need an HDCP capable video card. I think the HDAV includes a short DVI-HDMI adapter dongle if you need it.

On the other hand: I find that while the ATI Catalyst 9.1 driver is better at restoring the video output if the TV/receiver was off prior issue, it still has a hiccup now and then. Every once in a while when I find the HTPC on while the receiver/TV is off, the picture won't come back until a restart of the HTPC. Does the HDAV have the same issue? Do I need to buy the DVI detective plus, still? Or does the HDAV essentially resolve this problem?

Actually, you wouldn't need to have a videocard that has the power of an NVidia 295 or something and play games at the highest of resolutions. It simply needs to output accelerated 1080p. I wouldn't be surprised if ASUS (after perfecting the HDAV) would come out with an integrated card and corner the market. It also wouldn't surprise me if they even decided to license the tech out to combine bitstreaming solutions for IGPs on motherboards. You never know.

Eric
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post #4669 of 9491
2/17/09 at 9:28am
I have an old X800 lying around - here comes the part that looses me - how does the graphics card get the picture to the sound card to output?
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post #4670 of 9491
2/17/09 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

I have an old X800 lying around - here comes the part that looses me - how does the graphics card get the picture to the sound card to output?

Ok, another problem here's that a lot of new participants in the discussion here don't read relevant earlier posts.
The HDAV needs a HDMI video input, period!
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post #4671 of 9491
2/17/09 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by arttext View Post

Ok, another problem here's that a lot of new participants in the discussion here don't read relevant earlier posts.
The HDAV needs a HDMI video input, period!


Ummmm...I think it does.
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post #4672 of 9491
2/17/09 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by kbil69 View Post

Hello,

I've got a problem with my picture, could you help me ?

I took a screenshot.

On the top of the image it's ok, but on bottom there is a problem, the white are burned.
Note, the differences in luminosity changes position each time.

I must change de video out (HDMI1, HDMI2, HDMI3, ...) several times on my amplifier Pioneer SC-LX71 to have a correct image, but it was similar with my old amplifier Onkyo 905.

Driver: 5.12.8.17.58
Soft: Arcsoft Total Media Theater (ASUS)V2.1.13.126
Splendid: 3.0.2.6
OS: WINDOWS XP SP3

It would be said that the white are burned ?

Thanks

UP

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post #4673 of 9491
2/17/09 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by arttext View Post

Ok, another problem here's that a lot of new participants in the discussion here don't read relevant earlier posts.
The HDAV needs a HDMI video input, period!

Um...this thread is 156 pages long? ? ?

If you'd like to link to earlier 'relevant' posts - that'd be great.
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post #4674 of 9491
2/17/09 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by reaper12 View Post

That's a really bad analogy. I am with Chillspace on this, the card does work under VMC and vista, the arcsoft version that comes with the card does not integrate with VMC.

It would be like buying a new car and getting a free sat nav unit, then finding out the sat nav unit can't download maps of a certain area.

It works under Vista, but not VMC.

VMC is an application. It does not work within that application. It does work on the underlying operating system, though.


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Originally Posted by hceuterpe View Post

No a better analogy would be: The dealer 2 blocks away gave you tires rated for 40 mph, but you can't drive it on the interstates for your daily work commute.

Yeah, that would work better. You bought a car expecting it to work on the highway (since they said it would), then find out it does not...it only works on local roads.
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post #4675 of 9491
2/17/09 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

I have an old X800 lying around - here comes the part that looses me - how does the graphics card get the picture to the sound card to output?

You cannot a DVI to HDMI cable from the output of the vid card to the input of the HDAV.
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post #4676 of 9491
2/17/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

Um...this thread is 156 pages long? ? ?

If you'd like to link to earlier 'relevant' posts - that'd be great.

Sorry, no. It's as much work for me as it would be for you, so you have to do this yourself.
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post #4677 of 9491
2/17/09 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

You cannot a DVI to HDMI cable from the output of the vid card to the input of the HDAV.

Uh, I'm pretty sure you can. The sound card even has the DVI-HDMI dongle! The bigger question would be if the X800 has HDCP, which I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Then it's a matter of whether or not your CPU is fast enough to decode the video codecs.
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post #4678 of 9491
2/17/09 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by xrapidx View Post

Um...this thread is 156 pages long? ? ?

If you'd like to link to earlier 'relevant' posts - that'd be great.

Search is your friend.
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post #4679 of 9491
2/17/09 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by carrera1 View Post

Most people are looking for the new cards with 24P capability. That is why they are/will order from vendors that were recently out of stock and have re-stocked with the new version.

What is the serial number on your card?

My serial number starts with 8BC01 ...... I don't know if there is any other way to confirm that my version can output 24P.

Peter
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post #4680 of 9491
2/17/09 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by peterrudy View Post

My serial number starts with 8BC01 ...... I don't know if there is any other way to confirm that my version can output 24P.

Peter

The version that does 24P starts with "9"
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