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post #31 of 74
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Originally Posted by dline View Post

I don't even think they can do that upgrade until they move their digital to channel 15, which in turn has to wait until they shut off their analog.

I would guess your're right, although I was hopeful that the upgrade to 360 kW would be simultaneous with the switch to dtv on June 15 to channel 15, but if the person I was talking to is correct, that upgrade is not in work right now.
post #32 of 74
I am getting KYOU OTA on channel 15.1 through my directv HR20. It appears that on 15.1 that they are taking the stream they are getting and changing the aspect as I've got black bars top and bottom (during primetime only - rest of the day is full 16:9 aspect) and the content is squished, but the logo is fine and resides in the lower black bar. Wondering if I am the only one seeing this...I can't get the 14.3 broadcast on the Directv program guide and am unable to manually select the channel - have to take the antenna directly to the TV to see it. Wondering if they are doing the same thing on 14.3 during primetime or whether that feed is fine and full 16:9 aspect like it used to be on 15.1...I'll find out tonight I guess, but was curious to see what other viewers were experiencing.
post #33 of 74
Thread Starter 
Just a quick welcome to the new folks here...either of you happen to be close enough for WGEM and how DT is faring now on RF ch. 10? If so, post on the Quincy thread...
post #34 of 74
Thread Starter 
Jon Ellis summarizes Friday's FCC ruling in his Northpine.com site and it's been well discussed elsewhere in other AVS forums.

This ruling should finally give KTVO viewers the cold hard facts of the current loss of coverage problems that's been touched further up the thread.

Again, creating white areas isn't a good way to make a station popular with the public or the FCC.

To think how hard past KTVO ownership and mgmt. teams worked to build that 2000' tower back in the 80s, only to see subsequent owners seemingly do everything possible to kill KTVO since the 87 tower collapse.
post #35 of 74
In upgrade news:

Iowa Public Television now has the go-ahead to flash-cut its Ottumwa translator to 15 kW digital on channel 18. Unfortunately, since translators and LPTVs aren't covered by the June 12 deadline, they also have a full 36 months in which to make the change.

Officially, K18GU is a translator for KIIN Iowa City.
post #36 of 74
KTVO says its DT off air due to lightning strike; may be back up by mid-week.

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/n...aspx?id=301163
post #37 of 74
Thread Starter 
Hopefully they added a few more "hair dryers" to the two or so they're running right now!
post #38 of 74
UPDATE: Possible date for KYOU Ottumwa's power boost?

KYOU filed for a "license to cover" Monday.

Scroll down the form, and you'll see the following:

"Applicant plans to construct the increased facilities shortly, but the transmitter needed to achieve the higher power level is not yet available, as it is coming from another station upon completion of its DTV transition. Applicant expects that the maximized facilities will be completed in August 2009. Accordingly, with the filing of this license application, it is requested that the term of the outstanding maximization application be extended to the full three-year term."

So it "could" be three years, but there's still hope for an August upgrade. Cross your fingers ...

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....ility_id=53820
post #39 of 74
Thread Starter 
Awaken thine eyes of these sleepy denizens!

FWIW, talked w/ KYOU's engineer about a different issue this week, but anyway they're getting ready to power up the new transmitter by this weekend. You may notice a little more punch to the Fox15 signal soon.
post #40 of 74
I have never been able to get a signal from KYOU-DT since the DTV transition. As a matter of fact, it appears that their own DTV box that is rebroadcasting out on analog 34 drops the signal often as well.

Anybody know if they plan to fix this or just drop the whole LPTV station in Kirksville?

I have friends that are stuck and can't watch any FOX programming because they have HD receivers with D* which can't tune analog. The decisionmark site for testing DNS eligibility shows a Grade A signal for KYOU-DT in Kirksville--that's obviously not accurate, but this prevents them from getting DNS stations for fox.

Anyone have any updates on KYOU's plans?
post #41 of 74
Just saw this on KTVO's site:

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/n...aspx?id=421973

The article says they have doubled their signal strength. If accurate, those of you with no KTVO signal should rescan.

