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post #61 of 335
when in videotaping mode, why does it take such a long time(10 to 12 seconds) after the picture
is taken for the picture to be written to the memory?(both internal and SDHC card) I also tried it
using a Sandisk Extreme III SDHC card rated at 30MB/s, but it made no difference...


thanks!
post #62 of 335
Ok so I installed the useless software that came with the HF11... ZoomBrowser & EOS utility. Useless because it's for a camera.. not the camcorder.

So, how do I transfer video over to my PC and retain the vivid quality that I see when I playback the video on the camcorder/viewfinder or my plasma?

I carried over the entire AVCHD folder and when I run the file out of the STREAM directory on the PC... the video is still dull/darker then what it is on the camera.

Please help, thanks.
post #63 of 335
have you adjusted the gamma on your monitor?

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfin...r_test_pattern
post #64 of 335
OSV... you rock!... and I feel a bit dumb at the same time.

That gamma link was really helpful. I checked it out and it looks like it is my monitor. I'm using a DELL2007FP @ 1200x1600x32 res... and after I started to tamper with the display menu (after over a year of owning this monitor), and then the NVIDIA display settings, I was able to adjust the video -really close- to what it is on the camera.

The positive is that after adjusting the brightness/contrast/gamma up by about .2 and most of all the "Digital Vibrance" to low or medeium (instead of none), then it started to look like the camera.

The negative is that after looking at the URL you gave me, it seems that my monitor is indeed messed up because my gamma settings are way off from what I think they should be at. At the same time, while the video looks good... everything else/desctop/etc is...well maybe a bit too vibrant.

Whatever the case, I think this tells me that the video itself is fine. It's accurate on the camera & accurate on my plasma (which are really bright compared to LCD anyway so that makes sense).

Anyway... thanks I don't know why I didn't tinker with the monitor settings to begin with... probably because I was ignorant to think that the monitor was fine.
post #65 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

Yes, we all def appreciate your contribution! Thanks again.

Let me know when the rest of the review is up and if you would like to share some clips...

Is there a website where people can upload AVCHD for sharing and comparing?

I have a bunch of filters, tele-, and wide converters from my previous
HV20. They are all 43mm.... the HF11 is 37mm. if I get a 37mm-to-43mm
step-up adapter, will I have any problems? (especially with the wide
converter)

Thanks for your advice!
post #66 of 335
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

when in videotaping mode, why does it take such a long time(10 to 12 seconds) after the picture
is taken for the picture to be written to the memory?(both internal and SDHC card) I also tried it
using a Sandisk Extreme III SDHC card rated at 30MB/s, but it made no difference...


thanks!

taking stills is going to take longer than recording video...it even says it in the manual
post #67 of 335
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

Is there a website where people can upload AVCHD for sharing and comparing?

I have a bunch of filters, tele-, and wide converters from my previous
HV20. They are all 43mm.... the HF11 is 37mm. if I get a 37mm-to-43mm
step-up adapter, will I have any problems? (especially with the wide
converter)

Thanks for your advice!

Not sure what you mean by AVCHD ( by the time you out the video out into a playable format it has changed to either a mp4 avi mov etc......if you want check out vimeo.com
The best prosumer/pro video site for HD and professional edited content....

About your lenses....no you should not have a problem with getting a step down ring...
post #68 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

Not sure what you mean by AVCHD ( by the time you out the video out into a playable format it has changed to either a mp4 avi mov etc......if you want check out vimeo.com
The best prosumer/pro video site for HD and professional edited content....

About your lenses....no you should not have a problem with getting a step down ring...

I think he's talking about playing the source .mts or m2ts/m2tx directly.. .mts/m2ts are playable formats... which a number of players recognize (and -expensive-if-you-buy- editors) with out any conversions.
post #69 of 335
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I think he's talking about playing the source .mts or m2ts/m2tx directly.. .mts/m2ts are playable formats... which a number of players recognize (and -expensive-if-you-buy- editors) with out any conversions.

Ive yet to find a player that will play these natively....if you can tell me Id love to know!!!
post #70 of 335
WinDVD 9 understand .mtx/.m2ts

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli...0&tabview=tab0
post #71 of 335
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WinDVD 9 understand .mtx/.m2ts

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli...0&tabview=tab0

Cool...looks like a slick program
post #72 of 335
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Ive yet to find a player that will play these natively....if you can tell me Id love to know!!!

the free vlc media player will do it, and there is a mac version, but i think that it doesn't offload the decoding to the video card, so playback at the full framerate could be an issue, if you don't have a fast quad-core computer.

on the pc side, i have the nero package, which includes the xlnt showtime player, it'll playback 24Mbps at the full framerate, but i don't know if there is a mac version of that?
post #73 of 335
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Originally Posted by cgerikh View Post

OSV... you rock!... and I feel a bit dumb at the same time.

