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post #7741 of 7891
If you can be wired, definately go wired. I would only consider wireless as a last resort and even then it is not ideal.
post #7742 of 7891
Yes. I have decided to go wired. At the very least ill have the server to router wired.
post #7743 of 7891
hi,

i was wondering would this NIC ( http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12701_na/12701_na.HTML) be compatible with a windows home server 2011 (custom build)?
post #7744 of 7891
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Originally Posted by sobskarlpox View Post

hi,

i was wondering would this NIC ( http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12701_na/12701_na.HTML) be compatible with a windows home server 2011 (custom build)?

It will work since it's certified for Win Server 2008 and Small Business Server 2011. Home Server 2011 is basically cut down and simplified version of Server 2008.
post #7745 of 7891
What is the recommend CPU size for a dedicated media server? I am hoping to just remotely access files on other laptops, computers, etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #7746 of 7891
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Originally Posted by Berrydfu View Post

What is the recommend CPU size for a dedicated media server? I am hoping to just remotely access files on other laptops, computers, etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Basic cheap sandy or ivy chip.

G860 for $55 is nice choice. You can do ivy Celeron or pentium but not sure you need the better video core.

I would look for best CPU performance to price ratio. Any sub $70 LGA 1155 chip should suffice.
post #7747 of 7891
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Originally Posted by Berrydfu View Post

What is the recommend CPU size for a dedicated media server? I am hoping to just remotely access files on other laptops, computers, etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The biggest service you can do is to understand your needs
  • Media server
  • Remotely access
  • *Files* on other laptops, computers, etc

When you say *files* and *media server* the two sound contra-indicative to me. Here is a breakdown with some helpful (I hope) examples

Local vs Remote (more on this later) - i.e. all computers on a switch/router vs a bunch of different family members pulling stuff across the net

Local Media Serving
  • Pictures (use a usb drive attached to router)
  • Music (same as above)
  • Videos (home built server/nas with anything from P4, Core2, newer or additionally any ARM based NAS like QNAP etc)

Remote Media Serving
  • Pictures (save your sanity and use photobucket or picasa)
  • Music (save your sanity and use a free locker service like Google Music)
  • For pictures and music, a usb drive connected to the router can function with dd-wrt, a NAS would work, and a home built server with any of the P4 or newer processors would also suffice. You can share to a domain (feature that comes with WHS) but completely unnecessary as there are cheaper and more energy efficient ways of doint this if remote Pic and Tune sharing is your only goal
  • Videos - sharing videos remotely will likely not work well with WHS11 built-in feature (uses silverlight and applies to *accepted* media formats) or any other previously mentioned solutions like a usb attached to router or *even* the ARM based pre-built NAS solutions
  • The only way to succeed in remotely serving video on low power (router, ARM based NAS) is when every client receiving it remotely can properly split the container and decode the audio/video stream. This is quite a lofty goal, and if any of the intended devices are android or ios based forget it for now

Long story short, if your ultimate goal is remotely serving Video then you should disregard every above recommendation and go with a debian based linux distro, an equivalent server distro variant, WHS, or just windows as a server and then run Plex on top of that. Sandy and newer celeron is technically capable, but i3 or higher recommended.

If you don't have the lofty goal of remote video serving (which usually always means transcoding), there are many more energy efficient solutions available. If it is, indeed, your intent to serve some office files from home to anywhere consider something super-simple like dropbox. If you want more storage grab a router upgrade like the Asus dark knight and plug in a usb storage drive.
post #7748 of 7891
Hey all , looking for help ... I am wanting to build a Media server and am looking at this setup..

Case Norco 4220
MB Gigabyte Ga-Z77x-ud5h
CPU I5-2310
Sata SUPERMICRO AOC-SAT2-MV8 64-bit PCI-X133MHz
Memory G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
PSU CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply


Hard drives that I have and would like to reuse are WD green, Samsung, Seagate and Hitachi...okay,I buy what is the best deal at the time.... all 2tb.
OS will be on a SSD (again what ever is the best deal)
OS I would like to use windows 7/8 but would learn and use WHS if that is best for my needs...

I will
1. purchase the 120mm plane mod and update the 80mm fans to a quieter brand (fan suggestions welcomed)
2. purchase Cables, from the sata card to the back plan... if I said I am confused that is an under statement.. what cables do I need from sata card to back plane? what cables do I need from on board sata to back plane? I understand that the cables
need to be longer with the120mm back plane added.

what I do..
1. watch mkv 1080p/ 720p movies and tv shows that I rip from BR disks that I own, or TV shows that i DVR, some tv shows aren't 720... i have 3 htpc that are all I3's and 2 ipad2s.
2, I use vlc to watch the videos and am happy with that set-up, I have MB for windows 7, and the structure is there, but VLC and opening the containing folder is good enough for me and what I do 90% of the time.
3. i get on my htpc open computer and select "dvr tv shows" and pick whatever show I haven't watched and boom.. all through vlc...

