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post #8131 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

I have to use HDMI4 on my 4308 to keep the HDCP handshake issues to a minimum.

I would definitely recommend staying with .160, as I found it more stable than the previous versions. Also use the latest Xonar drivers, they fixed some issues for me. Disclaimer: that is on a 32 bit system.

What are your exact settings in the Xonar CP?
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Axel

Not sure which hdmi input i am using on the Denon but been fine for almost a year with XP SP3.

In Xonar CP i have channel-8 channels, format-PCM 96KHz, hdmi out-7.1 speakers.
post #8132 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Guys, there's a very easy way to solve handshaking issues. Here's is a step by step guide that you may follow.

First of all, the OBJECTIVE: to create a .inf file that will be the new monitor driver for the AVR HDMI display device, with the custom EDID made up by:

- A first block with the EDID of the display device.

- An extended EDID block with the AVR audio capabilities.

So here are the steps:

1. DONWLOAD AND INSTALL MONINFO: get it from here.

2. CONNECT HTPC DIRECTLY TO THE DISPLAY DEVICE.

3. RUN MONINFO TO GET DISPLAY DEVICE EDID: just look for the "Real-time] selection at the top left in the "Display IDs" windows. In my case it's a SAMSUNG, so I look for a display device with that name.

4. SELECT File->Create INF. SAVE THE DISPLAY.inf FILE TO HD (save it to a directory where it will be THE ONLY .inf file.

5. CONNECT THE DISPLAY DEVICE TO HDAV HDMI-IN AND HDMI-OUT TO AVR, as usual.

6. RUN MONINFO TO GET EXTENDED EDID BLOCK FROM AVR: in my case it's a DENON 988. So I look for first entry in Display IDs window with the tag "DENON-AVAMP" and "[Real time ...].

7. SELECT File->Create INF. SAVE TO AVR .inf .

8. EDIT AVR.inf WITH NOTEPAD:

- Open Windows Explorer and browse to where you saved your AVR.inf.

- Right-click on it, select "Open with", choose Notepad.

- Search for a line that begins with:

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1" ...

- Copy the whole line to clipboard.

9. EDIT DISPLAY.inf WITH NOTEPAD:

- Search for a line that begins with:

HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0" ...

- Paste clipboard to a new line just after it.

- Save file.

10. OVERRIDE MONITOR DRIVER WITH MODIFIED DISPLAY.inf FILE:
(I will show the procedure for 2 monitors, but works just the same for one. Procedure is for Windows 7)

- Right click on desktop and select "Personalize".

- Click on Display->Change display settings.

- Now click on the Screen of the AVR display.

- Click on "Advanced settings"

- Select Monitor Tab and click on "Properties".

- Select Driver Tab and click on "Update Driver"

- Select "Browse my computer for driver updates".

- Select "Let me pick from a list of drivers on my computer".

- Click on "Have Disk".

- Click on "Browse".

- Navigate to directory with the display device .inf file (Note: just in case, make sure that it's THE ONLY .inf file in that directory).

- Click on Open, OK, and install the new driver.

- Reboot.

That's it, you're free now of any more handshake issues. Enjoy!

Hi Tulli,

It's very useful tuto
Thx, i will apply this
Seb.
post #8133 of 9491
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Originally Posted by goldwing77 View Post

Not sure which hdmi input i am using on the Denon but been fine for almost a year with XP SP3.

In Xonar CP i have channel-8 channels, format-PCM 96KHz, hdmi out-7.1 speakers.

Try setting your playback device in Windows to Digital Output.
Also in the Xonar CP, make sure you have SPDIF Out enabled and PCM selected from the list.

This is how I get bit-streaming to work with my HDAV Deluxe and Asus TMT3 software on Win7.
post #8134 of 9491
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Originally Posted by jamiee View Post

Try setting your playback device in Windows to Digital Output.
Also in the Xonar CP, make sure you have SPDIF Out enabled and PCM selected from the list.

This is how I get bit-streaming to work with my HDAV Deluxe and Asus TMT3 software on Win7.

Sorry i guess i wasnt clear but i use my Xonar and Denon for bluray playback which requires hdmi to get all the hd audio tracks. There is no way to get DTS HD Master audio with SPDIF.

