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post #121 of 4072
Breaking Bad may be the best show on TV right now.
Perfect "10" episode, especially the Mexico flashback and Drug Kingpin/CEO meeting.
Walt was well..."breaking bad" with his wife in a suprising way that was unexpected. Walt needs to be weary of "the fury of a woman scorned" as she may flip-out and do anything next.
Poor Jesse kept calling his dead girl friend's number until it was disconnected...he may never fully recover.

What other TV show can maintain this level of tension and continue to suprise?
post #122 of 4072
I think the "real" Skyler is starting to emerge too, not just Walt. This week we see she is willing to screw her boss purely to hurt Walt, and she as much as admitted to the lawyer that she was anxious for Walt to die. I've always felt that her reaction to his illegal activity was too sudden and extreme, now we are learning that she was really wanting a reason to dump him.

Walt continues to live in a fantasy world and sees none of this, not to mention the fact that if he is living at home his whole family is in danger.

Another outstanding episode in what may be the best season yet.
post #123 of 4072
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

I heard, "I phucked Ted"
which it looks like Skyler did

That's ridiculous. You can't say the f-word on non-premium cable. Why would they put that in the dialog if they had to cut it out?
post #124 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

That's ridiculous. You can't say the f-word on non-premium cable. Why would they put that in the dialog if they had to cut it out?

It'll be on the DVD/BD release, which is where the real money is made. Obviously, the word was used by Skyler for effect.
post #125 of 4072
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Breaking Bad may be the best show on TV right now.

One thing I'm concerned about and it's not that Bryan Cranston thinks the world wants to see him in his underpants every week.

What's been going on in Breaking Bad Season Three? Skyler just had a baby which she adores and doesn't want Walt near. Skyler kicked Walter out of the house and they're going through a long drawn-out divorce. Skyler doesn't have much means to support herself so is weary of the divorce. She's also getting old and wonders if she will ever find another guy. She's discovered that Walter has been lying about everything, has money hidden in the house, and has been living a double life. Walter is desperate to have his family life back and his kid misses him a lot. Skyler has (maybe) cheated on Walter to get back at him. The domestic drama is starting to take more and more time from the main plot.

Does this sound strangely familiar? Then you must have seen Mad Men Season Three too.

I don't think Breaking Bad will make the mistake of turning the show into a soap opera however.
post #126 of 4072
Skyler has (maybe) cheated on Walter to get back at him.

Maybe?!?

This week we see she is willing to screw her boss purely to hurt Walt, and she as much as admitted to the lawyer that she was anxious for Walt to die.

I think there's an attraction there too, one that she figured "why resist any longer?" I suspect she may have some problems getting shed of him, however, and that Walt may indulge his dark side on this development.

Remember that she and Junior were the ones insisting on Walt's getting the cancer treatment. He was ready to go gentle into the good night. I think she has mixed emotions, considering the sort of hate she's manifesting now is clearly the other side of the coin from love. I think right now she is furious that Walt has outflanked her with her son and fears if she outs Walt, Walt Jr. will never forgive her. Junior will have to discover dad's dark side on his own.
post #127 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Does this sound strangely familiar? Then you must have seen Mad Men Season Three too.

lol, so not the same. They were in the 40's/50's and always drunk...
post #128 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Vipfreak View Post

lol, so not the same. They were in the 40's/50's and always drunk...

I was talking about Mad Men, the show set in the early 60's.
post #129 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

Skyler has (maybe) cheated on Walter to get back at him.

Maybe?!?

I wasn't paying too much attention. Did I miss a scene where they were having sex?

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Remember that she and Junior were the ones insisting on Walt's getting the cancer treatment. He was ready to go gentle into the good night.

You can attach some possible selfish motives as to why Skyler wanted Walt to get treatment. Like Betty Draper in that other AMC show, she wanted more than anything to have a complete and presentable family and didn't want to go back to work and him dying would make her life difficult. She probably felt insulted that he would rather die and leave their family fatherless than fight to stay with them as long as possible, especially since he had a baby on the way.

I'm not sure if admitting to her lawyer that she hoped he'd die is really how she felt at the time. This was before he became a criminal and started lying to her all the time. I'm sure being married to Walter White before that was no picnic with his temper, his ego, his poor financial decisions, his self pity, and his unfocused anger at the world.
post #130 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Shaded Dogfood View Post

I think there's an attraction there too, one that she figured "why resist any longer?" I suspect she may have some problems getting shed of him, however, and that Walt may indulge his dark side on this development.

You think Walt might pay him a visit and tell him to "stay out of his territory"?
post #131 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

That's ridiculous. You can't say the f-word on non-premium cable. Why would they put that in the dialog if they had to cut it out?

She definitely said "I fuccked Ted". I rewound it, and turned on the closed captions to make sure. They said "I f--ked Ted". I wasn't sure I heard it right, but the CC confirmed it.
post #132 of 4072
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You think Walt might pay him a visit and tell him to "stay out of his territory"?

