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post #31 of 159
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Sony has now backtracked even further on internal dts-MA decoding. The features page on the S550 at SonyStyle used to say dts-MA would be available with a firmware update. That language is now gone.

So, the initial announcement for the player said it would include dts-MA decoding. Then, Sony said dts-MA decoding would be delayed. Now, it's not even mentioned. The player is described as having TrueHD decoding with dts-MA available via bitstream. That's kind of distressing for those of us who need to use analog for lossless audio. Panasonic may have the only moderately priced player with dts-MA decoding for awhile.

With analog, you need to tell the player about your speaker arrangement, much the same as you do when setting up a receiver. If you enter a 5.1 configuration, the player will downmix 7.1 sources to 5.1 so that you don't lose the audio from the unused channels.

Analog also means the player has to handle bass management and other similar tasks that are usually handled by the receiver for digital audio.

Ah, thanks BIslander! That makes sense to me - about how the 7.1 channels can get downmixed to 5.1 so one doesn't lose audio information.

What doesn't make a lot of sense is what Sony is doing! They'd got a feature, then they'll add it later via firmware, then they won't mention it at all. That's nuts and messes up my buying decisions and those of other people, no doubt. Thanks very much for the "head's up" on that! Maybe that Panasonic BD55 is in my future yet. BTW, I got the new Crutchfield - they generally charge full list price on everything - and they've got the Sony 550 for only $399. That sounds good but not if they are chopping features!

Thanks again,
SNazz123
post #32 of 159
I'm a Blu newbie and I've been monitoring this forum for 6 months now.
I finally have my 1st Blu player down to the Panasonic DMP-BD 55 VS Sony BDP-S550.
I just can't make that final leap and choose one.
Can anyone provide an argument one way ro the other?
post #33 of 159
I'm actually between the 35 and the 550, waiting to see if the 550 does DTS-MA decoding. If it does, then I'll probably go with the 550; if not, then the 35.
post #34 of 159
I picked the Panny 55 for several reasons They have a history of making great Dvd players(dating back at least to my RP91), it's $100. less, and the Sony has a blue faceplate and all my equipment is black. It's all in a closed cabinet, but still, when I open it up the blue face would jump out at me.
post #35 of 159
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Originally Posted by jbernardis View Post

I'm actually between the 35 and the 550, waiting to see if the 550 does DTS-MA decoding. If it does, then I'll probably go with the 550; if not, then the 35.

From the SonyStyle site, for the 550-
"Dolby® TrueHD internal decoding: Dolby® TrueHD internal decoding and bitstream output via HDMI for the Dolby TrueHD and dts®-HD (Master Audio and High Resolution Audio) codes delivers studio quality audio designed specifically for high definition entertainment like Blu-ray Disc movies, with up to 7.1 channels of surround sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original studio version."

Not sure if this says what you are looking for, specifically.
post #36 of 159
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Originally Posted by jclem View Post

and the Sony has a blue faceplate and all my equipment is black.

Same reason I'm not considering the Sony 350/550 Players.


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post #37 of 159
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Originally Posted by BruZZi View Post

Same reason I'm not considering the Sony 350/550 Players.


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So which one of these will do a better job for regualr DVD's? Guess we will have to wait and see.
post #38 of 159
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From the SonyStyle site, for the 550-
"Dolby® TrueHD internal decoding: Dolby® TrueHD internal decoding and bitstream output via HDMI for the Dolby TrueHD and dts®-HD (Master Audio and High Resolution Audio) codes delivers studio quality audio designed specifically for high definition entertainment like Blu-ray Disc movies, with up to 7.1 channels of surround sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the original studio version."

Not sure if this says what you are looking for, specifically.


Thanks for the info - I was aware of what the web site says - this was recently changed - it used to say full decoding but now it implies that it won't do the dts-HD-MA decoding. There is a debate going on in another thread as to how to interpret the new language. The bottom line is that I'm not going to make a decision based on a spec sheet; I'm waiting for a full review after some units get out there. I am still holding out hope.
post #39 of 159
Are there any reviews of Sony´s S550?
post #40 of 159
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

So which one of these will do a better job for regualr DVD's? Guess we will have to wait and see.

Chris Boylan's review of the BD55 was published today HERE in Big Picture Big Sound. He gives the BD55 high marks for DVD playback, which is a change from earlier Panasonic players.

The S350 and S550 are very similar. The S350 is out already, of course, so reviews and user comments about it are good sources of information about how the S550 will perform.

dts-MA decoding on the S550 is unknown. The language on the Sony product sheet has changed a couple of times in the last month and some vendor sites have different descriptions than the Sony site. There have been extensive discussions about all of this in several threads and there is simply not an answer at the moment.

The preorder price for both players is $399.
post #41 of 159
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

Chris Boylan's review of the BD55 was published today HERE in Big Picture Big Sound. He gives the BD55 high marks for DVD playback, which is a change from earlier Panasonic players.


Thanks, I saw that review after my reply, good info for sure.
post #42 of 159
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

So which one of these will do a better job for regualr DVD's? Guess we will have to wait and see.

All of the reviews I've seen give these results for upconverting standard DVDs (i.e. over the HDMI connection).