I now have XP SP3 and Win7 32 bit working fine but still have problems with Win7 64 bit.
post #8135 of 9491
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Originally Posted by goldwing77 View Post

Sorry i guess i wasnt clear but i use my Xonar and Denon for bluray playback which requires hdmi to get all the hd audio tracks. There is no way to get DTS HD Master audio with SPDIF.

I now have XP SP3 and Win7 32 bit working fine but still have problems with Win7 64 bit.

Actually, you're mistaken on this one. In this case Digital SPDIF is different than what we consider SPDIF. It's a setting in Windows sound control panel on the Xonar, and uses HDMI. The only thing it can't do is proper LPCM but it bitstreams all the HD codecs perfectly. Try it and see if it works. Personally I use the Speakers setting myself and have no issue, but, it'd be interesting to see if this makes any difference in your config.
post #8136 of 9491
have anybody this problem:
In Xonar CP, when I hit test speakers configuration, the test sound come out from the 7.1 speakers are random, not in the right order. Eg. center speakers is coming out from my right surround speaker.
But if I play dolby AC3 5.1 movie, it sounds in right order.
My connection is HDMI.

Why? Any setting problem?
post #8137 of 9491
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Originally Posted by iwanrs View Post

have anybody this problem:
In Xonar CP, when I hit test speakers configuration, the test sound come out from the 7.1 speakers are random, not in the right order. Eg. center speakers is coming out from my right surround speaker.
But if I play dolby AC3 5.1 movie, it sounds in right order.
My connection is HDMI.

Why? Any setting problem?

Is it incorrect in windows and if you click on each speaker in Xonar CP?
post #8138 of 9491
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Actually, you're mistaken on this one. In this case Digital SPDIF is different than what we consider SPDIF. It's a setting in Windows sound control panel on the Xonar, and uses HDMI. The only thing it can't do is proper LPCM but it bitstreams all the HD codecs perfectly. Try it and see if it works. Personally I use the Speakers setting myself and have no issue, but, it'd be interesting to see if this makes any difference in your config.

+1

I'm wondering (and it's a bit hard to tell who has what version of software on here) if different setup procedures are required depending on if you have the retail or Asus version of TMT3.
Seem's strange to me that some people get bitstreaming to work one way and others another. There must be some sort of determining factor?
post #8139 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Davinleeds View Post

Is it incorrect in windows and if you click on each speaker in Xonar CP?

In Xonar spekers test.
post #8140 of 9491
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Originally Posted by jamiee View Post

+1

I'm wondering (and it's a bit hard to tell who has what version of software on here) if different setup procedures are required depending on if you have the retail or Asus version of TMT3.
Seem's strange to me that some people get bitstreaming to work one way and others another. There must be some sort of determining factor?

Yea, I've never figured that out, either. I know with the ASUS TMT3 you need to set it to plain HDMI, but, in retail TMT3 you have to set it to HDMI Pass-Through, as the HDMI setting in the retail version is the most *USELESS PIECE OF GARBAGE MISLEADING SETTING THERE IS*. Did I say that out loud? HDMI in retail = SPDIF. I repeat, HDMI = SPDIF in retail. That means it will only ever bitstream CORE audio, NOT HD. I hate that setting. It causes way too much confusion. So to recap:

HDMI in Asus TMT3
HDMI Pass-Through in retail TMT3
post #8141 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Sebastiii View Post

Hi Tulli,

It's very useful tuto
Thx, i will apply this
Seb.

Sebastii, I corrected step 5 as connection is from GRAPHIC CARD to HDAV's HDMI IN really.

Please let me know if it works for you. Thx.
post #8142 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Sebastii, I corrected step 5 as connection is from GRAPHIC CARD to HDAV's HDMI IN really.

Please let me know if it works for you. Thx.

When I find some free time (bahahahaha, I still haven't found time to run some tests for albain yet) I'm going to have to give this a try cause I'm still having handshaking issues even after disabling the ATI service.
post #8143 of 9491
Really looking forward to see if it works for you too, Samuri. I'm impressed that it worked so well for me.
post #8144 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Really looking forward to see if it works for you too, Samuri. I'm impressed that it worked so well for me.

That's sweet. I hope it fixes my issue, too. I'll see if I can try it tomorrow.
post #8145 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Guys, there's a very easy way to solve handshaking issues.