I just need a bigger drive pool? and of course your help.... thanks in advance..
post #7749 of 7891
Just off the top of my head, I would stay away from PCI cards. Get some IBM M1015s instead.
post #7750 of 7891
Quote:
Originally Posted by miked5468 View Post

Hey all , looking for help ... I am wanting to build a Media server and am looking at this setup..

Case Norco 4220
MB Gigabyte Ga-Z77x-ud5h
CPU I5-2310
Sata SUPERMICRO AOC-SAT2-MV8 64-bit PCI-X133MHz
Memory G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
PSU CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply


Hard drives that I have and would like to reuse are WD green, Samsung, Seagate and Hitachi...okay,I buy what is the best deal at the time.... all 2tb.
OS will be on a SSD (again what ever is the best deal)
OS I would like to use windows 7/8 but would learn and use WHS if that is best for my needs...

I will
1. purchase the 120mm plane mod and update the 80mm fans to a quieter brand (fan suggestions welcomed)
2. purchase Cables, from the sata card to the back plan... if I said I am confused that is an under statement.. what cables do I need from sata card to back plane? what cables do I need from on board sata to back plane? I understand that the cables
need to be longer with the120mm back plane added.

what I do..
1. watch mkv 1080p/ 720p movies and tv shows that I rip from BR disks that I own, or TV shows that i DVR, some tv shows aren't 720... i have 3 htpc that are all I3's and 2 ipad2s.
2, I use vlc to watch the videos and am happy with that set-up, I have MB for windows 7, and the structure is there, but VLC and opening the containing folder is good enough for me and what I do 90% of the time.
3. i get on my htpc open computer and select "dvr tv shows" and pick whatever show I haven't watched and boom.. all through vlc...

I just need a bigger drive pool? and of course your help.... thanks in advance..

I have nearly the same setup except I have a Supermicro server board and I upgraded my CPU to a Xeon 4 core chip because I do lots of transcoding.

Do you plan on doing any transcoding? Plex and/or XBMC? If not and you dont plan on it in the future, consider a lower power CPU like an i3.

As for the card mentioned in previous post you would insert card and run a SAS to SAS cable to the backplane on the Norco. The Norco has 20 drives in 5 x 4. This means it has 5 SAS connections, one to each backplane on the norco which controls 4 drives on the backplane. No need to SATA cable when you have SAS. However most cards do not have 5 SAS connections. My LSI card has 4 so I can only control 4 backblances (ie 16 drives) in my norco 4220. For the other three I can run SATA III cables directly to the drives in the array.
post #7751 of 7891
I don't plan on doing transcoding, and am looking at using something like MB or XBMC to have a slicker look. Is the sata card a good choice, or should I get the IBM card instead? Thanks For the help
post #7752 of 7891
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Originally Posted by miked5468 View Post

I don't plan on doing transcoding, and am looking at using something like MB or XBMC to have a slicker look. Is the sata card a good choice, or should I get the IBM card instead? Thanks For the help

I have never used the IBM but I know that bang for buck it is a great deal and fast. Just remember when getting the card to get it with right firmware. I am not sure about the specifics but I know that the card needs a speicific firmware to work well.
post #7753 of 7891
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

I have never used the IBM but I know that bang for buck it is a great deal and fast. Just remember when getting the card to get it with right firmware. I am not sure about the specifics but I know that the card needs a speicific firmware to work well.

You don't need to get the card with any particular firmware. You just flash the correct firmware yourself.
post #7754 of 7891
Quote:
Originally Posted by miked5468 View Post

Hey all , looking for help ... I am wanting to build a Media server and am looking at this setup..

Case Norco 4220
MB Gigabyte Ga-Z77x-ud5h
CPU I5-2310
Sata SUPERMICRO AOC-SAT2-MV8 64-bit PCI-X133MHz
Memory G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
PSU CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply


Hard drives that I have and would like to reuse are WD green, Samsung, Seagate and Hitachi...okay,I buy what is the best deal at the time.... all 2tb.
OS will be on a SSD (again what ever is the best deal)
OS I would like to use windows 7/8 but would learn and use WHS if that is best for my needs...

I will
1. purchase the 120mm plane mod and update the 80mm fans to a quieter brand (fan suggestions welcomed)
2. purchase Cables, from the sata card to the back plan... if I said I am confused that is an under statement.. what cables do I need from sata card to back plane? what cables do I need from on board sata to back plane? I understand that the cables
need to be longer with the120mm back plane added.

what I do..
1. watch mkv 1080p/ 720p movies and tv shows that I rip from BR disks that I own, or TV shows that i DVR, some tv shows aren't 720... i have 3 htpc that are all I3's and 2 ipad2s.
2, I use vlc to watch the videos and am happy with that set-up, I have MB for windows 7, and the structure is there, but VLC and opening the containing folder is good enough for me and what I do 90% of the time.
3. i get on my htpc open computer and select "dvr tv shows" and pick whatever show I haven't watched and boom.. all through vlc...

