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nice smile.gif Thanks guys!
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Did you mean "the fuzz"? wink.gif

That's a good one!
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Is anyone here going to use Server 2012 Essentials? It just went RTM yesterday. I want to use it along with something like FlexRaid, since Storage Spaces is just not good enough. I've read there's a way to connect client pc's without making them join the domain as well.
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Is anyone here going to use Server 2012 Essentials? It just went RTM yesterday. I want to use it along with something like FlexRaid, since Storage Spaces is just not good enough. I've read there's a way to connect client pc's without making them join the domain as well.

I am hoping soon t o start testing, with hopes of eventually replacing my WHS v1. When you say Storage Space is just not good enough, are you saying just specific for what you want?
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Is anyone here going to use Server 2012 Essentials? It just went RTM yesterday. I want to use it along with something like FlexRaid, since Storage Spaces is just not good enough. I've read there's a way to connect client pc's without making them join the domain as well.

I am hoping soon t o start testing, with hopes of eventually replacing my WHS v1. When you say Storage Space is just not good enough, are you saying just specific for what you want?

It's just not flexible enough and I've read enough reports of it being slow and flaky. e.g. it won't let you replace a disk without destroying and recreating a pool. This link has more details - http://helgeklein.com/blog/2012/03/windows-8-storage-spaces-bugs-and-design-flaws/

I tried it out in a VM and was not impressed.
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

It's just not flexible enough and I've read enough reports of it being slow and flaky. e.g. it won't let you replace a disk without destroying and recreating a pool. This link has more details - http://helgeklein.com/blog/2012/03/windows-8-storage-spaces-bugs-and-design-flaws/
I tried it out in a VM and was not impressed.

Awesome link. I had seen that once before and had lost it. Thanks for posting.
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

It's just not flexible enough and I've read enough reports of it being slow and flaky. e.g. it won't let you replace a disk without destroying and recreating a pool. This link has more details - http://helgeklein.com/blog/2012/03/windows-8-storage-spaces-bugs-and-design-flaws/
I tried it out in a VM and was not impressed.

Thanks, I had heard the same about replacing disks which is not good. For me I am happy just getting an exact replacement of Drive Extender in WHS v1, so for now my WHS v1 machine lives on smile.gif
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Thanks, I had heard the same about replacing disks which is not good. For me I am happy just getting an exact replacement of Drive Extender in WHS v1, so for now my WHS v1 machine lives on smile.gif

I have a WHS v1 that I'm happy with, but the lack of support of advanced partitioning and drives larger than 2TB is becoming more and more an issue for me. I had for example a 2TB WD green drive go bad a few months back and got a 2.5TB replacement from WD... And 3TB drives are now the sweet spot for $ per TB.

I had hoped Storage Spaces would be a viable upgrade, but perhaps not frown.gif
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Originally Posted by andersa View Post

I have a WHS v1 that I'm happy with, but the lack of support of advanced partitioning and drives larger than 2TB is becoming more and more an issue for me. I had for example a 2TB WD green drive go bad a few months back and got a 2.5TB replacement from WD... And 3TB drives are now the sweet spot for $ per TB.
I had hoped Storage Spaces would be a viable upgrade, but perhaps not frown.gif

Yeah, my WHS is at 15drives (all 2TB drives except for one 1.5TB drive which I will be swapping to a 2TB drive tomorrow). The drive size limitation is one of the reasons why I was looking at Server 2012. I have a test server that I had installed WHS 2011 on, but I am going to move it over to 2012 for testing and see what kind of results I come up with
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What a great thread! So much good info in one place. smile.gif

Question: With WD and Seagate disabling TLR on their HDs (and other dastardly deeds like reducing warranty periods), what "consumer" HDs are good for hardware RAID these days? I have a LSI 8888ELP and am thinking about getting the Intel SAS expander. I run W7_x64. I really would like to avoid spending the money on WD RE or Seagate Constellation drives if I can.
Edited by michaelddd - 10/12/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Defcon View Post

Is anyone here going to use Server 2012 Essentials? It just went RTM yesterday. I want to use it along with something like FlexRaid, since Storage Spaces is just not good enough. I've read there's a way to connect client pc's without making them join the domain as well.
I installed Essentials 2012 and first problem I have is that no matter what I do the Recycle Bin folder will not delete from the drives I am trying to add into Flexraid. My understanding is this causes problems to leave it on.
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Originally Posted by Big Worms View Post

I installed Essentials 2012 and first problem I have is that no matter what I do the Recycle Bin folder will not delete from the drives I am trying to add into Flexraid. My understanding is this causes problems to leave it on.

Recycle Bin and Security were my issues when I tested FlexRAID on 2012 Essentials. I gave up and moved to WHS 2011.
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Recycle Bin and Security were my issues when I tested FlexRAID on 2012 Essentials. I gave up and moved to WHS 2011.


