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post #151 of 5049
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Originally Posted by the_dudeman View Post

Friend also told me that somewhere in these rooms is how to find firmware version (hold down these 2 buttons type of solution). But have yet to find it. But if HDMI setting you mention works, I'm good to go without new firmware. Just purchased the unit so I'm betting I'm pretty current with firmware.

I think this worked for last years models:
1) Turn on Receiver
2) HOLD down the "Display" button and press "Standby" button once.
3) Release the "Display" button.
4) Press the + or - keys to cycle forward and backward through all the firmware display pages.

no idea if it works for the 876.
post #152 of 5049
Yes, it does
post #153 of 5049
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Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

So do i understand correctly that one of the main reason for me going 876 was the video adjustability will not work with 1080p 24 the de facto BD ideal film setting. well if this is the case i would never have gone 876 i cant believe people on this forum haven't screamed very loud about what imo makes these units just not fully specified!
Cant find any mention in the instruction book concerning this appalling omission.

Or can you correct me?

Paul

I have just verified on my 906 that input adjustment settings (menu 4-4) have no effect on the image when the signal is 1080p/24. This is consistent with others' observations in other contexts that the Reon does no processing on 1080p/24 signals.

I have not checked to see if it is possible to change the output of the individaul HDMI outputs (menu 1-1 if I recall correctly) when dealing with 1080p/24 signals, but I suspect the answer is the same, the Reon does not touch 1080p/24 signals.

The Reon is still quite useful for dealing with older material, particularly broadcast and SD-DVD.

I tested my equipment (using the Avia test disk) and found that my Tosh HD XA2 and my PS3 output the same signals through HDMI and thus, need no adjustment to correct one versus the other. Thus, I have no need to have the Reon adjust the signals from my 1080p/24 devices. YMMV.

Ira
post #154 of 5049
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Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

So do i understand correctly that one of the main reason for me going 876 was the video adjustability will not work with 1080p 24 the de facto BD ideal film setting. well if this is the case i would never have gone 876 i cant believe people on this forum haven't screamed very loud about what imo makes these units just not fully specified!
Cant find any mention in the instruction book concerning this appalling omission.

Or can you correct me?

Paul

Actually, if it did anything with 1080p 24 material a lot more people would be up in arms.
post #155 of 5049
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

I think this worked for last years models:
1) Turn on Receiver
2) HOLD down the "Display" button and press "Standby" button once.
3) Release the "Display" button.
4) Press the + or - keys to cycle forward and backward through all the firmware display pages.

no idea if it works for the 876.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vishwa Somayaji View Post

Yes, it does

Hey thanks, i'll check it out.

dudeman
post #156 of 5049
Well, I have to ask. For those who bought the 876, are thinking of buying the 876 or are just following the 876/906 threads - why the 876 and not the 906? I am in one of those two camps, but for $400 more, I am trying to justify the 906. I have reseached the toroidal transformer and found that very few if anyone can tell the difference between a unit that has this transformer and one that does not. I do not fully understand/or perhaps appreciate the need for streaming audio. Not sure what good the USB port would be. The 5 watt increase in power is too small to be of any impact. So, why have other folks slid into the 876 camp? Am I missing something?

Thanks. Look forward to your comments.
Rich
post #157 of 5049
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Originally Posted by Vishwa Somayaji View Post

Actually, if it did anything with 1080p 24 material a lot more people would be up in arms.

surely the option for 24p manipulation should be an available?

Also correct me if I am wrong, in 24p it is not possible to use the much hyped ISF calibration?

Paul
post #158 of 5049
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

surely the option for 24p manipulation should be an available?

Also correct me if I am wrong, in 24p it is not possible to use the much hyped ISF calibration?

Paul

I can't comment on that yet, haven't got a bluray source yet but if the
ISF Custom controls are not available with the 1080p24, the obvious way is
to calibrate the display (TV/projector) with your colorimeter after 1080p24
and use that as reference calibration.
The controls used for this should be in the display.
Then, calibrate your other formats/sources with ISF custom controls in the
receiver.
post #159 of 5049
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

I can't comment on that yet, haven't got a bluray source yet but if the
ISF Custom controls are not available with the 1080p24, the obvious way is
to calibrate the display (TV/projector) with your colorimeter after 1080p24
and use that as reference calibration.
The controls used for this should be in the display.
Then, calibrate your other formats/sources with ISF custom controls in the
receiver.



