Originally Posted by penngray
Heck, why do people buy BOSE?
I was up in Canada this past week to see some buddies I have not seen in years. I was at my one friends house who has done very well for himself...6000 sqft home, beautiful Man's room in the basement, huge bar, pool table, 110" screen, Epson 1080p projector and........
BTW, I did not say a word but that is a normal situation out there
To me it has nothing to do with the $$$$ you spend because AGAIN $$$ does not predict performance in Audio. I can build a pair of speakers that cost me under $500 that blow away anything, YES ANYTHING even 10 times the price so lets not even debate more $$$ is better sound. While people argue on here about $$$/performance, I always wonder why people do not just build their own perfect spaeker?
Its more about finding the sound you love ignoring the $$$, if you find that for $500 who cares if someone had to go up to $2K or 5K for something they like.
The other point here is that you just have to go into BB or CC to find out why displays and not speakers are where the $$$ go.....HORRIBLE speaker selections is the reason.
We all know about AV123, Ascend, Axiom.....and so on because of forums like this but what about the 95% of all people going to BB and CC, they know squat and have little chance of really finding their best speaker.
Part of the problem I see is that people here have different goals. Some people want to shoot for the perfect speaker setup and are willing to spend the money and/or the time to build the expertise needed. And I absolutely have no problem with that. In fact, I actually respect the knowledge and the effort needed to make that happen.
But, and this is sort of the point I've been trying to make, those people are a small minority. There's a much larger group of people who are fairly knowledgeable, but aren't willing to devote the time and money in pursuit of the best. They have limits on time or budget and come here looking for advice to buy the best the can within those limits. There are also quite a few people who are completely clueless. Of those, some will remain that way, but most will eventually find their way. Some will even eventually join the ranks of the enthusiasts.
But, if we take a step back for a moment and look at how these 1-post people are often dealt with, it isn't pretty. Some guy posts that he's looking for a sub and he has around $200 to spend and someone with a couple thousand posts drops in and tells they guy that he really shouldn't even bother unless he spends at least $500. Now, for the person answering the post, his standards in audio gear are quite high; for him this is more than a simple hobby, he's an enthusiast. For him, a $500 sub would probably be bottom of the barrel. But, for the original poster in this situation, $500 is just too much for him to spend on a sub. Some people can only afford to spend so much on their gear, others aren't willing to spend the money and prefer to spend it elsewhere. What ever the reason, the guy just wants to spend around $200, he doesn't need to get slapped down for that and treated like some sort of home theater hillbilly. While an enthusiast would cringe at a $200 sub, most people could be quite happy with one, assuming they buy a GOOD
So, if you are an enthusiast, just take time to realize that you have higher standards than most, but that doesn't mean that everyone sees things the same. Some people may be completely ignorant of the benefits of top-shelf A/V gear, some people may not care to devote the time or money, and a lot of people can be completely happy with an entire system that costs less than some enthusiasts will spend on a single speaker.
Now, with Bose, that's a different story. For some reason, a LOT of people think of Bose as the pinnacle of sound quality. They wind up spending nearly as much as the enthusiast, but getting less sound quality than the budget guy.
Finally, you hit on another point that I think confuses beginners. Anyone who's been around these forums for a while knows that there are some 1st rate speaker companies that only sell online, such as AV123. We also know that the big box stores generally carry gear that aims for the bottom third of the market, where the volume is. But, for a lot of people, the local Best Buy may be there only local source for speakers in their price range. So, when someone posts asking for opinions on speaker brand and model X vs. brand and model Y, people with experience with either should offer their thoughts. Telling that person that the only way is to audition the speakers in person is sort of a cop out. Yes, that is the best way to do it, but for far too many people, it isn't practical. I have relatives who would need to drive 150 miles to find the nearest electronics store, and the selection there pales next to what even Circuit City or Best Buy has. They simply can't audition speakers. Heck, I have a Circuit City and a couple of Best Buys, but auditioning there is a crap-shoot. I seriously doubt they have the receiver calibrated to the speakers I'm listening to, and the room and layout is all over the place. I do have some local boutique stores to visit, but they are priced out of my budget. That is another example of where people could do more to help newbies instead of the "if you can't audition the speakers yourself, don't bother" approach.
In the end, the money spent on equipment doesn't necessarily reflect the actual quality and especially doesn't reflect how much enjoyment the purchaser will get out of it. Sometimes, people forget these things, and can come across as a snob.