I just need a bigger drive pool? and of course your help.... thanks in advance..


I built a few servers like your looking at (norco 4220)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438027/planning-to-rebuild-my-20tb-whs-flexraid-server-information-requested/900_50#post_23355026

Should help you. smile.gif
post #7755 of 7891
Finally got serious about upgrading my NAS. I've been using a WHS w/18TB for quite some time, but space is now at a premium. Today, I picked up a 24 bay hot-swap case, the Norco-4224. I managed to pick it up locally (not so new) but in great shape for $175. I figured it was a steal. I'm picking up board and chip tomorrow, and 24 3TB Seagate Drives, which will give me 72TB or so. I will be using FlexRAID on WHS 2011 to built i out, with the boot drive being a 256GB Samsung 840 SSD.

I'm busy debating the board and controller cards I'm going to need. At this moment, I'm leaning toward a 990FX board and something like an 8xxx CPU, the combo price at Microcenter at the moment is very good. The hitch is going to be that I will have to order in the Controller cards, which I am leaning toward the Supermicro USAS2-L8i.

I'm debating setting up this weekend with 7 3TB Drives (1 of the 8 onboard SATA has to be boot, I can install from a USB Boot device) and move all my data over from my current WHS while I wait on the controller cards to come in. But I'm wondering about whether or not after the cards come in if I could "add" them to a FlexRaid or if I would need to build other FlexRAID drives in the system, I'm interested in feedback on this.

I started out thinking about all 4TB, which would be 96TB, but those drives, even on sale are $189, whereas I can get the 3TB for $129 at the moment; so the difference is significant (60*24=$1440) and it doesn't seem like it's worth the expense right now. I just want enough room where I'm years away from doing this again; 18TB has held me over for 3 years; I figure 72TB should buy me plenty of time.
post #7756 of 7891
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Originally Posted by tmservo View Post

I'm busy debating the board and controller cards I'm going to need. At this moment, I'm leaning toward a 990FX board and something like an 8xxx CPU, the combo price at Microcenter at the moment is very good. The hitch is going to be that I will have to order in the Controller cards, which I am leaning toward the Supermicro USAS2-L8i.
I like more Supermicro mobos with built in intel nics, but a lot of people here have had good luck with consumer grade mobos, up to you. On the HBAs, i would search ebay for IBM M1015, you can find them around $100 and they can be flashed to 9211-8i IT firmware, and are one of the best regarded HBAs for stogage servers. Should work well with WHS2011+Flexraid, works also fine on unRaid, ZFS, FreeNAS, etc, its a nice versitle cheap card. Not sure how it will work on AMD setup though.
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Originally Posted by tmservo View Post

I started out thinking about all 4TB, which would be 96TB, but those drives, even on sale are $189, whereas I can get the 3TB for $129 at the moment; so the difference is significant (60*24=$1440) and it doesn't seem like it's worth the expense right now. I just want enough room where I'm years away from doing this again; 18TB has held me over for 3 years; I figure 72TB should buy me plenty of time.
The Seagate Desktop HDD.15 ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive has gone on sale twice now on Amazon, Newegg and NCIX for $150, i think there is a cupon sale till sunday for the same $150, using coupon code EMCYTZT3538
Edited by Abula - 6/1/13 at 11:48pm
post #7757 of 7891
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Originally Posted by Abula View Post

I like more Supermicro mobos with built in intel nics, but a lot of people here have had good luck with consumer grade mobos, up to you. On the HBAs, i would search ebay for IBM M1015, you can find them around $100 and they can be flashed to 9211-8i IT firmware, and are one of the best regarded HBAs for stogage servers. Should work well with WHS2011+Flexraid, works also fine on unRaid, ZFS, FreeNAS, etc, its a nice versitle cheap card. Not sure how it will work on AMD setup though.
The Seagate Desktop HDD.15 ST4000DM000 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive has gone on sale twice now on Amazon, Newegg and NCIX for $150, i think there is a cupon sale till sunday for the same $150, using coupon code EMCYTZT3538

The Seagate drive is a great drive. I have about 5 of the 4TB that I got for around 139 when on sale. At this point I won't bother with 3TB anymore and just pick up a 4TB drive here and there as the price drops or a sale occurs.
post #7758 of 7891
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The Seagate drive is a great drive. I have about 5 of the 4TB that I got for around 139 when on sale. At this point I won't bother with 3TB anymore and just pick up a 4TB drive here and there as the price drops or a sale occurs.

