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post #2791 of 3106
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I realized this thread was here after posting about those that have upgraded from an audiophile processor to the Integra 9.9 or some other processor. I have a Theta Casablanca I and unwilling to upgrade to a CBIII plus get DACs to support HDMI and wait for Theta to release their HDMI upgrade that next year costing even more money. All this would add up to a small mortgage.

So has anyone out there upgraded from a Krell, Arcam, Proceed, Theta or some other highend audiophile name to the Integra 9.9 processor? Please supply input on the lossless sound of the 9.9 compared to lossy from an audiophile preamp. I've always been happy with my CBI. Voices sound natural and sound effects such as rain or a heavy door closing sound like I'm in the room instead of just hearing a sound effect as if I'm just watching a movie. I really think with all the advancements made with dacs and design that the 9.9 does a stellar job from what I've read.

Now how does it perform as an analog preamp. It seems some audiophiles are using the 9.9 with a separate preamp for their 2 channel CD listening while others say the 9.9 does a pretty darn good job but obviously doesn't offer the transparency or bloom that a $2k+ preamp does. Still I'm just hoping it would work well with my Naim CD player that is extremely revealing of anything in the music chain not up to the task.

Oh, what is a "B" stock Integra 9.9? I had a PM from an authorized dealer saying they have "B" stock Integra 9.9's for sale? They also say with frt/ins which I have no idea what that means either.

Thanks,
Robert

Here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post14834919


Earl
post #2792 of 3106
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Originally Posted by fr8flyr View Post

Here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post14834919


Earl



Thanks Earl!

I sent you a PM.

Robert
post #2793 of 3106
Okay, I'm starting to get more unsure about the 9.9. Besides the link that Earl provided describing how he upgraded his Casablanca III to the Integra 9.9 with good results, it seems there are a ton of complaints from folks describing something about the 9.9 that doesn't work right or maybe how it should. Yes, I know that threads usually bring out everyone owning a complicated piece like the 9.9 that has an issue or maybe isn't connecting things right but I usually also read a ton of posts about how good the product is and maybe I'm missing those but I haven't been reading many.

Any positive feedback on the 9.9? The reviewers have been acting like it is the processor to end all processors with the mere $2k price tag compared to those costing a lot more. Still I'm wondering about how Intregra addresses issues via firmware updates. Someone said Integra doesn't provide an update over the internet. So how does it work then? You have to take it to your dealer every time there is one? And how about if you move, many dealers don't want to be bothered unless they made the profit from the original sale. I don't know..........lip sync, screen stretching, what outstanding issues still remain with the 9.9. I always run my video straight to my display but having lip sync issues would be a deal breaker for me if lips can't match when watching a movie off Dish Network.
post #2794 of 3106
If you are worried about any possible future firmware updates for the 9.9, there probably won't be anymore more as it is now a discontinued product and the last firmware upgrade for it was quite awhile ago. Not to mention Onkyo/Integra was never really that interested in providing people with the upgrades, and it pretty much became a hunt by owners to find them often times. However, you might be interested in looking into the DHC-9.9 replacement, the DHC-80.1 or it's sister pre-pro the Onkyo PR-SC5507P. They offer quite a few more features than the DHC-9.9, and they also now have easy internet firmware upgrading capabilities. AND, they have actually even had a upgrade already. And a few people who have had the older Integra or Onkyo pre-pro, and replaced them with one of the newer models, have reported that the newer 80.1/5507 also are better performers than the older ones.

The Integra DHC-80.1

http://integrahometheater.com/model....=Separates&p=i

The Onkyo PR-SC5507P

http://www.onkyopro.com/model.cfm?cl...PR-SC5507P&p=i


There are threads on the forums here for both of them.

The Integra 80.1 thread

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1188234

And there are two Onkyo 5507 threads.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=5507

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=5507
post #2795 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Tazishere View Post

Videophiles please forgive my question. I haven't followed this thread because I don't own one of these. Please answer this question. Does this processor have a video zoom feature that gets rid of those letterboxed black bars? I'm not a sophisticated videophile who watches movies with those nasty black bars, so please accept my apologies to those who are offended by my primitive tastes.

No, there is no zoom feature. (Most DVD, Blu-Ray, and TV's have such features.) You know that by getting rid of the bars, you are also getting rid of 30% of the sides of the movie, too, right? And that in many movies, like some of Tarantino's movies, and lots of classics, you'll actually not be able to see key action and characters, because you will have put them off the screen?
post #2796 of 3106
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

No, there is no zoom feature.

