Mitsubishi HC7000 - Page 2

The epson isn't going to be released till next month or later so I doubt anyone is going to have a review anytime soon.

PC http://www.projectorcentral.com/mits...tor_review.htm

I was on this site earlier today and didn't see this. Thanks for the link.

Would stay away from this site as they appear to actually be Broadway Photo. See resellerratings.com for more info. Dead giveaway is that there is no company address on their site.

I actually called that site awhile ago and to see if they actually had it in stock, but they gave me a strange feeling so I just hung up the phone. If you order from them supposedly the bulb doesn't come with the projector and you have to buy it seperately. Most importantly the warrenty will probably not be covered since it is an internet sale.

DO NOT buy from those sites!!!! Go to resellerratings.com. They have terrible reviews. Go to AVS or to the Mitsu Elec. site and find an authorized dealer list.

I have a 92" 16x9 screen, 15.5' from lens, shelf mounted. Seems the 7000 may just fit this situation.

Never sure if this unit would be considered zoomed out all the way or zoomed in all the way?

Read that zoomed out is best as more light is passed from Projector in a concentrated beam?

I think you mean 15.5' from the lens. From what i can determine, this projector's max throw distance would be 16' for that size screen, so you should be okay. It is considered zoomed out.

yes 15.5', thanks.

So how does this translate into zoomed all the way "out" or "in"?

Is this focusing a more precise beam of light?

I've read closer is better, with less loss of light?

well according to projectorcentral's calculator it seems that the max throw for 92in screen is 15.2ft.

Yes, closer to the screen gives the higher light output, further back gives higher contrast.

"Yes, closer to the screen gives the higher light output, further back gives higher contrast."

That makes sense, thanks.

There is a discussion in the JVC thead about lens aperture, that is another concern I have.

So if the Mits.7000 is 15'2" away from lens to screen, is this lens "wide open" as in a wider lens aperture, zoomed out letting more light pass through or "stopped down" as in a smaller lens aperture / opening zoomed in. I would think, zoomed in?

Seems higher contrast is a good thing in a light controlled environment, yet not so good in a uncontrolled room.

Thanks

If 15' is the max throw, the zoom will be closed in and you will be at the minimum light output. Max light output will be at the closest to the screen (shortest throw).

I have the hc6500. I am going to be 12'9" from screen to front of lens. I was going to be at 15', but I want more brightness. The calculator at projectorcentral helped me to see how location and screen gain affect my picture. YMMV

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mine should be in early next week. ill let you all know my uneducated opinion when it arrives.

for those of you that have it how are you guys mounting it? Rather what mounts are you using? I was thinking about shelf mounting it but a 17in deep shelf wouldn't look the nicest to me. Better yet post those pics!!!

I've got a hc7000 and mounted it with a chief rpm elite from the ceiling.

I've seen it side by side with the jvc rs-1/hd1 and it's better in every regard IMO.
I also put it up against the epson pro cinema 1080ub in my own room. The Epson is brighter overall but the mits has excellent contrast and black levels and the colors are better out of the box. The brightness is pretty close if you use the better video modes.
It would be nice if the lense shift had more range but I can deal with that.

how would you compare the black levels against the 1080ub? To me black levels are very important which is why I choose this one over the hc6500. For some reason if the black bars are not black enough I can't enjoy the movie and end up stareing at the bars.

Well, the HC7000 is a very nice machine. However for starters, it certainly cannot compete with the fill factor of a D-ILA machine. So, if your are sitting closer to the screen D-ILA certainly has its advantages. Secondly the HC7000 needs a DI to produce similar On/Off results as an HD100, so there is always a point where a HD100 is superior in picture dynamics.

If you want an excellent machine with state of the art LCD projector quality that is virtually silent, the HC7000 is certainly your best bet.

when you say "fill factor" what do you mean by that? Sorry newb here and this is my first projector. Also please explain DI. The JVC units I heard are extremely nice but, out of my budget. It sucks that, living in hawaii I have only seen 2 projectors in action, the vw40 and vw60. No other retailer big or small have say a panasonic, mitsu, or any other projector for demo. So diving into the projector realm has pretty much been a blind buy for me.

If you sit and analyze every little characteristic, then yes, there are areas where the JVC may be better. I don't do that when I sit down to watch a movie. Put them up side by side and take in the entire picture as a whole, each on their own screen, playing the same source, and the hc7000u had the more appealing picture IMO.

In regards to the epson, their was a noticeable difference in overall black level. The only calibration done to either machine was with the get grey dvd. Quick and dirty but both were set up similiarly based on that disc.
I had them both playing at the same time and jumped back and forth covering up the other's lense.

Have you seen Pana AE3000 and Epson6500/7500?

Yes, I have seen them all up close during IFA and I even provided an HTPC for Epson to demo the 7500 during the entire fair. However the 7500#s firmware (or TW5000 as it will be called in Germany/Europe) was not the final version to come. The Epson to me will be the first alternative to the Mitsu 7000. The Panasonic I also saw in the dealers' booth during IFA but was not as convinced as with the others. The differences will be incremental and maybe a matter of subjective taste.

Sorry for that. 'Fill factor' means the ratio of light vs. black surrounding the pixels (the less black the better obviously). The sharp (dark) edges arround the pixels are sometimes mistaken as 'sharpness' (though they are only an artefact). Google for fill factor, you will find some picture material to explain better.

DI (dynamic iris) is also discussed a lot these days in the forum and everywhere else. It helps to increase the dynamic range of a projector (in theory without artefacts) by closing and opening an iris in the pathway of a projector. Of course there has to be heavy gamma adjustment to make this work (so in reality you have to live with more or less artefacting introduced by the DI as there is no ideal implementation so far, at least I haven't seen one).

Well, that is oviously a subjective choice how much 'better' a picture you are willing to pay for. I personally still take the JVC HD100/RS2 as the best choice with respect to picture quality versus price.

However, there is no contest of any LCD at the moment with an HD100 when you inspect picture dynamics (contrast while watching a real movie leaving all lab numbers aside).

Still, the HC7000 has two clear strong points: Price and it is totally silent. For some these may be the two most important points.

Thanks for clearing that up. As far as dynamic iris goes, a good isf calibrator should be able to calibrate with the iris on correct? Reason I ask is because the guy I bought mines from offers free isf calibration with purchase and also, the review posted above seems to praise the iris on the hc7000.

On another note it sucks having everything come in this week but the projector. I've been refusing to watch my new blurays on my LCD because I'd rather see them first on the big screen. Should be here just in time for Hulk though....hopefully....it damn well better be here.

Business as usal! Always "misty"

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Yes, the so called 'diamond iris' is certainly state of the art. I am still waiting on the first HC7000 to arrive, what I have seen in special screenigs so far was quite impressive.

finally my projector has come in. I'll write up my first impressions but don't expect anything to professional. This is after all my first projector and all I really have to compare it against is my ln46a650 samsung.