"with your colorimeter"
well even i could work that one out :-)
So what i need to is spend £1K on a leading edge receiver with the function built in but doesn't work on the most critical source, and then find the money for "with your colorimeter" to set up my optoma HD80

Paul


sounds to me few people have realised just what this omission is.

cant understand this as my BD30 and HD80 both allow normal adjustment when running p24
post #160 of 5049
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

surely the option for 24p manipulation should be an available?

Also correct me if I am wrong, in 24p it is not possible to use the much hyped ISF calibration?

Paul

Quote:
Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

"with your colorimeter"
well even i could work that one out :-)
So what i need to is spend £1K on a leading edge receiver with the function built in but doesn't work on the most critical source, and then find the money for "with your colorimeter" to set up my optoma HD80

Paul


sounds to me few people have realised just what this omission is.

cant understand this as my BD30 and HD80 both allow normal adjustment when running p24

Sorry... but I don't see how you would use the individual RGB Brightness/Contrast
settings in your TV/projector OR the receiver to calibrate the greyscale without a colorimeter...
You can set brightness, contrast, saturation and hue to a certain degree with testpatterns and
colored filters but not the greyscale, that has to be done with a colorimeter.
The calibration process is the same if it takes place in the receiver or
in the display device.

Here is what I had in mind:
player with 1080p24 output -> receiver -> TV (calibrate here)
player with other output -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV
cable box -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV
VCR/PVR -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV
post #161 of 5049
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Sorry... but I don't see how you would use the individual RGB Brightness/Contrast
settings in your TV/projector OR the receiver to calibrate the greyscale without a colorimeter...
You can set brightness, contrast, saturation and hue to a certain degree with testpatterns and
colored filters but not the greyscale, that has to be done with a colorimeter.
The calibration process is the same if it takes place in the receiver or
in the display device........

Can you provide more information on this Colorimeter? Sounds like something I would like to pick up, myself. Which one do you have? Do you recommend any others? I would like to do some research on them on the web.

Thanks,
Rich
post #162 of 5049
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by toolwarrior View Post

Can you provide more information on this Colorimeter? Sounds like something I would like to pick up, myself. Which one do you have? Do you recommend any others? I would like to do some research on them on the web.

Thanks,
Rich

There are a number of them out there, see http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436
I have the 'EyeOne Display 2', which is pretty ok for it's low price.

For starters, read this http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
'GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES'
It is good introduction to calibration with a colorimeter.

A little bit more technical:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
'Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced) '
post #163 of 5049
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Sorry... but I don't see how you would use the individual RGB Brightness/Contrast
settings in your TV/projector OR the receiver to calibrate the greyscale without a colorimeter...
You can set brightness, contrast, saturation and hue to a certain degree with testpatterns and
colored filters but not the greyscale, that has to be done with a colorimeter.
The calibration process is the same if it takes place in the receiver or
in the display device.

Here is what I had in mind:
player with 1080p24 output -> receiver -> TV (calibrate here)
player with other output -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV
cable box -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV
VCR/PVR -> receiver (calibrate here) -> TV

I agree with your suggestion about calibrating all but the 1080p/24 signals in the receiver. The only concern comes if you have 2 sources for 1080p/24 that don't match in their outputs. Then you would like to be able to have the receiver correct one to match the other so as not to have to switch settings on your monitor.

As noted above, at least for brightness, contrast, color and hue, both my PS3 (for Blu-ray) and my Toshiba HD-XA2 (for my few remeaining HD-DVDs) appear to match. I don't know if this is true for all HDMI 1080p/24 sources, though I would hope they would all match as they are all sending digital data in the 16 to 239 range (or larger for deep color ;-).

Ira
post #164 of 5049
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

There are a number of them out there, see http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436
I have the 'EyeOne Display 2', which is pretty ok for it's low price.

For starters, read this http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
'GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES'
It is good introduction to calibration with a colorimeter.

