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The Godfather: Part II comparison *PIX*

post #1 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:20pm
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For this sequel the change in the overall look of the restored Bu-ray version is bigger compared to Part 1. Especially with the contrast and brightness boosting. To others the change may be too jarring for them. Give it time and you will get used to it. Film grain is intact (grain haters or Patton lovers stay away!) No wax city here and no EE observed. Unlike other HD transfers this is not going to look as sharp as those other movies like I' Robot . The Godfather I and II overall is a very good transfer preserving the artistic intent of the filmakers

There is nothing to argue about the overall PQ and the restored version. If Godfather is just an award winning movie like A Passage to India no one is going to make a fuss about it. But it is the Godfather where over 30 years people has seen it numerous times and has grown accustomed to how the way it looks. Unlike Bram Stoker's Dracula where the restored version made the movie different and actually changed the complexion of the movie because of color change and reduction of brightness and contrast that resulted in barely visible sets and actors. With the Godfather the increase in brightness and contrast you can now actually see more of the scenes especially the backgrounds. There is a side effect for boosting them of course, the picture can lose fine details if cranked up too high. Fortunately for Godfather its soft overall to begin with so this side effect for the most part is not distinct.

The new restored version has warmer look than the older DVD. I personally prefer warm instead of the cold look




Now bring on Iron Man
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post #2 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:20pm
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Expect this kind of change in PQ compared to the 2001 DVD version.

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post #3 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:20pm
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The DVD version is from "The Godfather DVD Collection" released 2001 worked on by American Zoetrope.

Blu-ray File size: 44.40 GB

Bitrate: 22.64 mbps

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The Godfather II                                                AVC     3:22:06 47,764,948,992  47,984,273,911  31.51   22.64   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3592Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  


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post #4 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:21pm
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post #5 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:21pm
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Remember this scene?

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post #6 of 120
9/21/08 at 1:21pm
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By increasing the contrast and brightness this scene it now looks like it took place in the morning or late afternoon instead of early dawn. To me its no big deal actually, I'd rather see more of the set and the actors

In some dark scenes throughout the movie expect this to happen.
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post #7 of 120
9/22/08 at 5:51am
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post #8 of 120
9/22/08 at 7:44am
I love grain

Thanks for those shots Xylon - the restoration looks exceptional - I can't wait for my set to arrive
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post #9 of 120
9/22/08 at 10:30am
Is it possible to do a comparison of the outdoors of when Michael returns home?
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post #10 of 120
9/22/08 at 1:14pm
this is fabulous, as you can see the previous DVD was way off in color timing

-Gary
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post #11 of 120
9/22/08 at 1:32pm
It looks fantastic. They can't get here soon enough. The color differences are exceptional. In the screenshot at the table, the color differences between the grapes and wine really stand out. Also in the screenshot with the cannon, the difference in detail between the figurines in the back is astounding.
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post #12 of 120
9/22/08 at 3:39pm
It's an improvement over DVD, but I don't know if it's worth spending $62 plus S&H for....I think I might just have to stick with my DVD copies of these movies. Just not big enough an improvement in my book....but that's just my opinion
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post #13 of 120
9/22/08 at 3:42pm
I think I will stick with my DVD set. The colors look vastly different, but that's about it. The image looks very soft and no better than the upscaled DVD pics...
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post #14 of 120
9/22/08 at 3:59pm
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It's an improvement over DVD, but I don't know if it's worth spending $62 plus S&H for....I think I might just have to stick with my DVD copies of these movies. Just not big enough an improvement in my book....but that's just my opinion

Its Godfather!
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post #15 of 120
9/22/08 at 4:08pm
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It's an improvement over DVD, but I don't know if it's worth spending $62 plus S&H for....I think I might just have to stick with my DVD copies of these movies. Just not big enough an improvement in my book....but that's just my opinion

Well, I didn't have to think twice about replacing my DVDs. Assuming the movies have a good replay value to you, then there's nothing better than having a definitive version.
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post #16 of 120
9/22/08 at 5:28pm
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By increasing the contrast and brightness this scene it now looks like it took place in the morning or late afternoon instead of early dawn. To me its no big deal actually, I'd rather see more of the set and the actors

In some dark scenes throughout the movie expect this to happen.

Don't forget about color timing. The comparison of the outdoors on the steps scene (I don't know what it's call, I haven't seen the film!) is illustrative of the color temperature differences.
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post #17 of 120
9/22/08 at 8:51pm
Are the flesh tones supposed to be this red? Or does it just seem red when compared to the DVD?
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post #18 of 120
9/22/08 at 9:17pm
If I were to buy this set and maybe adjust my tv's color scheme to cool rather than custom or warm, would this correct some of the overblown red?
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post #19 of 120
9/22/08 at 10:20pm
I just saw this film at the Arclight Hollywood via a restored print master yesterday and I honestly think the original DVD is closer to what I just saw in the theater in terms of tint. Its a little disappointing to say the least but I'll just have to check it myself when my copy comes in later this week.
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post #20 of 120
9/22/08 at 11:53pm
The color timing on the remastered version is different. It was an intentional change.