What happens if you don't delete the recycle bin file ?
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Originally Posted by michaelddd View Post

What a great thread! So much good info in one place. smile.gif
Question: With WD and Seagate disabling TLR on their HDs (and other dastardly deeds like reducing warranty periods), what "consumer" HDs are good for hardware RAID these days? I have a LSI 8888ELP and am thinking about getting the Intel SAS expander. I run W7_x64. I really would like to avoid spending the money on WD RE or Seagate Constellation drives if I can.

The Hitachi 7K3000/7K2000 series.
I have have been using a mixture of the two for about 18months.

The only downside is a 7W idle.

I am thinking of switching over to the WD Red if WD releases a 4TB 4 platter model. The Reds have 3yr warranty vs 5yrs for the RE and about 1/2 the cost of the RE
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

What happens if you don't delete the recycle bin file ?

I kept getting the corrupt recycle bin message asking to fix it from Windows.

I may try Drive Bender and SnapRAID on 2012 Essentials to see how that works. I picked up a copy for $10 on the current sale.
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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

The Hitachi 7K3000/7K2000 series.
I have have been using a mixture of the two for about 18months.
The only downside is a 7W idle.
I am thinking of switching over to the WD Red if WD releases a 4TB 4 platter model. The Reds have 3yr warranty vs 5yrs for the RE and about 1/2 the cost of the RE

Thanks, Tong Chia. Doesn't WD now own Hitachi? Or are the Hitachi drives still "Hitachi Drives" and not rebranded WD's?
Edited by michaelddd - 10/15/12 at 1:40pm
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not to overly promote, but wanted this thread to know that I am selling my Home Server. I built this about 1.5 years ago using advice from this forum. It's in fantastic shape... Most easily picked up in Portland, OR, but willing to ship.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1433934/full-16tb-norco-server-with-high-end-motherbaord-cpu-and-server-keyboard-monitor

posting details:

This is a fantastic server with rack-mount keyboard/monitor. I just completed a brand new install to Windows Server 2012 (standard), but can install Windows Home Server 2011 or Windows 8. This server has 20 hot-swappable drives - with 4TB drives, you could have up to 80TB of storage. It currently has 16TB of storage installed using 9 drives. This has a high end Intel server motherboard (S5500BC) with dual processor support. Installed CPU is a 6 core/12 thread Intel Xeon L5640. Has (2) SuperMicro SAS/SATA controllers to control the storage backplanes. The HP rack-mounted keyboard/mouse/monitor is perfect for using in a rack. I am willing to sell the keyboard/monitor separately for $350. This is a great deal for the server + monitor combo.

Specs:
keyboard/monitor: HP TFT5600RKM
CPU: Intel Xeon L5640 at 2.27GHz
Motherboard: Intel S5500BC
Memory: 4GB
Case: Norco RPC-4220 (4U, with server rails)
CD: Sony R/RW slim drive
Boot drive: 160GB
Storage drives: 9 SATA drives for 16TB total storage
Power supply: Antec 750W
SAS controllers x 2: Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8
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Originally Posted by michaelddd View Post

Thanks, Tong Chia. Doesn't WD now own Hitachi? Or are the Hitachi drives still "Hitachi Drives" and not rebranded WD's?

WD acquired the Hitachi HDD business.

The 7K3000 and 7K2000 were pre-acquisition designs, these are basically scaled down server drives and not low cost limited duty designs

I expect the future Hitachi units will be enterprise models and less home focussed. Present hope is that WD Red line takes off and the home server market will get a slice of this technology.
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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

WD acquired the Hitachi HDD business.
The 7K3000 and 7K2000 were pre-acquisition designs, these are basically scaled down server drives and not low cost limited duty designs
I expect the future Hitachi units will be enterprise models and less home focussed. Present hope is that WD Red line takes off and the home server market will get a slice of this technology.

Technically speaking, Hitachi Global Storage Tech became HGST. According to the rules the Chinese MOFCOM gave WD, HGST-WD operates as a wholly owned subsidiary at the moment. In other words, nothing much has changed. Neither company is allowed to rebrand anything from the other.

Unfortunately, there is one aspect that has changed. The EU mandated that WD sell the deskstar line to "some third party". Since there's exactly one hard drive company left that didn't have a desktop line, Toshiba probably bought the Deskstar series at a steal. Details are sketchy, but If you want to continue buying 7K2s and 7K3s, they're probably going to have a Toshiba sticker on them soonish.
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Hey, I currently have a HTPC build but would like to piggy back/attach another media server to it(sorry if im using wrong verbage)
Whats best way to do this? Do i need the Windows server softwear too?