Well, I worked out a deal with a local vendor and I'm grabbing 10 of the 3TB and 10 of the 4TB. Basically, I'm grabbing an OEM-Prepack from a distributor, all nice and crated and the deal they cut was pretty good (boiled down to $119 on the 3TB drives, and $149 on the 4TB) All Seagate.
post #7759 of 7891
Great prices on great drives !

What do you plan to do with 700TB of storage ?
post #7760 of 7891
I think its 70 TB not 700 TB. Either your math is off or my math is off.
post #7761 of 7891
I only wish it was 700TB. smile.gif But 70 is fine. My current NAS (WHS V1) is getting full, it's 14TB (7 2TB Drives, boots to a 160GB drive).. so I'm going to port all my stuff over first (that's a task).

Since the most important thing I need is network storage, I grabbed WHS 2011 to deploy FlexRAID and will go from there.
post #7762 of 7891
I am in the process of going from about 14TB to about 36TB. About half my space is for backup. It fills up quickly and when 4K becomes standard 700TB may not be enough.
post #7763 of 7891
I meant 70. lol.

That's still a lot.

700 is insane!!!
post #7764 of 7891
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I meant 70. lol.

That's still a lot.

700 is insane!!!
Wait till we get 4k mastered movies..........................
post #7765 of 7891
Well, got it all built. Used StableBit to establish two Storage Pools, one 30TB, one 40TB (I should note: actually 27TB and change and 36TB and change blah drive manufacturers and their marketing crap). I wish I could have found a better way to break them apart; and I realize I'm breaking a "fundamental rule" of using a server board (pah) since I went with the Asrock Z77-Extreme4, but I was able to combo it with the i3-3225, which should be plenty for what I'm after.. Got the chip for ~$109 and the board, after a $40 Instant and combo for $99. So, not a bad deal.

I read through a lot of the thoughts on: buy this via ebay/etc. and where to get cheap, but couldn't buckle down and do it.. I invested a ton in the drives, so I figure grab something I would trust, so I picked up the 9201-16i. Since I'm just using in JBOD (pass through) and letting Stablebit handle drive pooling, ti's a nice fit for now. I'm still running into hiccups; I started copying all the data from my old HS to my new this morning, 8AM, and here it is, 1030, and I'm at about 30%. I'm getting a decent transfer consistently.. about 44Mb, which is to be figured since I have a lot of other network traffic throughout the day to the original HS, but still.. it's projecting another 18 hours before done.. what bogs it down is all the little MP3s and crap..

Just using everything else pretty stock; onboard video, 16Gb memory, 1TB Boot Drive.. I realize lots of people doing SSD, but I'm not storing anything on it and how long it takes to boot to a NAS is really low priority for me; once it's up and running it's up and running... and it's not running any software on it for me.
post #7766 of 7891
Interesting mobo was shown in Computex 2013 for a server,

Computex: ASRock debuts Z87 motherboard with 22 SATA-ports
Quote:
We'll start you off with the Z87 Extreme11/ac. This E-ATX motherboard is the manufacturer's most complete and high-end creation to date. It features no less than 22 SATA-ports. Six SATA 6 Gb/s connectors come from the Z87 chipset. The additional sixteen SAS/SATA ports are courtesy of an LSI SAS 3008 + SAS 3 x 24R controller. The board also features Thunderbolt, 802.11ac and dual Gigabit LAN.

post #7767 of 7891
That's ideal for me with my current IBM flashed to HBA x8 card.

Rather than spending $120 for another HBA card- I could just get that. Now I wish I had more than 20 drive bays.
post #7768 of 7891
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

That's ideal for me with my current IBM flashed to HBA x8 card.

Rather than spending $120 for another HBA card- I could just get that. Now I wish I had more than 20 drive bays.
Well its similar, as this mobo will retail above $400
post #7769 of 7891
I've never liked having HBA(s) integrated on the motherboard. I prefer the flexibility of having several discrete HBAs like the IBM M1015. They are fairly cheap, so I always keep an extra one or two around in case one fails and I need to replace one (but it has not happened yet, those suckers are tough). I can keep the HBAs if I change motherboards. And the M1015 HBAs tend to give you more choices with firmware than the motherboard integrated HBAs.
post #7770 of 7891
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Originally Posted by jim2100 View Post

I've never liked having HBA(s) integrated on the motherboard. I prefer the flexibility of having several discrete HBAs like the IBM M1015. They are fairly cheap, so I always keep an extra one or two around in case one fails and I need to replace one (but it has not happened yet, those suckers are tough). I can keep the HBAs if I change motherboards. And the M1015 HBAs tend to give you more choices with firmware than the motherboard integrated HBAs.

On second thought I agree. I considered it for a minute and changed my mind.
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