Instead of steps 3 thru 5,

3. GET AVR EXTENDED EDID BLOCK:
  • - CONNECT THE GRAPHIC CARD TO HDAV HDMI-IN AND HDMI-OUT TO AVR, as usual (for non-HDAV users just connect from GRAPHIC CARD TO AVR).

    - RUN MONINFO TO GET EXTENDED EDID BLOCK FROM AVR: in my case it's a DENON 988. So I look for first entry in Display IDs window with the tag "DENON-AVAMP" and "[Real time ...].

    - SELECT File->Merge extension bloc with INF and SAVE TO Display.inf you saved in Step #2.

Continue to step #6.
post #8146 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Ashley Saldanha View Post

Instead of steps 3 thru 5,

3. GET AVR EXTENDED EDID BLOCK:
  • - CONNECT THE GRAPHIC CARD TO HDAV HDMI-IN AND HDMI-OUT TO AVR, as usual (for non-HDAV users just connect from GRAPHIC CARD TO AVR).

    - RUN MONINFO TO GET EXTENDED EDID BLOCK FROM AVR: in my case it's a DENON 988. So I look for first entry in Display IDs window with the tag "DENON-AVAMP" and "[Real time ...].

    - SELECT File->Merge extension bloc with INF and SAVE TO Display.inf you saved in Step #2.

Continue to step #6.

Yeah, thanks Ashley, have edited the post with your directions. Much, much simpler!
post #8147 of 9491
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

When I find some free time (bahahahaha, I still haven't found time to run some tests for albain yet) I'm going to have to give this a try cause I'm still having handshaking issues even after disabling the ATI service.

Well at least you can find ATI service
post #8148 of 9491
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne View Post

Well at least you can find ATI service

Look for the "AMD External Events Utility" service but, with the EDID override procedure posted before I don't need to disable this service anymore.
post #8149 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Look for the "AMD External Events Utility" service but, with the EDID override procedure posted before I don't need to disable this service anymore.

Hmm must not be included in the 9.10 drivers
post #8150 of 9491
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne View Post

Hmm must not be included in the 9.10 drivers

Did you look in "[Control Panel->]Administrative Tools->Services"?
post #8151 of 9491
This is going to seem like such a simple question, so I apologize in advance. I currently have a DVI-HDMI cable already in-wall. The HDMI end goes into the the audio receiver which goes to the projector. The DVI end is in another room where my htpc is. If I put a DVI-HDMI converter on it, would it have exactly the same functionality as a HDMI-HDMI cable?

I would like to avoid running another cable if possible. Thanks.
post #8152 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

This is going to seem like such a simple question, so I apologize in advance. I currently have a DVI-HDMI cable already in-wall. The HDMI end goes into the the audio receiver which goes to the projector. The DVI end is in another room where my htpc is. If I put a DVI-HDMI converter on it, would it have exactly the same functionality as a HDMI-HDMI cable?

I would like to avoid running another cable if possible. Thanks.

Yes, same functionality in DVI-HDMI and HDMI-HDMI cables.
post #8153 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

That means that there is a handshaking problem with the Nvidia card, as you're not getting the right timings from the display.

So, try plugging/unplugging, switch HDMI input in the receiver, power on and off, rebooting ... you know, all the "magic" that usually works to get a good handshaking, until you see that the Onkyo is properly seen as a AVR by the driver (I get "DENON-AVAMP" displayed with proper handshaking).

Also, DON'T install Splendid ... that's really useless crap.


Ended up installing the ASUS version of TMT3 and everything is working fine again.
post #8154 of 9491
Let me share my problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17460222)

No bitstream @ 23,976 (Asus Xonar 1.3, TMT 3, Win 7 64 / Powerstrip 3.87, ATI 4200)

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The case:

Clean install of Win 7 64 bit using latest drivers / bios / firmware / patches etc for all components / programs (Asus Xonar 1.3 ( 7.12.8.1775), TMT 3 (160), Win 7 64 (Final), ATI 4200/785G (9.10)).

Installed Powerstrip 3.87

Locked @ 23,976, 50 and 60 Hz (single monitor).

Bitstream (HD Audio) works fine @ 50 – 60 but not @ 23,976!

Every 10-30 seconds I see momentarily the DTS Master Audio logo lightning up but it cannot ‘stay synced’.

As I am working with these things for some months now, I am 100% sure that it is not a matter of something not set upped right.