Some scenes look kind of washed out. It's an unfortunate by-product of a film in terrible condition.
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post #21 of 120
9/23/08 at 12:46am
Man, this isn't just a bit warmer, its a lot warmer, and quite frankly some of those skin tones just look too red now. I mean maybe its just because I'm so used to seeing it on TV and on DVD, but this Bluray is a complete 180 from what I've ever seen.

Is there anyone in here that remembers watching this in the theaters and remembers what the film looked like?

Because I just can't imagine it looking that way when it was released in theaters.

The DVD although much darker, has more realistic skin tones, and quite frankly looks more like I would imagine the theatrical release looked like.
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post #22 of 120
9/23/08 at 4:34am
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Its Godfather!

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Well, I didn't have to think twice about replacing my DVDs. Assuming the movies have a good replay value to you, then there's nothing better than having a definitive version.

I appreciate your feedback and completely agree with you that "Its Godfather" and has great replay value. But I have to agree with SlaughterX, the results look pretty much like upscaled DVD! I'm sure the difference between this Blu-ray set and the new DVD set released today as well is minimal unfortunately.

I'll be picking this set up when it goes on sale, but unfortunately not a day one purchase for me, even though I'm a huge Godfather fan (I think I'm one of the very few people who actually really enjoyed Godfather III)

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I think I will stick with my DVD set. The colors look vastly different, but that's about it. The image looks very soft and no better than the upscaled DVD pics...
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post #23 of 120
9/23/08 at 5:01am
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If I were to buy this set and maybe adjust my tv's color scheme to cool rather than custom or warm, would this correct some of the overblown red?


If by "correct" you mean "make wrong," then sure. Go ahead and do that.

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I'll be picking this set up when it goes on sale, but unfortunately not a day one purchase for me, even though I'm a huge Godfather fan (I think I'm one of the very few people who actually really enjoyed Godfather III)

If you think an incorrectly colored dvd is better than this new BD release, I'd rethink your status as a "huge Godfather fan." Just a thought.
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post #24 of 120
9/23/08 at 5:05am
colors look different but it is not that much of an improvement in sharpness and detail. I pre ordered and it has already shipped so I'll keep them but I expected more from the way you guys were hyping the restore job done on it.
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post #25 of 120
9/23/08 at 5:31am
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Please everyone watch the Featurette: "Emulsion Rescue: Revealing the Godfather"
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post #26 of 120
9/23/08 at 5:38am
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Please everyone watch the Featurette: "Emulsion Rescue: Revealing the Godfather"

Is it in 1080i/p? I guess I'll know tonight when my set is sitting on my doorstep.
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post #27 of 120
9/23/08 at 6:58am
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If by "correct" you mean "make wrong," then sure. Go ahead and do that.

Exactly.


My copies arrive today and I can't wait to dig into these discs. The only dilemma I have is whether I should start with the docs or start with the films. Maybe I'll start with that emulsion featurette...
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post #28 of 120
9/23/08 at 8:19am
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If you think an incorrectly colored dvd is better than this new BD release, I'd rethink your status as a "huge Godfather fan." Just a thought.

I never said it wasn't better quality....I just said the improvement in quality was not a huge enough improvement for me to upgrade. Both versions (with correct colours or not) do not affect the actual quality of the films themselves.

Therefore I do not see the relevance in questioning whether or not I'm a fan of the movies because I personally don't think the improvement was great enough to upgrade to the BD version. As I said before, it's my opinion only...I'm entitled to it, as you are.
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post #29 of 120
9/23/08 at 10:50am
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colors look different but it is not that much of an improvement in sharpness and detail. I pre ordered and it has already shipped so I'll keep them but I expected more from the way you guys were hyping the restore job done on it.

There's only so much you can do sometimes. This is likely the best it will ever look. There was a complete restoration done here.

Some scenes are a substantial improvement in detail, and some others are minor. But consider how bad the DVD looked in the first place to put it into perspective.

Brandon
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post #30 of 120
9/23/08 at 11:46am
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The only dilemma I have is whether I should start with the docs or start with the films.

My unsolicited 2c. Start with the films and just enjoy them for the story. Then watch the docs and then go back and spin the movies again. If you do the docs first you risk being distracted by the things you picked up in the docs.
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