On the KYOU front, I'm getting a good signal now at 10 miles east of Kirksville. Those of you who can't get KYOU in the area, but want to, might want to consider repositioning your antenna, adding a preamp, adding a rotor, or getting a better antenna. For what it's worth, I'm using an Antennas Direct 91XG.

I also have a kinda dumb question. What direction should my VHF antenna be pointed? For the first time last night I was able to pull in WGEM and KHQA. The transmitters are both located at about a 110 degree heading from my house. I don't know if WGEM has got their new vertical polarity transmitter up and running or if it was just a conditional anomaly. However, my VHF antenna was pointed north when the signal was strongest. That is, the long beam upon which the shortish crossbeams are attached, was pointing due north, with the longest cross-members at the southern end. I had always assumed that I should point the long beam toward the tower. Am I wrong?
post #42 of 74
In theory, you should point your antenna directly at the tower. In reality, there may be an unseen obstruction between your location and the tower, and the signal may be bouncing off something else to reach you. I'd just point it wherever the signal is strongest and ignore whether that's where it's "supposed" to be pointed.
post #43 of 74
Thread Starter 
About KTVO: perhaps they have an STA (special temp. authority) being filed with the FCC to boost power, but I can't seem to find any in the FCC databases. But I'm not an expert when it comes to searching these. Perhaps Jon or Trip might have more info?

About KYOU: I'm wondering if there was some troposperic ducting going on...ahead of weather fronts, signals can travel farther than usual. But I don't know if that was the case here or not, just a hunch.
post #44 of 74
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Originally Posted by iowegian3 View Post

About KTVO: perhaps they have an STA (special temp. authority) being filed with the FCC to boost power, but I can't seem to find any in the FCC databases. But I'm not an expert when it comes to searching these. Perhaps Jon or Trip might have more info?

I can't find anything either. I'm tempted to call them next week, but I'm swamped with school work. Maybe someone else can?

- Trip
post #45 of 74
Thread Starter 
I can check in with them on Monday.
post #46 of 74
I believe that they were off about 3 dB with the math when the transmitter was first installed. I think the ERP now is consistent with the license.

I know they were running a 2.5 kW liquid cooled transmitter and the antenna is a Dielectric directional with 12.04 dB RMS gain. That would only be a little over 41 kW ERP into (assuming) 1030 feet of 3 1/8 inch feedline. Barrington had a few 5 kW UHF transmitters from other stations that went back to VHF, which may have been available to give a little more horsepower at the input of the feedline.
post #47 of 74
Thread Starter 
Should have checked here first! I called channel 3, talked to John Wise and what you've described is indeed the case.

He says next bump in power will come when or if Barrington takes down the old channel 3 antenna on top and puts up a new higher gain RF 33 antenna. No plans to go beyond 5 kW TPO though.
post #48 of 74
"KTVO TV will create a new digital television station affiliated with the CBS TV to serve the Ottumwa IA/Kirksville MO viewing area. The announcement was made jointly today (Monday) by Chris Cornelius, President and Chief Operating Officer of Barrington Broadcasting Group LLC, owner of KTVO, and Diana Wilkin, President, CBS Affiliate Relations.

The new station, called KTVO CBS 3.2, will commence operations at 7:00 a.m. Saturday, May 15. It will be available free over-the-air. Over-the-air viewers will need to rescan their digital TV or DTV converter box on that date to begin receiving the new service. Cable retransmission of the signal will commence over several area cable TV systems once subscriber notification is completed. "

Read more on KTVO's web site...
http://www.heartlandconnection.com/n...aspx?id=451901
post #49 of 74
Now if KYOU would launch an NBC subchannel the market would have a full set of big-four affiliates!
post #50 of 74
CBS in HD,SD,5.1 or Stereo??? Details are really lacking in the press release.
post #51 of 74
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Originally Posted by Mizzou! View Post