That gamma link was really helpful. I checked it out and it looks like it is my monitor. I'm using a DELL2007FP @ 1200x1600x32 res... and after I started to tamper with the display menu (after over a year of owning this monitor), and then the NVIDIA display settings, I was able to adjust the video -really close- to what it is on the camera.

it's difficult to get the proper gamma out of an lcd monitor... unless you spend a lot of money, lcds just aren't capable of displaying the deep blacks that video and photo work requires.

if you scroll halfway down this camera review page, and look at the gamma strip, you should be able to see all of the squares, on both ends of the picture... if two or more squares are blending together, and you can't differentiate between 'em, your monitor is out of adjustment:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos50d/

set the monitor gamma properly, don't set it by the camera footage... same for your plasma, get one of those dvd test discs, and set the gamma up by that.

then shoot some footage, and set the camcorder lcd up so that it looks as close as possible to the computer monitor and the plasma... the camcorder lcd is the cheapest of the bunch, so it should not be relied on unless absolutely necessary.
post #74 of 335
Thread Starter 
yea the VLC doesnt I get audio but the video craps out...no quad core here

Looks like ill use Final Cut and imovie
post #75 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

yea the VLC doesnt I get audio but the video craps out...no quad core here

Looks like ill use Final Cut and imovie

I used to play my HDV video files using VLC player. The HDV files were straight from my old Canon HV20 camcorder.

The VLC doesn't seem to like AVCHD files.

However, I've been playing AVCHD files using "K-Lite Codec Pack" without
any problems. (after a little interlacing adjustment, depending on the
monitor) It uses "Media Player Classic"(not the Microsoft one) This codec
pack doesn't seem to works on every computer, however... it only seems to
work on my cheap(bought for $250 on a Black Friday sale) home PC which is
5 years old.
post #76 of 335
do most HF11 owners prefer to shoot video using internal memory or
SDHC cards?


I have a few 8GB and 16GB SDHC cards, all Class 6. I find myself
only using the SDHC cards for now, because it's easier to simply
take the cards out and transfer to my PC....

speaking of SDHC cards... will the HF11 accept 64GB SDHC cards,
if one ever becomes available?(which is very likely in the next few
months...)
post #77 of 335
are there any previous HV20/HV30 owners who are
now HF11 owners?

if so, do you see any difference between HDV video files
and AVCHD files?(shot in MXP speed, 24mbps only)

after days of trying, I honest cannot tell any difference
between the two... I'm a very picky person when it comes
to picture quality. I can spend hours just glue to the HDTV
just to see which one(HDV or 24mbps AVCHD) shows my
cat's whiskers more clearly....

on the other hand, is it a good thing that I cannot tell the
difference?
post #78 of 335
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

do most HF11 owners prefer to shoot video using internal memory or
SDHC cards?


I have a few 8GB and 16GB SDHC cards, all Class 6. I find myself
only using the SDHC cards for now, because it's easier to simply
take the cards out and transfer to my PC....

speaking of SDHC cards... will the HF11 accept 64GB SDHC cards,
if one ever becomes available?(which is very likely in the next few
months...)

If you can afford a 64GB SDHC card then more power to you...havent heard of any coming out anytime soon...but say they do...you can probably buy 10 16GB for the price of the 64...anways I just shoot on the internal memory the way I transfer my clips to my mac doesnt matter what I use...i just create a disk image and dump my footage from the day onto there and then erase the cam so it starts fresh every day...



Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

are there any previous HV20/HV30 owners who are
now HF11 owners?

if so, do you see any difference between HDV video files
and AVCHD files?(shot in MXP speed, 24mbps only)

after days of trying, I honest cannot tell any difference
between the two... I'm a very picky person when it comes
to picture quality. I can spend hours just glue to the HDTV
just to see which one(HDV or 24mbps AVCHD) shows my
cat's whiskers more clearly....

on the other hand, is it a good thing that I cannot tell the
difference?

I too henry can spend hours comparing and such...I hate myself for it..but I know I will get the best possibly quality and settings....Yes it is a good thing you cant tell the difference...all reviews I have read about the HF11 puts it at or above the HDV formats....
post #79 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

If you can afford a 64GB SDHC card then more power to you...havent heard of any coming out anytime soon...but say they do...you can probably buy 10 16GB for the price of the 64...anways I just shoot on the internal memory the way I transfer my clips to my mac doesnt matter what I use...i just create a disk image and dump my footage from the day onto there and then erase the cam so it starts fresh every day...

That's true... I suspect a 64GB SDHC will probably cost around $300 each.

How long does it usually take you to download the videos from the HF11's
internal memory to your computer?

