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9/18/08 at 12:31am
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9/18/08 at 12:32am
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The DVD version is from "The Godfather DVD Collection" released 2001 worked on by American Zoetrope.

Blu-ray File size: 44.60 GB

Bitrate: 27.01 mbps


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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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The Godfather                                                   AVC     2:57:09 47,984,431,104  48,354,999,267  36.12   27.01   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3557Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      48,354,999,267 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes

PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Size:           47,984,431,104 bytes
Length:         2:57:09 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  36.12 Mbps
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MPEG-4 AVC Video    27007 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

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Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         3557 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3557kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

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Presentation Graphics           English         34 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           English         37 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           English         1 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           French          30 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           French          2 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      34 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         29 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         2 kbps                          

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Number          Time            Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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1               0:00:00.000     0:07:30.784     23,987 kbps     38,369 kbps     00:06:55.707    36,084 kbps     00:06:52.871    35,496 kbps     00:06:48.408    125,058 bytes   351,823 bytes   00:07:30.825    
2               0:07:30.784     0:10:32.840     28,894 kbps     43,620 kbps     00:08:27.132    37,892 kbps     00:08:23.128    37,717 kbps     00:08:18.164    150,638 bytes   484,143 bytes   00:08:27.882    
3               0:18:03.624     0:08:59.831     27,939 kbps     49,463 kbps     00:27:00.327    38,517 kbps     00:26:56.281    37,472 kbps     00:18:46.959    145,662 bytes   623,507 bytes   00:27:00.953    
4               0:27:03.455     0:07:16.728     27,588 kbps     38,910 kbps     00:27:05.958    37,576 kbps     00:27:15.759    37,490 kbps     00:27:05.958    143,834 bytes   349,628 bytes   00:30:10.934    
5               0:34:20.183     0:05:57.566     27,388 kbps     34,937 kbps     00:37:33.334    33,013 kbps     00:37:20.113    32,729 kbps     00:37:16.317    142,791 bytes   315,754 bytes   00:36:45.328    
6               0:40:17.749     0:08:34.555     27,494 kbps     37,944 kbps     00:41:49.424    36,805 kbps     00:41:45.503    36,595 kbps     00:41:40.331    143,342 bytes   320,794 bytes   00:46:56.897    
7               0:48:52.304     0:09:26.024     26,447 kbps     38,090 kbps     00:57:45.379    37,596 kbps     00:57:41.375    35,816 kbps     00:57:14.765    137,880 bytes   310,369 bytes   00:54:37.524    
8               0:58:18.328     0:10:26.251     28,054 kbps     38,446 kbps     01:05:57.495    37,586 kbps     01:05:57.495    37,461 kbps     01:06:04.377    146,259 bytes   363,366 bytes   01:05:54.117    
9               1:08:44.579     0:07:04.424     26,752 kbps     36,647 kbps     01:13:20.646    34,025 kbps     01:14:56.659    33,463 kbps     01:14:52.655    139,474 bytes   298,489 bytes   01:14:41.686    
10              1:15:49.003     0:14:11.684     27,236 kbps     39,091 kbps     01:21:27.257    36,101 kbps     01:21:19.750    35,510 kbps     01:21:18.540    141,996 bytes   341,085 bytes   01:18:43.385    
11              1:30:00.687     0:07:06.176     26,460 kbps     39,887 kbps     01:31:08.004    37,692 kbps     01:31:04.250    36,128 kbps     01:31:15.011    137,949 bytes   338,660 bytes   01:31:16.805    
12              1:37:06.863     0:09:11.300     28,163 kbps     39,580 kbps     01:39:53.196    37,707 kbps     01:39:47.023    37,538 kbps     01:39:53.237    146,828 bytes   432,802 bytes   01:39:48.065    
13              1:46:18.163     0:03:12.026     28,118 kbps     38,676 kbps     01:48:19.410    37,604 kbps     01:49:23.182    36,849 kbps     01:49:20.137    146,595 bytes   314,746 bytes   01:48:00.724    
14              1:49:30.189     0:04:27.475     26,222 kbps     35,935 kbps     01:50:14.233    34,737 kbps     01:49:58.550    33,735 kbps     01:49:54.880    136,710 bytes   442,930 bytes   01:50:29.206    
15              1:53:57.664     0:09:23.647     26,850 kbps     37,194 kbps     01:55:30.423    34,573 kbps     01:55:29.923    33,971 kbps     01:55:29.840    139,984 bytes   337,823 bytes   01:56:43.455    
16              2:03:21.311     0:03:15.945     30,076 kbps     39,475 kbps     02:03:39.537    37,785 kbps     02:03:35.533    37,100 kbps     02:03:30.570    156,805 bytes   447,147 bytes   02:06:13.858    
17              2:06:37.256     0:06:50.869     27,244 kbps     37,656 kbps     02:06:42.595    35,275 kbps     02:06:40.259    31,611 kbps     02:06:38.800    142,038 bytes   317,107 bytes   02:06:45.097    
18              2:13:28.125     0:06:19.337     27,424 kbps     38,452 kbps     02:13:42.514    37,758 kbps     02:13:43.724    37,195 kbps     02:13:40.804    142,974 bytes   376,847 bytes   02:14:11.961    
19              2:19:47.462     0:06:09.244     30,201 kbps     39,217 kbps     02:23:07.162    37,496 kbps     02:19:48.130    37,395 kbps     02:19:48.046    157,455 bytes   340,091 bytes   02:25:56.748    
20              2:25:56.706     0:10:59.326     26,519 kbps     38,886 kbps     02:32:41.986    37,616 kbps     02:32:47.992    37,485 kbps     02:32:51.537    138,257 bytes   452,639 bytes   02:32:48.326    
21              2:36:56.032     0:07:47.508     28,000 kbps     38,077 kbps     02:38:13.109    36,569 kbps     02:41:05.906    35,621 kbps     02:44:14.428    145,977 bytes   357,143 bytes   02:41:57.917    
22              2:44:43.540     0:08:22.210     25,908 kbps     39,461 kbps     02:48:29.850    37,460 kbps     02:48:25.971    36,775 kbps     02:48:26.221    135,071 bytes   403,235 bytes   02:49:07.888    
23              2:53:05.750     0:04:03.368     13,267 kbps     40,802 kbps     02:57:04.989    38,175 kbps     02:57:00.985    34,013 kbps     02:54:53.316    69,170 bytes    372,376 bytes   02:57:05.198    