I was wondering which of these models does a better job with regular DVDs when played through the component connection, or if they're all pretty much the same.

I think I must be the only one here who has a TV without an HDMI port (so up-conversion is a non-issue for me).

Has anyone used one of the new Sony/Panasonic players for non-upconverted SD-DVD viewing?
post #43 of 159
wow I just almost created this thread myself. These 2 are what I'm looking for.
post #44 of 159
In Europe the Sony will be 100 euros cheaper. So that´s an advantage.
post #45 of 159
CNet says the DMP-BD55 is the best blu-ray player there is, but that you should get the DMP-BD35 instead.


The Panasonic DMP-BD55 is the best standalone Blu-ray we've tested and it's a good choice for those with older receivers, but most people will get the same performance out of the cheaper DMP-BD35.

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...?tag=mncol;lst
post #46 of 159
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Originally Posted by caa100 View Post

CNet says the DMP-BD55 is the best blu-ray player there is, but that you should get the DMP-BD35 instead.


The Panasonic DMP-BD55 is the best standalone Blu-ray we've tested and it's a good choice for those with older receivers, but most people will get the same performance out of the cheaper DMP-BD35.

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-player...?tag=mncol;lst

Unless you have an excellent sounding receiver without HDMI like my HK7200.
It is hard to give up a tested 142 watts per channel with 5 channels driven just for a newer receiver that has HDMI and decodes when I can pay $100 more for the BD55 which decodes all internally.
post #47 of 159
If Sony comes through with the audio support they've claimed in the past (that is now suspect) - these players are virtually identical from a feature standpoint. They both match my needs of internally decoding the high-end audio and having the 7.1 analog out I need.
I guess it all comes down to things like picture-quality (which is subjective) and load times - maybe also functionality and audio management (if they have any at all).

Are there reasons I'm missing if these have the same price and feature set? Why would I pick one over the other?
post #48 of 159
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Originally Posted by joedeath View Post

Are there reasons I'm missing if these have the same price and feature set? Why would I pick one over the other?

You need to examine your needs and the players' features rather carefully. Do you want "source direct" to feed the video to an external processor. Do you have a display where the new deep color features could potentially improve the picture quality. How important is DVD playback? There are many specific features that may or may not matter to you beyond the big ones such as dts-MA player decoding. And these players may differ on those features.
post #49 of 159
Also same boat here. Had planned on the Sony 550 as I expected better DVD playback, but these reviews of the Panasonic's DVD capabilities has made me think again. They're now both the same price ($399) on Amazon, should be identical in all Blu-ray playback respects, I expect either will be a great choice. The determining factor for a lot of folks might be simply who gets their player out to retailers first! (I have a pre-order on the Pansonic as it stands, but will change if Sony's player become availble much earlier...)
post #50 of 159
For BD-Live... Sony has a USB port w/ 1gb thumb drive included. Panasonic has a SD card reader. I would think the USB port would be better.... You could hook up anything to that... external hard drives, any kind of card reader... you get the point.

Also, it looks as though the Sony has started to ship.
post #51 of 159
If you plan on using the 7.1 analog outs, and you're fussy about sound, then you should keep in mind that the Sony has a nicer analog section. Also its much more solidly built.
post #52 of 159
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Originally Posted by scanspeak View Post

If you plan on using the 7.1 analog outs, and you're fussy about sound, then you should keep in mind that the Sony has a nicer analog section. Also its much more solidly built.

Can you explain your statement? Don't both have 7.1 analog out? Thanks
post #53 of 159
I am not sure you can use the Sony 350 as a comparison. I thought the 550 was going to use the Sigma chip and the 350 was using the NEC chip. Did this change. The Sony is now list as coming out the 6th of October. i wonder if is it moved up because the Panasonic are coming out byu the end of October.
post #54 of 159
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Originally Posted by scanspeak View Post

If you plan on using the 7.1 analog outs, and you're fussy about sound, then you should keep in mind that the Sony has a nicer analog section. Also its much more solidly built.

What's nicer about the Sony analog section? I hadn't heard that before.
post #55 of 159
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

What's nicer about the Sony analog section? I hadn't heard that before.

Maybe they both have been released already in AUS and he has purchased both and performed some extensive listening tests with the proper equipment. But most likely he is giving an opinion based on perception.
post #56 of 159
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Originally Posted by keeper View Post

Can you explain your statement? Don't both have 7.1 analog out? Thanks

First I'd heard of it, too, especially since Panasonic has touted high-end components for audio output and Sony hasn't.
post #57 of 159
I have one if anyone wants a copy to get details on what to choose. I got it from Tech support on the Sony web page

Emails me, i think it should show in my profile
post #58 of 159
do you guys agree with the CNET recommend to get the 35 over the 55?
post #59 of 159
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Originally Posted by fribb34 View Post

do you guys agree with the CNET recommend to get the 35 over the 55?

If you have an HDMI receiver.

There is also some talk of the 55 possibly having a different video circuit board but it remains to be seen if, in fact, it does & if it makes a noticeable difference.
post #60 of 159
Has anyone seen a head to head comparision/review of the Sony and the Panny?

I'm debating between the two.

Thanks
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