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Vizio VP505XVT or Panny TH50PZ800U

post #1 of 377
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Ok to start, I do not watch any sports. This is for Movies, TV shows and some gaming on the PS3.

I can wait until Black friday hits because I would be crazy not to wait and just see if anything turns up. Aside from that I'm torn, because I can spend all day reading and think I've found a gem but then completely go another direction. I started off with LCD from Toshiba that has 120hz and a 5:5 pulldown. A great LCD on paper for the price.

Receiver: Either the AVR-1909 or AVR-2309CI depending on how much money I have left from my tv purchase. I have heard good things about other brands and I may have to go cheaper if I can't find a good deal on the TV.

Player: Playstation 3 - 80Gig HD model.

Speaker setup: av123
Fronts: x-mtm, Center: x-cs, Rear: x-sls Sub: x-sub (5.1 theatre setup)

TV 1:Vizio VP505XVT (plasma)
Pro:
Size, plasma, Price, new line with a nice style.
Con:
440W Average power consumption(holy sheez if thats correct)
Other thought:
Since I will be getting a decent receiver, I dont care a whole lot about the tv's onboard Silicon Optics HQV.

TV 2: Panasonic TH-50PZ800U (plasma)
Pro:
Size, Plasma, Brand name
Cons:
286W(after configuration), Heat.
Other thought: Price is on the high side of my budget I would prefer to keep int he 1500 range. But you do get what you pay for and this piece is very important. I want the best bang fo the buck possible.

Honorable mention: I saw this TV at costco and I really loved it's look, to bad they dont have a dark room with chairs so I can see how it looks in a proper setting.

TV 3: Toshiba Regza 46' (LCD) I think 46XV545U (Costco model so unsure)
Pro: Price 1500, 202W Power, ClearFrame120Hz Anti-Blur, Super Narrow Bezel(very attractive)
Con: LCD?
Other thoughts: It's my opinion that this is a very good LCD for the price, but is it good enough to beat a similar priced plasma? Thats why I'm asking really. I loved the picture but I was standing and looking at most likely out of box configuration.


Thanks,

Jason
post #2 of 377
my bro have the panny and I have the 504 and only difference is the black on panny but really not by much. Im waiting for the 505. For the price I will pick the 505.
post #3 of 377
i would grab the panny plasma in a second. i wouldnt tell anyone to go buy a vizio or an lcd. vizios are not known for lasting forever, and they use old technology. also plasma will look better than lcd. not to mention panasonic is the largest manufacturer and has been making them longer than anyone.
post #4 of 377
If thats the Vizo model with the HQV processing, it uses Panasonic glass
post #5 of 377
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

If thats the Vizo model with the HQV processing, it uses Panasonic glass

Wow, I didn't know that. Panasonic glass (possibly without the typical horrible Panansonic colors) and HQV sounds fantastic.

Vizio will screw it up, of course, but it does sound nice.
post #6 of 377
I have read conflicting info on when the 505XVT will even be released. Most say end of september, but I recently read a post here indicating that they were still in testing and haven't gone into production.

So unless you aren't looking to buy soon, the Vizio might be out of the question.
post #7 of 377
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

If thats the Vizo model with the HQV processing, it uses Panasonic glass

wow thats pretty awesome, where did you find out about that?

Does anyone have any other new lines comming out soon? I'm really not in any hurry to make the purchase. Mostly just wanting to see if black friday has the deal for me.
post #8 of 377
I've got the 504 and it uses Panny glass. From the Factory Menu...

PANEL_GLASS: PANEL_PANASONIC_MD_50F11NJA
post #9 of 377
I had the Panasonic and the Vizio 50 PDP.
I prefer and use the Vizio.
While the PQ is slightly sharper and blacks deeper on the Panasonic, it was not big enough to justify its $1k higher price tag.
If I had to buy over again, I would just get the Vizio and skip the Pana.
Of course, it depends on the timing and model of purchase for Vizio, as they have better and worse models.
Especially when the Vizio has RGB, and for my viewing, I need that for my HTPC.
Panasonic always leaves out RGB unless you buy their higher priced version of a model and that is crazy.
Of course, if you don't need/use a HTPC, then it may not be so important, but I do Hulu, Divx, Torrent, etc. so its a must.

