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Panasonic TH-58PZ800U vs Panasonic TH-58PZ850U?

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Hello,
This thread is for those who have extensively compared the Panasonic TH-58PZ800U and the Panasonic TH-58PZ850U.
What are the differences in their image quality, black levels, video noise, and standard def/dvd performance?
Thanks for your help.
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post #3 of 18
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That thread is for the 50" models only.
Does the exact same thread also apply to the 58" models as well?
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Originally Posted by daltonlanny View Post

That thread is for the 50" models only.
Does the exact same thread also apply to the 58" models as well?

Same processor technology just different screen size
post #5 of 18
Picture quality will be the same/similar.

Chris
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These are the differences in these two models below.The 850 is a tweekable set compared to the 800U, if someone has the time and knowledge to tweek. To say one is better than another would not be the right way to seperate these two units, it is more about what a person wants to do with there set as these units are meant for two different types of people.


-800U has 5120 shades of gradation instead of 4096 like the 80U and 85U. 24P playback. THX mode. Different speakers. 1 Extra HDMI.

-850 adds Studio Ref Mode. Pro Settings. RS232C input. VieraCast (Internet). 850 loses the THX mode but adds a wider color gamut (Digital Cinema Color)
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I spoke with a Panasonic rep about the differences between these two sets. I told him I knew about the differences in color temp adjustment, THX mode and Vierra Cast but my concern was "did one panel have better glass, procesessing or noise reduction?" And according to the rep there are no real differences. It really comes down to whether or not you want Vierra Cast. Other than a little more color tweakability and a THX badge their are no major differences. The 800U is the real bargain being around $500 less.
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I spoke with a Panasonic rep about the differences between these two sets. I told him I knew about the differences in color temp adjustment, THX mode and Vierra Cast but my concern was "did one panel have better glass, procesessing or noise reduction?" And according to the rep there are no real differences. It really comes down to whether or not you want Vierra Cast. Other than a little more color tweakability and a THX badge their are no major differences. The 800U is the real bargain being around $500 less.

The DCC makes a pretty significant difference.
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The DCC makes a pretty significant difference.

How so? Please be specific.
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Color reproduction is the area where this plasma really shines. There are two color modes one can choose, either the HDTV broadcast color space called BT.709 (aka Rec. 709) or DCC for Digital Cinema Color. The latter is a color space standard for the Digital Cinema Initiative, which provides a wider color range at the green and red color points (and all colors that fall between). For the techies out there reading this I will supply the measurements below, for the non-tech types, the DCC on position makes a greener green and a red that is more crimson than I have seen on any other plasma (note: LCD HDTVs with standard fluorescent backlights vs. red, blue, green LEDs do not reproduce deep reds, they appear orange in comparison). I was pleasantly surprised activating the DCC mode as it created a purer red and made other colors richer and deeper without making them appear unnatural. The DCC mode interpolates the picture data and widens the palette of colors on-screen. Of course, you can turn the circuit off if you desire to do so.

http://hdguru.com/panasonic-th-50pz8...st-review/249/
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That's an incredible review, especially in comparing the '850U favorably to the vaunted Pioneer plasma, and especially since the Panasonic is significantly less expensive.
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That's an incredible review, especially in comparing the '850U favorably to the vaunted Pioneer plasma, and especially since the Panasonic is significantly less expensive.


I completely agree with Garys assessment, with the proper settings on the 850 it can easily give the Pios a run for their money. Sure, it won't produce the black levels quite as deep, but color/ processing / depth / shadow detail can rival the Pioneer 5020 and even surpass it in some catagories. At least, to me.
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That review is actually comparing it to the 6010, which is a 2007 Kuro. I think he liked the 2008 Kuros a good bit more than the 850. http://hdguru.com/first-pioneer-elit...fd-review/252/
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That review is actually comparing it to the 6010, which is a 2007 Kuro. I think he liked the 2008 Kuros a good bit more than the 850. http://hdguru.com/first-pioneer-elit...fd-review/252/

Yep, I know he was using his 6010 for the interview. My two cents (FWIW) was my observations that I've noticed specifically with the 5020. Now the Elites are a different story
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I saw the 58PZ850 at a Best buy and I can say it had the deepest color and most accurate color compared to other TVs.The skin tones, greens and reds look more realistic compared to other TVs The color depth overall was more than the pioneer 5020 or any LCD. However the 5020 had more deep black levels. for a moment when there was no signal on the floor the pioneer screen was more black than any other TV. The DCC was turned on.

When I went to another shop they did not have the 58" 850 but the 50PZ850. the skin tones and colors were horrible. The green on a baseball field was awful. perhaps it was not calibrated. However I would suggest you should go to see the 58PZ850 before buying one as it has different color range than any other TV.

I am not sure if Panasonic has the same processing for picture in both the
58PZ850U and 50PZ850U. Unless they are both together it is difficult to compare.
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I saw the 58PZ850 at a Best buy and I can say it had the deepest color and most accurate color compared to other TVs.The skin tones, greens and reds look more realistic compared to other TVs The color depth overall was more than the pioneer 5020 or any LCD. However the 5020 had more deep black levels. for a moment when there was no signal on the floor the pioneer screen was more black than any other TV. The DCC was turned on.

When I went to another shop they did not have the 58" 850 but the 50PZ850. the skin tones and colors were horrible. The green on a baseball field was awful. perhaps it was not calibrated. However I would suggest you should go to see the 58PZ850 before buying one as it has different color range than any other TV.

I am not sure if Panasonic has the same processing for picture in both the
58PZ850U and 50PZ850U. Unless they are both together it is difficult to compare.



ngeek, welcome to the forum!

the processing is the same for both sets. I'd wager you were just seeing the combined difference of the way the two sets were user calibrated, plus store environment. Case in point, i've seen the 50pz850 at two seperate locations and even with both sets calibrated the same (through user menu) one looked spectacular, and the other less-so. Basically it was the difference in the store atmosphere. However, the 850 really comes to life with a few proper settings vrs. out of the box. I recently auditioned a 50pz850 at a ma & pa shop that had basically just popped the set out of the box and hung it on the wall with no attempt at adjusting the picture at all. I spent about 15 minutes using a combo of settings off this site plus c-nets recommendations and slipped in a couple of my reference blu-ray discs, and the store owners jaw hit the floor! He told me he had no idea that set could produce a picture like that. So long story short, the 850 is a VERY nice display, along with the 800, and it makes a big difference seeing these sets properly set up.
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I do not think there is advantage or disadvantage from the 50" or 58" PQ, but I have to say I do notice a bit of a difference myself.
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I do not think there is advantage or disadvantage from the 50" or 58" PQ, but I have to say I do notice a bit of a difference myself.



Just curious Chris as to what you've noticed? I assume you're refering to the 850s??
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