A little bit more technical:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
'Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced) '

rickardl, thank you. That is very helpful.
Rich
post #165 of 5049
I have a setup which includes a 42 inch LCD TV capable of 720p and a projector capable of 1080p. Two questions, and any help would be really appreciated...

Is is possible to toggle between HDMI outputs using the remote (or even a Logitech Harmony remote) but without having to go all the way into the setup? There seems to be a toggle on the Onkyo but the "display" button on the remote (according to the manual) displays info about the current input.

If not, could the macro functionality be used to achieve this?

I am interested in the 876 for it's two HDMI outs but not sure how useful they are if switching between them requires a setup change via the menus.

thx

W
post #166 of 5049
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Originally Posted by walden69 View Post

I have a setup which includes a 42 inch LCD TV capable of 720p and a projector capable of 1080p. Two questions, and any help would be really appreciated...

Is is possible to toggle between HDMI outputs using the remote (or even a Logitech Harmony remote) but without having to go all the way into the setup? There seems to be a toggle on the Onkyo but the "display" button on the remote (according to the manual) displays info about the current input.

If not, could the macro functionality be used to achieve this?

I am interested in the 876 for it's two HDMI outs but not sure how useful they are if switching between them requires a setup change via the menus.

thx

W


See my reply in the 906 thread.

Short answer: A Harmony can be programmed to do just what you want, the 906 (and I assume the 876) have and properly respond to discrete codes for selecting HDMI main and HDMI sub. There is no such button on the Onkyo remote (that I have found at least), but the codes do exist.

Ira
post #167 of 5049
I am getting ready to pull the trigger and I am settling in on the 876 and AE3000U projector.

Quick question... I am a big gamer and would like to hook up PS3 and 360 via HDMI to the 876 the out to the projector. This way I dont have to run multiple cables to the projector.

Here are a couple of questions.

1. Will I experience any delay or lag on the video ??

2. should I have any issues up converting old school game systems over composite to the projector ? I have seen in the past some receiver/projector combos would not work well.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #168 of 5049
Very loud "pop/click"
Hi, could some kind 876 owner that has a BD of "Dark City" confirm that when decoding DTS HD MST 7.1 and move to next chapter if they get a very loud "pop/click" as what appears to be the data stream being picked up, this is not evident on 5.1, 6.1 only 7.1 HD MST i don't have any other 7.1 BDs if you do your tests would be appreciated

Paul
post #169 of 5049
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Originally Posted by iblumberg View Post

I agree with your suggestion about calibrating all but the 1080p/24 signals in the receiver. The only concern comes if you have 2 sources for 1080p/24 that don't match in their outputs. Then you would like to be able to have the receiver correct one to match the other so as not to have to switch settings on your monitor.

Actually, I would also have liked to have the ability to calibrate EACH combination of source-display, not just only the source.
I have a TV and a front projector which goes through the receiver.
Well, most DVD/bluray-players also has adjustments in them ...
post #170 of 5049
Paul, I noticed this on a 905 I ultimately returned (for another reason) on the "Bank Job" (also DTS HD Master 7.1) Blu Ray from a Samsung BD P1500. I tried the same disk on my LG BD300 and did not have any noise. It was the Samsung I am afraid and only on this disk.
post #171 of 5049
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Paul, I noticed this on a 905 I ultimately returned (for another reason) on the "Bank Job" (also DTS HD Master 7.1) Blu Ray from a Samsung BD P1500. I tried the same disk on my LG BD300 and did not have any noise. It was the Samsung I am afraid and only on this disk.

hi thanks for your reply, funny you mentioned Bank Job as I had forgotten it was 7.1 so i gave my copy a spin and to my delight this shows none of the noises dark city exhibits when navigating chapters, so it could well be the disc(DC) .

Paul
post #172 of 5049
Can anyone tell me if the 876 is the same as the Integra 8.9?
post #173 of 5049
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Originally Posted by paul623 View Post

I see thanks for the clarification

I have also just found that when processing DTS HD MSTR
there is a very loud pop when changing chapters as it picks up the data stream.
i understood that this was a problem on earlier models, as the 606 i upgraded from did not have the problem, or is it my particular unit

Paul

What disc are you using? Is it Harold and Kumar? If it is, it is the disc and not your receiver. I have the 905 and experience the same thing, but only on the Harold and Kumar blu ray using 7.1 dts-ma. All other blu rays I have with dts-ma work fine for me.
post #174 of 5049
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

There are a number of them out there, see http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436
I have the 'EyeOne Display 2', which is pretty ok for it's low price.