I setup HDTV and run into dozens of models monthly, and also recommend and prefer PDP whenever practical.
post #10 of 377
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Originally Posted by wewa View Post

I had the Panasonic and the Vizio 50 PDP.
I prefer and use the Vizio.
While the PQ is slightly sharper and blacks deeper on the Panasonic, it was not big enough to justify its $1k higher price tag.
If I had to buy over again, I would just get the Vizio and skip the Pana.
Of course, it depends on the timing and model of purchase for Vizio, as they have better and worse models.
Especially when the Vizio has RGB, and for my viewing, I need that for my HTPC.
Panasonic always leaves out RGB unless you buy their higher priced version of a model and that is crazy.
Of course, if you don't need/use a HTPC, then it may not be so important, but I do Hulu, Divx, Torrent, etc. so its a must.

I setup HDTV and run into dozens of models monthly, and also recommend and prefer PDP whenever practical.

Is this a comparison between the 50PX60U vs. Vizio 50 PDP? The 50PX60/PX600/PX75 is still a much better display over the Vizio. The Vizio black levels and color accuracy are lacking. Perceivablely it looks good within a store, but when you adjust the picture settings it is very hard to dial in a good picture.

Chris
post #11 of 377
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Originally Posted by creemail View Post

Is this a comparison between the 50PX60U vs. Vizio 50 PDP? The 50PX60/PX600/PX75 is still a much better display over the Vizio. The Vizio black levels and color accuracy are lacking. Perceivablely it looks good within a store, but when you adjust the picture settings it is very hard to dial in a good picture.

Chris

looks like it's the pz800u for the panny he's considering. the thx mode alone is prob worth the extra cost.
post #12 of 377
Here's a review of the 505 http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200810/

If the black levels and color are up to par, I'm sure it's a great value. The only reason I can't ever recommend a Vizio to anyone is the warranty/service repairs. After warranty, it will cost so much money to ship the tv to Vizio to have it repaired that you might as well buy a new one. With a Panasonic you can have it repaired locally by many different places. To me it's just not worth the risk. You can get a 720p 50" Panasonic these days for $1k with the right deal, and you probably won't be able to tell the difference from the 1080p version.
post #13 of 377
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Originally Posted by hodedofome View Post

Here's a review of the 505 ...

...The only reason I can't ever recommend a Vizio to anyone is the warranty/service repairs. After warranty, it will cost so much money to ship the tv to Vizio to have it repaired that you might as well buy a new one. With a Panasonic you can have it repaired locally by many different places. To me it's just not worth the risk.

The review is very much appreciated... I have been waiting for this HDTV to debut for what seems like forever.

On the matter of warranty / service repair, this won't entirely address your gripe but it may be worth noting.

If you buy any HDTV from Costco, they will extend the manufacturer's warranty by an additional year for free. If you also buy said HDTV on your Costco American Express card then American Express will also add an additional year of warranty for free. So you get 3 years of warranty coverage instead of 1 year.

Having looked at the current selling model (VP504F), I must say I'm really excited about the VP505XVT since the color depth on this HDTV is excellent (it's a 10-bit display as well) and I see no halos or unintended concentric rings. Throw in that the VP505XVT is supposed to use a 100k hour Panasonic Plasma Panel and a Silicon Optix HQV video processor and it should register that this particular HDTV is a steal. Heck, if I wanted to get the equivalent level of video processing on a Sony Bravia right now, I'd be looking at a 52" XBR6 and those have a MSRP of $4,000. The step down (W-series) has 10-bit color but does not have the kind of video processing the XBR or VP505XVT offers.