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post #3 of 124
9/18/08 at 12:32am
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From press release:

The Godfather and The Godfather, Part II underwent extensive frame-by-frame examination and restoration utilizing state-of-the-art digital technology in this historic preservation effort, which required more than a year to complete. Robert A. Harris of the Film Preserve supervised the restoration under the direction of Coppola and cinematographer, Gordon Willis. Harris’ restoration credits include Lawrence of Arabia, Vertigo and Rear Window among others.

Lots of work was done for this Blu-ray release. Everything has been changed. This is not your dad's Godfather movie. There will be major differences in color timing, contrast and brightness. I am not going to go any further with more technical details since everyone can Google to find it

As you all know Godfather has a very stylized look. From the dark and subdued of the first scene, to the bright overblown outdoor whites of the outdoor wedding scene. Don't expect this movie to look like The Searchers or Grand Prix or How The West Was Won. It doesn't have the sharpness and the color saturation of those three movies. And there is nothing wrong with that. This is how the movie looks according to the artist(s) intent. Plenty of grain here folks

And now for the nitpicking . . . . .

No DNR or EE observed. But some minor scratches and dust here and there. Its no big deal. You won't notice them during playback.



Read this article from the American Society of Cinematographers regarding the restoration work.
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9/18/08 at 12:32am
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post #5 of 124
9/18/08 at 12:32am
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post #6 of 124
9/18/08 at 1:39am
Hahaha this was a smart idea. This thread is going to be crazy in a few days.
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post #7 of 124
9/18/08 at 2:06am
reserved10 looks slightly better than reserved9.
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post #8 of 124
9/18/08 at 2:24am
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reserved10 looks slightly better than reserved9.

Shush, Reserved10 looks better than the SD DVD, that's all that matters!
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post #9 of 124
9/18/08 at 3:07am
<-- Is waiting patiently.
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post #10 of 124
9/18/08 at 3:31am
Xylon, could you please confirm that they are region free for us non USA residents?