On page 119 of the owner's manual it reads that it does have a zoom feature. Your source may be better though. The OPPO BDP-83 does a great job zooming.
post #2797 of 3106
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

So has anyone out there upgraded from a Krell, Arcam, Proceed, Theta or some other highend audiophile name to the Integra 9.9 processor? Please supply input on the lossless sound of the 9.9 compared to lossy from an audiophile preamp.

The difference between the Krell Showcase using lossy versus the 9.9 I now have using lossless is, on many movies, a startling difference. I would not go back to lossy. My hypothesis is the difference most comes out when the audio track was remastered for lossless. DTS HD MA tracks are really something special.

My wife immediately noticed the difference (and I didn't tell her which was what).

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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

Now how does it perform as an analog preamp.

Not so startling. I put a 2 channel Pass Labs preamp in after the 9.9, and restrict the 9.9 to purely digital sources. Much happier.

The cost of a very good analog preamp (especially used) plus a 9.9 SSP is considerably less than a current high end lossless capable, single unit preamp/processor combo.

The 9.9 as was previously mentioned is now "last years model". This year's replacement is the DHC 80.1. The 9.9 had none of the numerous issues the 9.8 had.
post #2798 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

they also now have easy internet firmware upgrading capabilities. AND, they have actually even had a upgrade already.

Thank heavens for that. It does seem Onkyo learned its lesson from the 9.8 firmware fiasco and to their credit caught up to industry best practices.
post #2799 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Eric Carroll View Post

The difference between the Krell Showcase using lossy versus the 9.9 I now have using lossless is, on many movies, a startling difference. I would not go back to lossy. My hypothesis is the difference most comes out when the audio track was remastered for lossless. DTS HD MA tracks are really something special.

My wife immediately noticed the difference (and I didn't tell her which was what).



Not so startling. I put a 2 channel Pass Labs preamp in after the 9.9, and restrict the 9.9 to purely digital sources. Much happier.

The cost of a very good analog preamp (especially used) plus a 9.9 SSP is considerably less than a current high end lossless capable, single unit preamp/processor combo.

The 9.9 as was previously mentioned is now "last years model". This year's replacement is the DHC 80.1. The 9.9 had none of the numerous issues the 9.8 had.



Thanks for the input. It looks like I need to consider the DHC 80.1 or maybe some other model. I hear the Outlaw lossless processor should be releasing soon for around $1,400. It seems I hear good things about this company. I would think they would be very responsive to issues since they sell only via the internet and sure they would do everything first to hopefully prevent many units being shipped back to them since there is a 30 day trial period. No matter what it seems a lot of money can be saved getting one for $2k or less for digital processing and running a separate preamp for music. Thanks for describing the difference between your Krell and Integra. Do you really think it is more of a difference between lossy and lossless or just that the source blu-ray or whatever your using is recorded with much better sound? The reason is that I'm really amazed at the sound quality from blu-ray titles even though my Theta Casablanca only handles lossy. The sound is clearly much better than even the same title on SD DVD.

Robert
post #2800 of 3106
I would not count on the new Outlaw pre-pro being out anytime real soon. It's actually going to be made for them by Sherwood, and won't be available for sale by Outlaw until after Sherwood first comes out with their own branded version of it. And right now Sherwood seems to be having problems with even getting their new receivers working properly, and the pre-pro has yet to be released. And if Sherwood also has similar problems with the pre-pro like they are having with their receivers when it come out, it will likely delay the Outlaw version release even further, or worse carry over the issues to the Outlaw branded version as well.

Currently the best reasonably low cost choices of pre-pro's, looks to be the new Integra 80.1 and it's sister version the Onyo 5507.
And good street pricing seem very favorable on both.
post #2801 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

I would not count on the new Outlaw pre-pro being out anytime real soon. It's actually going to be made for them by Sherwood, and won't be available for sale by Outlaw until after Sherwood first comes out with their own branded version of it. And right now Sherwood seems to be having problems with even getting their new receivers working properly, and the pre-pro has yet to be released. And if Sherwood also has similar problems with the pre-pro like they are having with their receivers when it come out, it will likely delay the Outlaw version release even further, or worse carry over the issues to the Outlaw branded version as well.

Currently the best reasonably low cost choices of pre-pro's, looks to be the new Integra 80.1 and it's sister version the Onyo 5507.
And good street pricing seem very favorable on both.



Okay, thanks for the input, good to know.