I only hope when word gets out about what a gem of a deal the VP505XVT is, that I will be able to grab one for myself.
post #14 of 377
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I have been keeping up with the prices as these expensive electronics dont seem to be selling. And on my way to Costco to just kill half and hour before heading home I saw the P505XVT. It was a different part number but no doubt it was the XVT 50" plasma. They had it playing on a sylvania Blue ray player for that horrific movie speed racer. The colors to me were extremely vivid and beautiful. I didn't get to compair it to the TV I wanted side by side because they had it in a corner by itself away from the other TV's. I know we arnt supposed to talk price but it was 200 under the MSRP.
post #15 of 377
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Originally Posted by elerick View Post

I have been keeping up with the prices as these expensive electronics dont seem to be selling. And on my way to Costco to just kill half and hour before heading home I saw the P505XVT. It was a different part number but no doubt it was the XVT 50" plasma. They had it playing on a sylvania Blue ray player for that horrific movie speed racer. The colors to me were extremely vivid and beautiful. I didn't get to compair it to the TV I wanted side by side because they had it in a corner by itself away from the other TV's. I know we arnt supposed to talk price but it was 200 under the MSRP.

Unless the HDTV you're talking about just came out within the past few days, what you looked as was not the VP505XVT. What you looked at was the VP504F.

They both look very similar and have similar features.

Vizio has told me the VP504F are Panasonic Panels in some cases or LG in others. The VP505XVT is supposed to entirely be Panasonic panels.

The VP504F and VP505XVT are both 10-bit HDTVs.

The VP504F lacks the Silicon Optix HQV Reon video processor found in the VP505XVT.

The VP504F is a 60k hour panel while the VP505XVT is supposed to be a 100k hour panel.

Lastly, the VP504F will not do 1920x1080 if you hook a PC computer up to it. The VP505XVT will do 1920x1080.

Both HDTVs have a listed MSRP of $1,699. The VP504F currently sells for $1,399 at Costco.
post #16 of 377
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Believe me it was 100% positive vp505xvt. Houston, Texas 77065 area code costco. It is not on their website for sale. The sticker on it said 50" XVT Plasma. It was also easily identified by the style of it.
post #17 of 377
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Originally Posted by elerick View Post

Believe me it was 100% positive vp505xvt. Houston, Texas 77065 area code costco. It is not on their website for sale. The sticker on it said 50" XVT Plasma. It was also easily identified by the style of it.

Yessssssssssss!!!! I'm going straight to Costco after work. So I should expect to pay $1,499. I'm going to be sooooooooooo disappointed if my local Costco doesn't have it yet.
post #18 of 377
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for me it was hard to find, they had it away from the 2 rows of tvs and it was playing near the audio receiver row as a standalone tv. I think its because they didn't have room for it anywhere else. And was hooked directly to a blue ray player they were selling. The colors were so vivid, but I really wanted a different material to watch. Speed racer was so hard to get a quality scene with shadows and dark lighting etc.
post #19 of 377
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Originally Posted by elerick View Post

for me it was hard to find, they had it away from the 2 rows of tvs and it was playing near the audio receiver row as a standalone tv. I think its because they didn't have room for it anywhere else. And was hooked directly to a blue ray player they were selling. The colors were so vivid, but I really wanted a different material to watch. Speed racer was so hard to get a quality scene with shadows and dark lighting etc.

Color-wise, the VP505XVT and VP504F should be about the same. Not sure on if the black levels differ by much. However, the VP505XVT is 20% brighter than the VP504F.

The only difference you should see (at least in Costco) would be the brightness since the looping demo they use wouldn't challenge the worst made generic HDTVs in terms of video processing.
post #20 of 377
Been thinking I needed to get one of those, but haven't seen any out yet, so glad to hear they have finally arrived. Love my 47"XVT, so getting greedy and upgrading.

By the way did anyone see that Vizio had profits last quarter..in this market! And Sony is having some serious financial problems? Weird, but intresting.
post #21 of 377
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Originally Posted by Eckerman View Post

Been thinking I needed to get one of those, but haven't seen any out yet, so glad to hear they have finally arrived. Love my 47"XVT, so getting greedy and upgrading.

By the way did anyone see that Vizio had profits last quarter..in this market! And Sony is having some serious financial problems? Weird, but intresting.