HTPC build
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P67X-UD3-B3
Processor: i5 2500K
Video: nVidia GTX 550Ti
SoundCard: SB X-Fi Xtreme
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
currently filled with 5HDs of media
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Originally Posted by Kiruwa View Post

Technically speaking, Hitachi Global Storage Tech became HGST. According to the rules the Chinese MOFCOM gave WD, HGST-WD operates as a wholly owned subsidiary at the moment. In other words, nothing much has changed. Neither company is allowed to rebrand anything from the other.
Unfortunately, there is one aspect that has changed. The EU mandated that WD sell the deskstar line to "some third party". Since there's exactly one hard drive company left that didn't have a desktop line, Toshiba probably bought the Deskstar series at a steal. Details are sketchy, but If you want to continue buying 7K2s and 7K3s, they're probably going to have a Toshiba sticker on them soonish.

Interesting, there is a complicated series of swaps going on in the background

http://www.storagenewsletter.com/news/mergeracquisition/wd-hdd-assets-toshiba
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/display/20120229054302_Toshiba_and_Western_Digital_Swap_HDD_Manufacturing_Facilities.html

Some vendors are already jumping the gun
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Toshiba/DT01ACA100/
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Originally Posted by mikeymike7 View Post

Hey, I currently have a HTPC build but would like to piggy back/attach another media server to it(sorry if im using wrong verbage)
Whats best way to do this? Do i need the Windows server softwear too?
HTPC build
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P67X-UD3-B3
Processor: i5 2500K
Video: nVidia GTX 550Ti
SoundCard: SB X-Fi Xtreme
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
currently filled with 5HDs of media

Are you thinking of building a separate machine or do you just want to be able to share the files on your HTPC.

In the first case Windows Home Server or similar is an option. This thread has a lot of discussion on the various options.
http://windows.microsoft.com/is-IS/windows/products/windows-home-server

In the second case you can share the directories within windows if you right click on a diretory in Windows Explorer you will sees a menu item like :Sharing" or "Share With" (depending on how Windows is setup). I am assuming Win7 in my example.
http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-share-windows-7-system-folders-across-the-network/
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WHS is running out of disk space, I really want to keep drive extender with V1.


I'm going to have to go external enclosure now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816104011

With this card is there anything special between the sand disk 100$ and 230-240 models that I see newegg selling?
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Usually quality but the cheap cards often work well for non enterprise or critical data.
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So is there anything to look for in an external enclosure? What makes some more expensive than the others?


Been trying to find a guide but haven't had much luck.
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Originally Posted by stgdz View Post

So is there anything to look for in an external enclosure? What makes some more expensive than the others?
Been trying to find a guide but haven't had much luck.

You mean like a cineraid box ?
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Here is my office room which is my network/servers/bench working area setup. Let me know what you think


http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l613/shadow555/DSCN0885.jpg


Black computer is MY WHS 2011 box
dual opty 2.4s with 10gig ecc ram
500 windowws
7tbs of storage

16port business class cisco gig switch

White Computer is my dedi untangle firewall distro box
crap p4 build with dual gig nics

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l613/shadow555/DSCN0884.jpg

Hiding in corner is my esx 3.5 hp proliant g3 server

dual opty 2.8 with 8gig ecc ram and 6 73gig scsci drives

I know using a outdoor chair as my office chair doesnt working well, but it is what I have at the moment. My ex decided to break my office chair, dont ask long story as it goes lol.
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Has anyone found a good board that will work with an Intel Core i5-2400s processor? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115075
I was originally going to go with the Supermicro MBD-X9SCM-F-O board, but it apparently only supports the i3 processors. any thoughts?
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I am actually using an industrial BCM RX67Q in my server. This board has 2x gigabit ethernet ports so it works with WHS2011 without any problems. drawback is the 5 SATA ports and not accepting a 2nd Highpoint 8 port RR card.

Next server project is based on an intel DZ68DZ MW with 8 SATA ports. This is a desktop board so I'm using a 2nd non-intel ethernet card.

These are not cheap MBs at street prices. But I picked them up at huge discounts. So one way is be patient and watch what is available.
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Out of space. I have 8 drives in my current server. 6 come from a Gigabyte GA-A55M-S2V motherboard. Server has been rock solid. Next I have a SD-PEX40054 card that supposedly gives me 4 ports, but I can only get 3 to work. I have 1 SAN tower 4 drive full box plugged into 1 of the external ports of this Syba card. The second external port will not support a second drive bay despite many emails to tech support .. and even trying a second one of these cards. The motherboard won't let me plug the second card in at the same time to support another 4 tower raid because there's only 1 PCI 2 x16 port, the rest are just x1.

So now if I upgrade the motherboard for one with 2 , I only gain 4 drives that way and I have to upgrade motherboard and CPU. That may be a year (?) but perhaps I should really think more long-term about more space so that I don't have to completely reconfigure the server.

Not quite sure where to head next..
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