CBS in HD,SD,5.1 or Stereo??? Details are really lacking in the press release.

i'd guess what they do at khqa would be a pretty good gauge. There the secondary channel is sd.

i'm now getting PBS DTV on Ottumwa channel 18. I don't know if it's the season or if it will last. i just rescanned when I realized their low power retransmitter had gone DTV. Anybody else been getting it?
post #52 of 74
Can you tell whether the OATS analog translators are still on the air - channels 23, 25, and 27? They were carrying WHO, KYOU, and KCCI last I knew.
post #53 of 74
33-2 is now online
post #54 of 74
I realize this thread is old, but found it on a google search. i have had dish network for almost a year now and am frustrated with a lack of HD local channels. I have gotten a new HDTV and was wondering how I would go about getting or if it is possible to get HD locals for Kirksville with an over the air antenna?

I really hope someone reads this!!
post #55 of 74
If you are in Kirksville proper, you should be able to get KTVO. It transmits on channel 33 and maps to 3.1. 3.2 is CBS in standard definition. There is (or was) a KYOU analog translator on channel 34. That's probably all you will get with a small indoor antenna. To get anything else, you'll need favorable terrain, a large antenna, and some luck. Kirksville is 60-70 miles from KYOU, WGEM, and KHQA. This is based on having lived there in the past and my experiences with OTA reception. This forum is pretty slow, but maybe someone who is living there presently can jump in with their experiences.
post #56 of 74
Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV Reception

Would this indoor antenna be able to pick up KYOU? Im really looking to get this for the Super Bowl, since it is on Fox this year and with an HDTV, but no HD local channels, it will be dissapointing to watch the super bowl on this tv in SD, actually it would be mind blowingly painful lol
post #57 of 74
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Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV Reception

Would this indoor antenna be able to pick up KYOU? Im really looking to get this for the Super Bowl, since it is on Fox this year and with an HDTV, but no HD local channels, it will be dissapointing to watch the super bowl on this tv in SD, actually it would be mind blowingly painful lol

I've not tried that specific antenna, but I have never been able to get KYOU reliably (other than the analog 34). I've used an outdoor antenna with a nice preamp and was never able to reliably get KYOU-DT. My preamp went out a while back. Without that I have no chance. Before the preamp was out, I could get WGEM pretty reliably and they have a FOX subchannel, but it was still SD.

I still have a nice outdoor antenna, but I use it just for KTVO 33.1 and 33.2 right now.

Our options for KYOU are really limited right now. Unless you have cable or a waiver, there's really no good option for FOX in HD right now.
post #58 of 74
KYOU has applied to change the K34CW translator in Kirksville to channel 22 with 10 kW ERP for digital. If approved and built, that would fill in a lot of the areas to the south of the KYOU-DT signal. That would be good news to OTA viewers in NE Missouri.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=53818

Does anyone know if the Truman State has actually done anything to build out their construction permit for a digital LPTV on channel 43? It would be nice to see it on as a repeater for one of the PBS stations and maybe the student programming on a subchannel.

I lived in Kirksville from 92-94, and in my poor student days had just KTVO and barely perceptible signals from channels 7 and 10. Never did see the KYOU translator, although it was licensed at the time.
post #59 of 74
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Originally Posted by Neil Griffin View Post

KYOU has applied to change the K34CW translator in Kirksville to channel 22 with 10 kW ERP for digital. If approved and built, that would fill in a lot of the areas to the south of the KYOU-DT signal. That would be good news to OTA viewers in NE Missouri.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=53818

This definitely would be good! I'm not adept at reading those applications. Does this present any time frame for when this might actually happen?
post #60 of 74
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Originally Posted by kvchief View Post

This definitely would be good! I'm not adept at reading those applications. Does this present any time frame for when this might actually happen?

Construction permits, once issued, are valid for three years. Since this is only an application at this time, it's necessary for wait to see if a CP will be issued by the FCC. After that, it's up to the station itself to set its own timeline for construction.
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