For starters, read this http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
'GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES'
It is good introduction to calibration with a colorimeter.

A little bit more technical:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=852536
'Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced) '

Great site. Thank you very much, I already learned a lot from reading that forum.
post #175 of 5049
Hi guys,

I just picked up an 876 a couple of days ago and I'm having trouble with a couple of issues as follows:

1) The instruction manual indicates you can access the zoom mode without going into the setup by holding down the display button; while holding down the display button brings about resolution, and a series of other options like brightness, contrast, etc., it does not bring up the zoom mode; has anyone been able to bring up the zoom mode?

2) If accessing the zoom mode above is not possible is it possible to setup a macro using a harmony remote?

3) Also, I have been unable to program the display button to my Harmony 880; the display button has only basic functionality with the Harmony, holding it down does nothing; has anyone been able to figure out a way of programming the Harmony to be able to hold down the display button?

Thanks in advance for the help.
post #176 of 5049
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

1) The instruction manual indicates you can access the zoom mode without going into the setup by holding down the display button; while holding down the display button brings about resolution, and a series of other options like brightness, contrast, etc., it does not bring up the zoom mode; has anyone been able to bring up the zoom mode?

No. The settings seems to be for the Monitor Out settings which
does not include the zoom mode.
post #177 of 5049
Thanks rickardl,

That's too bad; hopefully someone will figure out a why to atleast access this by a Macro command.

It's really short sighted of them not to include a direct zoom button since the unit does not auto-pillarbox 4x3 content.
post #178 of 5049
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

Thanks rickardl,

That's too bad; hopefully someone will figure out a why to atleast access this by a Macro command.

It's really short sighted of them not to include a direct zoom button since the unit does not auto-pillarbox 4x3 content.

Yes, a dedicated button on the remote would have been useful!
Maybe a future firmware upgrade will fix the Display-button functionality
since it clearly does not work as the manual states.
post #179 of 5049
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

Hi guys,

1) The instruction manual indicates you can access the zoom mode without going into the setup by holding down the display button; while holding down the display button brings about resolution, and a series of other options like brightness, contrast, etc., it does not bring up the zoom mode; has anyone been able to bring up the zoom mode?

The 906 has the same problem. In the 906 thread a 905 owner suggests setting up your remote for a 905 because it has many additional button options and they work with the 906. You might want to try setting your Harmony up for the 875.
post #180 of 5049
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

1) The instruction manual indicates you can access the zoom mode without going into the setup by holding down the display button; while holding down the display button brings about resolution, and a series of other options like brightness, contrast, etc., it does not bring up the zoom mode; has anyone been able to bring up the zoom mode?

The manual is wrong. It does not bring up the "4.4 Picture Adjust" menu. It brings up the "Monitor Out" menu. As a result the zoom option is not available.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EVT View Post

2) If accessing the zoom mode above is not possible is it possible to setup a macro using a harmony remote?

Not easily. I never got one to work, although I tried with my Harmony XBox remotes. Ultimately I ended up using the aspect ratio controls on my Sony KDS-60A3000 TV to control the aspect ratio.

REALLY annoying that the 876 / 906 do not auto detect the aspect ratio and adjust accordingly. I have been meaning to call Onkyo and gripe about this, specifically about the error in the manual as a means of disguising my frustration with the lack of auto aspect ratio detection and switching.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EVT View Post

3) Also, I have been unable to program the display button to my Harmony 880; the display button has only basic functionality with the Harmony, holding it down does nothing; has anyone been able to figure out a way of programming the Harmony to be able to hold down the display button?

I did get that to work, (don't recall doing anything special to get it to work) but ultimately it was of no use... the "zoom" mode was not avaialble there, so I dropped the notion of using the "display" menu as a way of easily manually changing the zoom mode.

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