No that would be crazy... oh wait a minute, this is Walt we're talking about. Maybe he'll do something really nasty like tell Flynn/Walt Jr. that his mother is sleeping around on him. He's doing a great job of appearing to be the good guy while Skyler is backed in a corner.

I hope they find something for Jesse to do now that his dead heroin girl's phone is disconnected.

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Originally Posted by rustycruser View Post

She definitely said "I fuccked Ted". I rewound it, and turned on the closed captions to make sure. They said "I f--ked Ted". I wasn't sure I heard it right, but the CC confirmed it.

The episode title even celebrates the line: "I.F.T."

I still like "I fa-- Ted." though.
post #133 of 4072
I think AMC is pushing the envelope. It is time to get over such backward ridiculous rules over certain words. FX has the series with the "s" word a lot. Syfy has pre-DVD release movies that they censor but it sounds so ridiculous because you know damn well what they are saying. The US has to catch up with the rest of the world.
post #134 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

FX has the series with the "s" word a lot.

Yet the f-word is also snipped out there, even the one time it would have been funny on Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

It's incredible to think that the f-word, quietly spoken once, would be more shocking to viewers than seeing a guy strangled to death with a bike lock or a decapitated head explode completely severing a guy's leg. I would have gladly had these scenes toned down a bit but then I use the f-word more often than I kill people.
post #135 of 4072
It turns out that when AMC reaired the episode later last night, they left the f-word in. They just didn't want it in the 7PM slot.
post #136 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

I was talking about Mad Men, the show set in the early 60's.

Same difference? I was guessing actually, It seems like all those periods at times.
post #137 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

That's ridiculous. You can't say the f-word on non-premium cable. Why would they put that in the dialog if they had to cut it out?

"Breaking Bad" is edited for AMC (Despite the TV-MA), IFC has broadcast the true unedited version (at least for Season 1.)

"Mad Men" and "Breaking Bad" were shot in 16:9, but originally shown in 4:3, AMC like to edit alot.
post #138 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

The domestic drama is starting to take more and more time from the main plot.

Does this sound strangely familiar? Then you must have seen Mad Men Season Three too.

I don't think Breaking Bad will make the mistake of turning the show into a soap opera however.

This is the same episode that had the Mexican Death twins hack a man's head off, to later be put on a turtle......and a brutal Bar Fight...not too soapy or operatic in my opinion.
post #139 of 4072
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

This is the same episode that had the Mexican Death twins hack a man's head off, to later be put on a turtle......and a brutal Bar Fight...not too soapy or operatic in my opinion.

Revolting violence doesn't mean the basic plot isn't a soap. The Godfather is the best example of this. Many telenovellas have a shocking amount of violence with drug dealers and mafia torturing and murdering people, usually off screen.
post #140 of 4072
Just because Skyler said "I f____ked Ted" doesn't mean she actually did. Just sayin'
post #141 of 4072
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Originally Posted by fsujay View Post

Just because Skyler said "I f____ked Ted" doesn't mean she actually did. Just sayin'

A moot point if you're Walt, and a minor distinction if one is willing to say it when it's not true.
post #142 of 4072
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Originally Posted by fsujay View Post

Just because Skyler said "I f____ked Ted" doesn't mean she actually did. Just sayin'

Of course she did. Thats why she asked if Ted's kids were home and replied no.
post #143 of 4072
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Of course she did. Thats why she asked if Ted's kids were home and replied no.

and

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Previews for next week show them in bed
post #144 of 4072
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Of course she did. Thats why she asked if Ted's kids were home and replied no.

Disregarding the spoiler above, Ted could have said, "No thanks. You're not a MILF." I guess that scene would have been too good to leave out if it had been written, especially since they wouldn't have had to edit any words out.
post #145 of 4072
Am I the only person who finds her failure to really respond to the giant bag of cash astonishing? Sanctimonious ******** dies fast the minute hard cash appears.

I thought Walt's "I earned this" speech serves very nicely as the show's thesis. Breaking Bad's core comment on the world is the same one from Fight Club, only not packaged in a way that appeals to morons. The show is a commentary on the death of American manhood. What Walt's really fighting for at this stage is that shred of dignity that comes from getting ahead by your own ingenuity.
post #146 of 4072
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Am I the only person who finds her failure to really respond to the giant bag of cash astonishing? Sanctimonious ******** dies fast the minute hard cash appears.

Perhaps you are. She knew that Walter was deep in the drug business. Everyone knows it's a cash business. No big surprise that he was babysitting a big bag of cash. She knows Walter is deluded enough to think he can buy his family back. I think she felt at that point, "Yep, this is exactly why I'm divorcing this pathetic selfish man."

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The show is a commentary on the death of American manhood. What Walt's really fighting for at this stage is that shred of dignity that comes from getting ahead by your own ingenuity.

I wasn't aware getting ahead by your own ingenuity in America is reserved for men only.