So what do you mean about good street pricing seems very favorable on both? How much for the 80.1? Is it really worth waiting to get the 80.1 over the 9.9? I see the 80.1 is a 3 zone 9.2 network preamp/processor. I have a great setup using 5.1 and really don't see a need for 7.1 let alone 9.2 or 3 zone capabilities. There is a dealer I just found with refurbished 9.9 for a little under $1,300. I don't really like the idea of refurbished and not knowing what was hopefully fixed on the unit. The 80.1 already has a firmware update available. I don't really need firmware updates available for the 9.9 but just going by the posts on here and wonder if there are underlying issues that really won't be solved by Integra on the 9.9. Is the 9.9 pretty much a reliable preamp/proc with maybe a few issues that most will never experience? Or are there some basic issues such as lip sync problems? I don't even plan on running video connections through the preamp/proc I buy. I simply have a HD DVD, blu-ray player and HD dish network receiver that I use for audio when watching movies. I don't really have a need for satellite radio etc. I wish there was more of a basic preamp/proc available that concentrated more on the analog preamp abilities and less about multi-zone etc. capabilities.

Robert
post #2802 of 3106
Personally, I think $1300 is actually kind of high for a refurbished 9.9, especially when you take into account that it is now a discontinued model. And also, that the Onkyo version of it, the 886. Was going for just a hair under $1k when it was available direct from Onkyo at shoponkyo.com. Plus, from what I have seen in the Onkyo 5507 threads, some people are getting the newer Onkyo PR-SC5507 pre-pro, for only a few hundred more that what you have been quoted from that dealer on a refurbished 9.9. If it was me, I'd gladly spend a few hundred more for a brand new 5507, over a refurbed 9.9.
post #2803 of 3106
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I wish there was more of a basic preamp/proc available that concentrated more on the analog preamp abilities and less about multi-zone etc. capabilities.


Well if you want to save a few $$$, and don't need XLR outputs, and are willing to sacrifice having 7.1 analog inputs, and also having a less advanced version of Audyssey compared to the 80.1. Then there is also the Integra DHC-40.1 to consider.


http://integrahometheater.com/model....=Separates&p=t

Here is the link for the owners manual, in case you are interested. But I'd guess the lack of the 7.1 analog inputs, might make it not at all what you are looking for.

http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/...2304d7b523a4d5
post #2804 of 3106
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Personally, I think $1300 is actually kind of high for a refurbished 9.9,

I agree! I paid about 33% less than that for a brand new 9.9 with a full warranty ~2 weeks ago.
post #2805 of 3106
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

Thanks for describing the difference between your Krell and Integra. Do you really think it is more of a difference between lossy and lossless or just that the source blu-ray or whatever your using is recorded with much better sound?

I was amazed at the difference between the lossy and lossless tracks, when properly done. It was immediately noticeable and not small.
post #2806 of 3106
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Originally Posted by robertrobert View Post

I don't really need firmware updates available for the 9.9 but just going by the posts on here and wonder if there are underlying issues that really won't be solved by Integra on the 9.9. Is the 9.9 pretty much a reliable preamp/proc with maybe a few issues that most will never experience? Or are there some basic issues such as lip sync problems?

I have not experienced any lip sync issues on the 9.9, and that was the primary reason I held off on the 9.8 until the 9.9 was out. The 9.8 had significant lipsync issues due to additional audio processing delay in the DSPs.

I have run the 9.9 both in front of my Radiance XE (i.e. as an HDMI switcher) and now behind it (i.e. as a non-video processing SSP) with no lipsync issues at all.

Since I bypassed the video processor on the 9.9 I can't speak to that functionality, but as to audio processing, I have no outstanding bugs on the 9.9.

I only use the 9.9 for movies, not two channel audio. I do not use the preamp function of the 9.9 - I have a separate preamp.
post #2807 of 3106
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Originally Posted by bri1270 View Post

I agree! I paid about 33% less than that for a brand new 9.9 with a full warranty ~2 weeks ago.



Thanks everyone for all the replies and feedback.


Hello bri1270,

As for getting a brand new 9.9 for 33% less than $1,300 comes to $871 so where did you get this awesome deal if you don't mind me asking. I sure would like to know since I believe I would be willing to buy very, very soon if I can get that kind of deal.

Robert
post #2808 of 3106
Is there an easy way to switch the HDMI out from Main to Sub? I have my plasma connected to the "main" and my projector to the "sub." I can't find anything in the manual aside from going into setup and so on. Am I missing something? Is there a way to program a Harmony to switch it?
post #2809 of 3106
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Hello bri1270,

As for getting a brand new 9.9 for 33% less than $1,300 comes to $871 so where did you get this awesome deal if you don't mind me asking. I sure would like to know since I believe I would be willing to buy very, very soon if I can get that kind of deal.