I'm not surprised.... I was doing small talk with a salesman at a high end electronics store and brought up that sales must be down for him... he said sales are up around 60% over last year in this economy.... his explanation was that more people were canceling their vacation trips and spending their time at home watching Movies / TV.

I couldn't go for either the 42" or 47" XVT HDTVs. I cannot stand 120Hz on any brand due to the judder effect. For the XVT LCDs the 120Hz was the main selling point.
post #22 of 377
I'll have to call BS on this one. That set is not even out yet. It has at least two more weeks before Vizio says it will be for sale. I also called the Costco, and spoke with someone in eletronics, and they say NO VP505XVT1A there.
post #23 of 377
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Originally Posted by rlkelly View Post

I'll have to call BS on this one. That set is not even out yet. It has at least two more weeks before Vizio says it will be for sale. I also called the Costco, and spoke with someone in eletronics, and they say NO VP505XVT1A there.

In Missouri, I will have to say you called it right. My local Costco does not yet have it (nor are they aware of it). The reason why I am inclined to believe Elerick is because I have corresponded with a Melissa from Vizio and she told me the VP505XVT would come out in October (but earlier in the month rather than later).

In either case, I have no reason not to believe Elerick. My trip to Costco wasn't a waste since it's on the way home from work and I just filled up on gas at $2.09 per gallon. But I guess I'll just have to keep twiddling my thumbs a bit longer.
post #24 of 377
I just got an e-mail from the Vizio Sales Manager I've been speaking with and she had this to say:

"... The introduction of the VP505XVT has been delayed due to the high demand of this product and shortage of the panels.

We expect this model to arrive in late November. We apologize about the delay and thank you for your patience.
"

So in light of this most recent e-mail, Elerick is having some fun with people or the Costco people in Houston are clueless.
post #25 of 377
I also forgot to mention that I confirmed with the Vizio Sales Manager that the VP505XVT will not use passive cooling like that used on the VP504F.

"The VP505XVT will employ active cooling, with 3 fans in the rear."

I'm not sure if anyone noticed the passive cooling on the VP504F but for some it may be an issue.
post #26 of 377
So I just got this from someone within Vizio and this is what they had to say:

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We apologize about the delay on the release date of the VP505XVT. The VP505XVT will be the first VIZIO 50” that will utilize a Silicon Optix HQV video processor and will use a panel made by Panasonic. Due to an overwhelming demand for this product as well as shortage in the panels, we have delayed the release of this model until the 2nd week of November. This will be available on our website www.vizio.com and more retailers will follow, still to be determined.

Again, we apologize about the delay. We value your business and continued patronage.

Now the only thing I'm not sure of is the time it takes from when something is "released" to when it "arrives". I hope in this case, it means one in the same and this newer time frame is an update.
post #27 of 377
This is what I'm now being told:

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The estimated release date is the second week of November yet it can be possible that it will available until the end of November, because we do not ship directly to each individual stores, our Logistic Team work with our Retail stores to ship out product, yet once the distribution Warehouses for the retail stores we work with can prolong shipment.
post #28 of 377
I got sick of waiting, so I went ahead and purchased the 32 inch VP322 plasma. I've still got my credit tied up at Sears for the new VP505XVT. I had to have something to watch until the new model comes out in a few weeks. I will be giving a full review on the VP322 in the next few days.

I figure I will keep the VP322 in the bedroom, and the VP505 will have a home in the living room when it arrives.
post #29 of 377
Vizio's websight says that the VP505 is now for sale. Now we have to find out who will have it for sale. Its also $1499.00 $200 bux less than projected.
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Yessssssssssssssss!!!!

Now, I already know the video processing on this HDTV is equivalent to a Sony 52" XBR6 as a minimum (MSRP originally $4,000... now $3,700), but if I wanted to make a more apples-to-apples comparison, what would be the equivalent Panasonic in terms of the video processor?

The TH-50PZ800U (MSRP of $2,500) or the TH-50PZ850U (MSRP of $3,000)?
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