I have convinced a few mates to order it at that great price at amz, so I cannot be wrong on this...

can't wait for your comparisons
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post #11 of 124
9/18/08 at 8:15am
You can really see what the improved contrast and golden hues does for the look of the film. The old DVD just looks terribly flat and boring in comparison.
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post #12 of 124
9/18/08 at 8:54am
Interested to see the colours on GF3. The shots from DVDBeaver look way off, but looks like they had some issues with their equipment.
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post #13 of 124
9/18/08 at 9:04am
The 2nd and 3rd remind me of old photographs.
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post #14 of 124
9/18/08 at 9:26am
#5 has me the most excited about receiving these titles. It's a pretty big jump in detail, even though some of that can be attributed to the contrast changes.

Brandon
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post #15 of 124
9/18/08 at 9:35am
renting these... 120msrp for two movies is just too much... yes 3rd movie never happened.
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post #16 of 124
9/18/08 at 9:44am
While the difference is noticeable in all of the shots, it was only the third one that made me think wow.
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post #17 of 124
9/18/08 at 10:09am
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renting these... 120msrp for two movies is just too much... yes 3rd movie never happened.

What are you talking about? What idiot pays MSRP nowadays??

You can get the Godfather Blu-ray set for $60 on Amazon or $59 @ Tower.com website.
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post #18 of 124
9/18/08 at 10:26am
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What are you talking about? What idiot pays MSRP nowadays??

You can get the Godfather Blu-ray set for $60 on Amazon or $59 @ Tower.com website.

+1

Half-price is still too much?
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post #19 of 124
9/18/08 at 10:54am
DrXym nailed it: while those first two comparison shots show a modest improvement in quality, that third one is almost literally an order-of-magnitude jump. Kind of an oddity, at least to me, but hey...
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post #20 of 124
9/18/08 at 11:07am
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DrXym nailed it: while those first two comparison shots show a modest improvement in quality, that third one is almost literally an order-of-magnitude jump. Kind of an oddity, at least to me, but hey...

It's only logical. We see details in qualitative manner, for example facial detail as creases, freckles, hair, etc. In top picture, face takes up large part of the screen, and you can make out most facial details even on the SD DVD. On the third picture, faces on the SD DVD is perhaps 20 or 30 pixels wide, and therefore when that gets doubled on Blu-ray, the incremental increase in facial detail is much, much greater (can actually make out who the actors are).
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post #21 of 124
9/18/08 at 11:16am
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What are you talking about? What idiot pays MSRP nowadays??

You can get the Godfather Blu-ray set for $60 on Amazon or $59 @ Tower.com website.

thanks but you didn't need to be a dick about it.
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post #22 of 124
9/18/08 at 11:25am
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thanks but you didn't need to be a dick about it.


You mean like popping into a picture comparison thread to announce to the world that you are going to rent some movies instead of buying them because you deem them too expensive?
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post #23 of 124
9/18/08 at 11:35am
Thanks Xylon. I have come to the conclusion every one else should have their screen cap licence taken away.

I think these pictures have gotten me more excited than any of the others I have seen with the exception of the ones from ASC.
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post #24 of 124
9/18/08 at 11:56am
Robert Harris worked on this, so you can be rest assured this is how it should look

-Gary
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post #25 of 124
9/18/08 at 12:05pm
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You mean like popping into a picture comparison thread to announce to the world that you are going to rent some movies instead of buying them because you deem them too expensive?


now what does that have to do with personally attacking someone?
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post #26 of 124
9/18/08 at 1:18pm
Best demonstration - look at James Caan in the last comparison. You can actually tell it's James Caan in the second, whereas the first looks like the Zapruder Film.

MEC2
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post #27 of 124
9/18/08 at 1:36pm
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Robert Harris worked on this, so you can be rest assured this is how it should look

-Gary

Which is the most important thing. I don't want Transformers glitz on the Godfather movies.
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post #28 of 124
9/18/08 at 3:50pm
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Which is the most important thing. I don't want Transformers glitz on the Godfather movies.

i think gary was taking a shot at Bram Stoker's Dracula.
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post #29 of 124
9/18/08 at 4:28pm
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i think gary was taking a shot at Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Ahh, I'm a stooge, still my point stands
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post #30 of 124
9/18/08 at 6:29pm
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Nice work, Xylon. This clearly shows how crap the first DVD was.
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