Thanks!
post #80 of 335
Quote:
Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

Is there a website where people can upload AVCHD for sharing and comparing?

I have a bunch of filters, tele-, and wide converters from my previous
HV20. They are all 43mm.... the HF11 is 37mm. if I get a 37mm-to-43mm
step-up adapter, will I have any problems? (especially with the wide
converter)

Thanks for your advice!

www.Vimeo.com
post #81 of 335
Thread Starter 
OK ONE HUGE GRIPE..the lcd viewfinder does NOT show you exactly what you are recording...its actually cuts out about 5% of the frame...So in reality what you see in the viewfinder is less than what will appear on the final clip


this may seem like nothing..but when you have a green screen and lights that are close to the edges of the screen it is...

When i go to edit I have to end up cropping my clips which shouldnt happen..Now I have to GUESS if the camera is in frame....

Beware the LCD viewfinder is not even close to being accurate when it comes to framing the subject...its about 5%-7% more zoomed in than you think
post #82 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

OK ONE HUGE GRIPE..the lcd viewfinder does NOT show you exactly what you are recording...its actually cuts out about 5% of the frame...So in reality what you see in the viewfinder is less than what will appear on the final clip...

Yeh, I noticed, too...it happened to be when I was trying out a green screen.

I haven't done this yet, but was thinking of doing tests and placing colored tape (rectangular pieces parallel to the green screen edge lines) on the green screen at the four corners of the image and then when I have the pieces in view in the LCD, I will know to zoom in by pressing the remote T button/zoom in x amount of times.

I suppose this could be done with the edges of the green screen itself, but I figured the tape might be more pronounced markers inside the little screen and the tape might be needed if you're in a room where you can't pull back far enough to find the edges..

And also would mark the tripod legs on the floor with tape so it will be in the same spot every shoot.
post #83 of 335
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Yeh, I noticed, too...it happened to be when I was trying out a green screen.

I haven't done this yet, but was thinking of doing tests and placing colored tape (rectangular pieces parallel to the green screen edge lines) on the green screen at the four corners of the image and then when I have the pieces in view in the LCD, I will know to zoom in by pressing the remote T button/zoom in x amount of times.

I suppose this could be done with the edges of the green screen itself, but I figured the tape might be more pronounced markers inside the little screen and the tape might be needed if you're in a room where you can't pull back far enough to find the edges..

And also would mark the tripod legs on the floor with tape so it will be in the same spot every shoot.

yes this is the exact workaround I was thinking of....

For now its cropping the video in FCP and or Motion....btw what software do you do your keying in? I find motion well ahead of FCP when using chroma key
post #84 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

yes this is the exact workaround I was thinking of....

For now its cropping the video in FCP and or Motion....btw what software do you do your keying in? I find motion well ahead of FCP when using chroma key

I'm using Sony Vegas Pro 8c/32-bit.

There's not too many controls for keying; Low/high threshold/blur/color picker. It's pretty good - but it's the only one I've ever used.
post #85 of 335
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I'm using Sony Vegas Pro 8c/32-bit.

There's not too many controls for keying; Low/high threshold/blur/color picker. It's pretty good - but it's the only one I've ever used.

Yea I just use the Primatte RT and a spill suppressor...i heard Vegas is the Final Cut for PC's
post #86 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

OK ONE HUGE GRIPE..the lcd viewfinder does NOT show you exactly what you are recording...its actually cuts out about 5% of the frame...So in reality what you see in the viewfinder is less than what will appear on the final clip


this may seem like nothing..but when you have a green screen and lights that are close to the edges of the screen it is...

When i go to edit I have to end up cropping my clips which shouldnt happen..Now I have to GUESS if the camera is in frame....

Beware the LCD viewfinder is not even close to being accurate when it comes to framing the subject...its about 5%-7% more zoomed in than you think


I spoke with Canon tech support. Apparently they already have a solution
for this problem. They will send you a sticker free of charge. You simply
sticke it along the bottom edge of the viewfinder.

Here's what the sticker says:

"OBJECTS IN VIEWFINDER ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR!"

post #87 of 335
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post

I spoke with Canon tech support. Apparently they already have a solution
for this problem. They will send you a sticker free of charge. You simply
sticke it along the bottom edge of the viewfinder.

Here's what the sticker says:

"OBJECTS IN VIEWFINDER ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR!"


haha good one...

now where can i get that sticker!!
post #88 of 335
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Originally Posted by NJ3118 View Post

haha good one...

now where can i get that sticker!!



post #89 of 335
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Originally Posted by HenryC_51 View Post




thank you sir!

haha
post #90 of 335
I have just bought this camcorder.I want to be able to save/archive my footage to be played back in High Def without using the camcorder for playback.How is this best achieved,if at all?
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