Robert


Sorry Robert, that was a typo, it was actually 23%.
post #2810 of 3106
I find that if I hook up my subs via XLR's and the rest of the speakers via RCA to amp, I get a ground loop hum.The hum comes from main speakers. If I switch the subs to RCA's , the hum goes away. Any ideas?

XLR cables are from Emotiva. RCA cables are from Monster.

I want to run the Jl f113's as two masters.
post #2811 of 3106
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Originally Posted by thecutter View Post

I find that if I hook up my subs via XLR's and the rest of the speakers via RCA to amp, I get a ground loop hum.The hum comes from main speakers. If I switch the subs to RCA's , the hum goes away. Any ideas?

XLR cables are from Emotiva. RCA cables are from Monster.

I want to run the Jl f113's as two masters.

Use a 3/2 plug and float the ground on the sub power cord.


Earl
post #2812 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Stevetd View Post

On page 119 of the owner's manual it reads that it does have a zoom feature. Your source may be better though. The OPPO BDP-83 does a great job zooming.

My bad. I was thinking of the 9.8. Sorry about that.
post #2813 of 3106
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Originally Posted by bri1270 View Post

Is there an easy way to switch the HDMI out from Main to Sub? I have my plasma connected to the "main" and my projector to the "sub." I can't find anything in the manual aside from going into setup and so on. Am I missing something? Is there a way to program a Harmony to switch it?

Don't know about the Harmony, but my MX-800 has discretes for each output (main, sub, analog) along with a command that cycles through them. I use them in macros for my kitchen TV and my projector.

Contact Logitech and ask them to add support for these if they don't have it already. I hear they're good about adding stuff to their database.
post #2814 of 3106
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Originally Posted by bri1270 View Post

Is there an easy way to switch the HDMI out from Main to Sub? I have my plasma connected to the "main" and my projector to the "sub." I can't find anything in the manual aside from going into setup and so on. Am I missing something? Is there a way to program a Harmony to switch it?

I'm surprised (I just checked myself) that the Harmony database does not have the output select commands for the 9.9... it is a standard command in the Onkyo 876, 886 and 906 databases.

I would suggest that you use the database for the 9.9's twin, the Onkyo PR-SC886, which definitely does have the commands (HdmiNo, HdmiMain, HdmiSub, HdmiWrap) in the standard database.

You can also have Harmony add the command (along with MANY more discrete commands that are available for these units - such as direct access to listening modes, Audyssey modes, output resolutions, etc). There is more info HERE along with the original Onkyo spreadsheet documenting all of the available IR codes.
post #2815 of 3106
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I would suggest that you use the database for the 9.9's twin, the Onkyo PR-SC886, which definitely does have the commands (HdmiNo, HdmiMain, HdmiSub, HdmiWrap) in the standard database.

Thanks jcalabria - I just added the 886! That should save some aggro! Appreciate the help.
post #2816 of 3106
I am no longer hearing the low frequency augmentation as the volume goes down. I have MultiEQXT activated. Any ideas? It used to work beautifully. Neither the bass nor the volume of the rears and sides increases relative to the fronts as I lower main volume..
post #2817 of 3106
Can one set up the 9.9 so that it outputs the left and right main via the XLR connections and the other channels via the RCA outs? I'm basically wondering if both RCA and XLR outputs are 'hot' at the same time.

I am thinking of actively crossing my main speakers and would like to use the XLR outs for that, but leave my other speakers as they are with the RCA out.
post #2818 of 3106
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Originally Posted by Rudy81 View Post

Can one set up the 9.9 so that it outputs the left and right main via the XLR connections and the other channels via the RCA outs? I'm basically wondering if both RCA and XLR outputs are 'hot' at the same time.

I am thinking of actively crossing my main speakers and would like to use the XLR outs for that, but leave my other speakers as they are with the RCA out.

The XLR & RCA are active at the same time, but at different line levels. So you will need to readjust the level settings when you change your main speakers to XLR from RCA to hold the same reference volume levels.
post #2819 of 3106
I use both balanced and unbalanced connections. Because I have speakers that vary in efficiency by more than 10dB, I had to put in a preamp between the 9.9 and the amp in order to pad down the really efficient EV bass reflex/horns that I use for my back-rear surrounds. When you add the XLR/RCA level difference to the efficiency issue, Audyssey can not compensate sufficiently. Make sure you do not get any -12 or +12 readings when you are finished.
post #2820 of 3106
bri1270

I would like to know if you will the dealer you got your 9.9 from. I have a 9.9 and I would like to buy the 80.1 Im wondering what your dealer would sell the 80.1 for.
Any help would be sweet thankyou

chester
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