I had no problem with all of my previous setups (previous one (changes): ΑΤΙ 4550, Vista 64, Previous version of Powerstrip).

Any ideas what could be going wrong?

Actually I have many but I would like to know for starters if someone else with a similar setup (Win 7 (32 or 64) / ATI GPU / 23,976 (not 24!) / TMT 3) got it working.
post #8155 of 9491
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Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post

Actually, you're mistaken on this one. In this case Digital SPDIF is different than what we consider SPDIF. It's a setting in Windows sound control panel on the Xonar, and uses HDMI. The only thing it can't do is proper LPCM but it bitstreams all the HD codecs perfectly. Try it and see if it works. Personally I use the Speakers setting myself and have no issue, but, it'd be interesting to see if this makes any difference in your config.

Well i tried all settings over the weekend and still cant get ANY audio with TMT set to hdmi passthrough. I get perfect audio when set to 7.1 but then i dont get any hd audio. I have tried all combos of settings many times over the last few days. Went back to XP SP3 and it works perfect but nothing with win7 64bit. In windows7 audio settings if i change default device from speakers to Xonar spdif then i lose audio with everything. With it set to speakers default i get all audio except bluray using tmt (using hdmi passthrough setting in tmt)

My logic tells me it cant be a h/w issue like denon settings or wireing problem due to it working for almost a year now with XP. It almost has to be a problem with either my EVGA GT8800 driver or the Xonar driver dont it?

Anyway i went back to XP for now but i do miss not being able to hot swap my removable hdd's
post #8156 of 9491
That does seem wrong, yes. I would uninstall the Xonar driver, reboot, reinstall it, reboot again, and reset up the Xonar CP as follows:

Select HDMI
8 channels
48 or 96 (whatever you want)
7.1 speakers

Windows Sound CP:
Set Speakers as the default device

And see if that helps at all.
post #8157 of 9491
Sam, any ideas on my issue?

Have you managed to get 23.976 and bitstreaming working with Win 7 64;
post #8158 of 9491
I won't be able to do that for a very long time. My main HTPC that does bitstreaming is attached to a Sony 50" SXRD tv that doesn't do 24Hz. My bedroom machine is hooked up to a Samsung 40" 120Hz tv that can, but, I don't bitstream and have had MASSIVE problems getting 24Hz to work properly. On that machine I can probably fix it by running ReClock and PDVD9, but, I haven't tried it yet. In any case, I've not used my Xonar for 24Hz ever so I can't help on those issues. It "should" work. Not very comforting, I know. And ReClock is useless for TMT3 and Xonar drivers, so, that's not helpful either.
post #8159 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Yes, same functionality in DVI-HDMI and HDMI-HDMI cables.

Thanks, that saves me from having to run another cable.
post #8160 of 9491
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Originally Posted by spcav View Post

Let me share my problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post17460222)

No bitstream @ 23,976 (Asus Xonar 1.3, TMT 3, Win 7 64 / Powerstrip 3.87, ATI 4200)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The case:

Clean install of Win 7 64 bit using latest drivers / bios / firmware / patches etc for all components / programs (Asus Xonar 1.3 ( 7.12.8.1775), TMT 3 (160), Win 7 64 (Final), ATI 4200/785G (9.10)).

Installed Powerstrip 3.87

Locked @ 23,976, 50 and 60 Hz (single monitor).

Bitstream (HD Audio) works fine @ 50 - 60 but not @ 23,976!

Every 10-30 seconds I see momentarily the DTS Master Audio logo lightning up but it cannot stay synced'.

As I am working with these things for some months now, I am 100% sure that it is not a matter of something not set upped right.

I had no problem with all of my previous setups (previous one (changes): ΑΤΙ 4550, Vista 64, Previous version of Powerstrip).

Any ideas what could be going wrong?

Actually I have many but I would like to know for starters if someone else with a similar setup (Win 7 (32 or 64) / ATI GPU / 23,976 (not 24!) / TMT 3) got it working.

My Gigabyte 4200 MB, even with a discrete 4670 would always come up hdcp not supported. TMT playback with 7.1 lpcm no problem. But that hdcp not supported would not let me include the Xonar, no matter what. Analog no problem.

Changed to a different MB using same ram, cpu, cables, etc ---Xonar bitstreams first try.

Check hdcp.
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