From what I've seen, Walter is the sum of his own poor choices which were fueled by his egocentricity, his sense of infallibility, his jealousy of people like Schwartz who succeeded in doing what he didn't do, and his self pity. He didn't have to teach high school chemistry but he did because he could feel sorry for himself while doing it, making a fraction of what he would make at a college and a tiny fraction of what he would earn as a chemical engineer. He said he "chose to dedicate himself to education" but have we seen one moment when he enjoyed teaching?
post #147 of 4072
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

From what I've seen, Walter is the sum of his own poor choices which were fueled by his egocentricity, his sense of infallibility, his jealousy of people like Schwartz who succeeded in doing what he didn't do, and his self pity.

I'm guessing you don't support a family. Walt's choices were made based on his need to support his family, but obviously all the rest comes into play too. That's just human nature. He didn't make the choices because of his lot in life, he made them because he thought he was dying and his family would be left with nothing. If that's "egocentric", so be it but it's not a bad outcome.

Skyler has absolutely no moral high ground here, not any more. She's helping her boss commit fraud and tax evasion and sleeping with him to boot. So clearly her own morality is based on "situation" just like Walt's. Which is really the point of the series: we all make moral choices based on "situational factors" and then deal with the consequences later. I expect that we will soon see Skyler having to deal with the consequences of her own choices the same as Walt.
post #148 of 4072
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I'm guessing you don't support a family.

You guessed wrong.

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Walt's choices were made based on his need to support his family, but obviously all the rest comes into play too. That's just human nature. He didn't make the choices because of his lot in life, he made them because he thought he was dying and his family would be left with nothing.

Have you heard of life insurance? It's great. If I die, my family will be well taken care of. They won't get $1.2 million dollars but they will get money that I know won't be seized by the Feds later and I don't even have to break the law.

If Walter opted not to pay a few bucks a month for life insurance to protect his family in case he died then that's just another classic Walter White decision that helped put his family in the situation it's in.

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If that's "egocentric", so be it but it's not a bad outcome.

I'm not talking only about what he did during the timeline of show. I'm including the countless foolish life choices he made before he was diagnosed with lung cancer. He chose not to go into business with Schwartz because he had a temper-tantrum and walked away from the negotiating table. Why he didn't bother to get a high-paying job in the chemical industry or a well-paying job teaching at a university is a mystery but I'm guessing it's because he couldn't stand being around people who are as brilliant as he is. He felt great teaching in a high school surrounded by dumb teachers and students and felt that a low salary was small price to pay for feeling like a god among his coworkers every day.

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Skyler has absolutely no moral high ground here, not any more. She's helping her boss commit fraud and tax evasion and sleeping with him to boot. So clearly her own morality is based on "situation" just like Walt's.

Fraud, tax evasion and adultery. Look at it this way. Has she strangled anyone with a bike lock yet? Has she idly watched a young woman choke to death on her own vomit because her death would be convenient? Has she filled the Southwest with 40+ pounds of 99.4% pure meth so addicts can rob law-abiding people and slowly kill themselves while making her rich? A little fraud and tax evasion is peanuts compared to the pain and death Walter White has left in his wake while "providing for his family". I'm not even including the plane collision which he was indirectly responsible for.

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Which is really the point of the series: we all make moral choices based on "situational factors" and then deal with the consequences later. I expect that we will soon see Skyler having to deal with the consequences of her own choices the same as Walt.

That may be the point of a Law and Order episode but I see this show as something much more complicated. I think the point of the series is that a smart man can make dumb decisions and when paying for the consequences of those decisions, can make even dumber decisions for which there will be even more drastic consequences. Ultimately Walter White is the complete sum of his own flawed egocentric decision making and will continue down this path until he dies or gets arrested.
post #149 of 4072
Let's not forget that Skyler is now an accessory to Walt's crimes, and the longer she waits (and she surely seems in for the long haul), the deeper a hole she is digging for herself.
post #150 of 4072
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Originally Posted by MeowMeow View Post

Am I the only person who finds her failure to really respond to the giant bag of cash astonishing? Sanctimonious ******** dies fast the minute hard cash appears.

I thought Walt's "I earned this" speech serves very nicely as the show's thesis. Breaking Bad's core comment on the world is the same one from Fight Club, only not packaged in a way that appeals to morons. The show is a commentary on the death of American manhood. What Walt's really fighting for at this stage is that shred of dignity that comes from getting ahead by your own ingenuity.

or maybe a critique of it. or maybe not.

what I like about BB is its seeming lack of philosophical pretensions. unlike mad men and sopranos (which I also love) I never feel the BB writers working out some sort of thesis, or attempting to Say Something. they're content to just keep the pot boiling and observe the characters.

I don't know how long they can keep this up, though. as someone said, at some point walt must be whacked or jailed. but this is the one show on TV that never languishes on my DVR while I decide whether I'm in the mood for it. I watch it as soon as I can and savor every minute.
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