Iron Man comparison *PIX* - Page 5

You nailed it. :-)

This theory of dumbing down dvd's to make BD look better is ridiculous. Here is what I have noticed. I rent. Sometimes I rent both the DVD version and BD version of the same movie. I have noticed BD's that are rated as better PQ, the DVD of the same movie looks better than DVD's of crappier PQ BD's. I think it has to do with the source.

Good source/transfer= great looking BD and good looking DVD PQ.

Poor source/transfer= mediocre BD and poor DVD PQ.

I can see the grain and the PQ looks good, but what I am wondering is why a much older movie like How the West Was Won looked so good on BD where as Iron Man looks good, but not necessarily better if anything worse than HTWWW.

Thats the only reason I bought them

Wow that Blu Ray shot of the silver Iron Man looks incredible.

I wonder if the glowing eyes were added in post production. Otherwise I can't figure out how the actor could see out of the mask.

He probably couldn't really. Anthony Daniels had that problem with the light-up eyes in the C-3PO costume. Having said that, they look too bright not to have been 'boosted' digitally. ...Where's my Cinefex magazine?

Different film stocks. I don't know for sure what Iron Man was shot on but most likely Super35, which is commonly used for FX heavy films these days. Where as HTWWW was shot on what I recall is three separate 35mm strips.

Super35 has advanced considerably over the years in providing finer grain structure thus making films shot on it appear sharper, more detailed would be the better term. Aliens is one of the first films to entirely use Super35 and it is sharp and detailed but since the grain structure is larger in that older stock it will never have the same detail-sharpness pop as more modern film stocks will have.

Since HTWWW used three separate 35mm strips, the imagery captured for the 2.89.1 scope does not suffer from resolution loss as it would have if they had used one 35mm filmstrip.

Hope that kind of answers your question.

Best Regards
KvE

Explain King Kong and Serenity. Gorgeous HD transfers but the most godawful dvds you'll ever see.

I bet you can call CSI: Miami and they'll sell you one. They have three stored in the janitor's closet.

And here I was thinking it was some sort of fancy digital air-hockey table...

I think you meant to say The Abyss. In the audio commentary for Aliens, James Cameron says he was not allowed to shoot the film in Super35. 20th Century Fox didn't think the process was tested enough at that time, so he filmed using hard matte 1.85:1 using the standard spherical 35mm process because he didn't like anamorphic lenses. Cameron's first Super35 film was The Abyss... it also used 65mm for the miniatures.

I think you maybe right, I know for sure Abyss was on super35, as you mentioned, maybe I'm confusing all the A titles by Cameron; Aliens, Abyss, Avatar. ;}~ Could have sworn Aliens was as well, anyhow I do know that the film stock he did use has more prominent grain structure than some folks may like when it hits HD. As mentioned in other places Cameron partly decided on that film stock to instill a texture of documentary style for the film.

Best Regards
KvE

great work like always

Oh really? As someone who likes to think he keeps up on technology, I call BS. Care to provide some linkage to an actual manufacturer of these Minority Report-style UI devices?


No, again I call BS. A lot of what you see on CSI is creative storytelling to try and move the story along to keep it inside the hour allotment its given (more like 40-45 minutes if you strip away commercial breaks). Just like Star Trek, for example, where they "engage the tachyon emitters" to break free of the unknown anomaly at the last moment to save the ship...

Ugh. Anyways, sorry for derailing this again.

On topic: Got Iron Man today at BB, picture looks awesome and sound is great. I did have a "problem" when starting the disc on my PS3. It seemed to lock up/freeze at the closeup of his chest plate power source thingie. After a little troubleshooting, I narrowed it down to BD Live. It seems that, prior to showing a menu or asking if you want to, the disc just starts downloading a file off the internet. I disabled the internet connection for BD discs on the PS3 and restarted the disc and all worked well. I'll try the BD Live stuff again after I've finished watching it. =)

Woah, take it easy, dude....

No way dude, when I was in school instead of blackboards we used 3D holographic tactile displays, that were able to sort through mountains of data in the blink of an eye.... we had lots of crimes to solve too.

Who the hell can watch CSI and not roll their eyes at the tech they have. And even if they did do you know what kind of funding it would take?

Back on topic - the thing that Stark is using looks like an in house Stark Industries version of Microsoft Surface
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/index.html

So it's real tech, CSI has moved far beyond that. Good work Iron Man production designers.
But what's the deal with that yellow alien looking thing in the background? What do you guys think that's about?

This is a Paramount release (in more way's than one! ).
Just, Sony did that w/SA-CD (dual layer releases; where the CD layer sonics were compromised).
I have no proof any SD DVD was 'interfered' with too highlight/showcase BD.
(remember the "fake" movie ads, Sony had?!?!?!)

And, yeah...
freckles are GOOD!!!

Would "Kong" be an 'ugly' SD DVD because of its length?
And maybe "Serenity" because its soooooooo DARK???

I can't explain HD DVD vs DVD.

+1
Looks like you could touch it!
(better than: "looking though a window")

The next set of caps, thanks Xylon, didn't do much for me.
Only thing that "popped" (ha,ha) was the jukebox. Looks 3D on BD!

King Kong was fantastic on DVD - One of the best transfers in recent years....Only some minor edge enhancement ruined it near the end...But it was 180 minutes on one dual layer DVD and looked and sounded fabulous for the DVD format....I remember writing a review after watching it.

There is no excuse for modern day recent films to look bad on DVD if the prints are in great condition.

Same goes for Blu Ray.

Xylon we need the Gywneth in backless dress shots.

Are we watching the same show? there is no minority report style viewing on the show i watch. On minority report they had some type of holographic image come up. On CSI:Miami, there is some type of display that you can see. And the device that they moves the pictures on, they have something less advanced on CNN that moves the pictures around using your hands. The program I saw on discovery(or whatever Hd channel) specifically adressed a more advanced version that is used. Similar to what is shown on the show.
Of course for TV purposes everything isn't like real life, but many of the devices they use are supposedly based on state of the art devices or are real state of the art devices. It's just that these devices that are real are too expensive for a local police division.

I'll have to check out my TiVos to see if this show was saved, but most likely it's deleted since I cleaned out my seven tiVos before the Tv season started.

How come it looks like a blurry mess in these shots? And yes, I know the HD-DVD captures make it look worse but still.

All DVDs look like a blurry mess since there is no detail in the picture. This is the way DVD has always looked.