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post #1411 of 2288
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Originally Posted by MeowMeow View Post

Finished ep 13, finally.

Here's my problem: this exact point is where the show should end.

I trust the writers enough to follow the show for 16 more episodes, but at the end of the day this is a Desmond reunited with Penny moment. Walt having successfully vanquished his enemies will deflate the entire show.

The only direction the show can go is darker and darker. And, truth be told, there's no credible way for Walt to set up a distribution network. Walt tried this and he really, really sucked at it. Even if you buy the idea that Walt has now had a complete psychic break, that isn't going to make him more competent.

Frankly, if it turns into 16 episodes of Uncle Hank tying up loose ends, I will be pissed.

There is a huge vacuum in the drug market now. The cartel is gone. Gus's operations are in shambles. It wouldn't take much to make Walt kingpin.
post #1412 of 2288
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

There is a huge vacuum in the drug market now. The cartel is gone. Gus's operations are in shambles. It wouldn't take much to make Walt kingpin.

I think there is a real possibility that Walt will become the new kingpin. Lord knows, Walt is both smart enough and ruthless enough to pull it off.
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post #1414 of 2288
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I think there is a real possibility that Walt will become the new kingpin. Lord knows, Walt is both smart enough and ruthless enough to pull it off.

Does he have any of the money left to start up a new lab?
post #1415 of 2288
Walt becomes the Kingpin while fighting off remnants of the cartel and having issues with the police until he succumbs to cancer and then Jessie takes over for Walt.

End of the show.
post #1416 of 2288
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Does he have any of the money left to start up a new lab?

I think Jesse has a lot of his money left...
post #1417 of 2288
I don't think Walt and Jesse have enough money between them to set up any kind of "super lab". They certainly wouldn't be able to find a place and have industrial equipment shipped in without leaving a trail. It seems likely Gus had either partners or a brother or family somewhere, maybe Germany that will show up to try to get production going on a grand scale like before. That is a hugh market without a supply at the moment. Would whoever shows up suspect it was Walt that was responsible for Gus's death or think it was Hector's revenge with a little outside help?
post #1418 of 2288
So is there more to learn about Gus's mysterious past or did the writers actually leave that hanging? There must be more about Chile, no?
post #1419 of 2288
Given Gus's creepy invulnerability, I kept waiting for the death toll to be announced during the final episode. Even after they finally announce "three" I had my suspicions. He comes out of the room with half his head blown off, but still walking? Would it be entirely beyond reason (hell, there have been some stretches in this show) for him to have another "superdoc" standing by, swap bodies at the scene, helicopter gus out to that desert operating facility, robocop him up a bit. Nah.....

But that does remind me of another irritating plot point. He and Jesse and Mike were tended to at that desert ops room by first class docs and facilities. Enormous expense. No limits. Planned to the last detail. ...... and they ended up having to walk how many miles to get picked up for the border crossing? Uh... would motorcycles, mopeds, bicycles, hell.... Segways for god's sake, been out of the question here? A chauffeured Hummer fer crissakes. It's Gus after all. Even if they were evading detection and all of that, why walk? It's "everything at my fingertips" Gus we're talking about here. Topping it off, Gus is stumbling sore from the poisoning, not 100 sure he can make it. That was just damn silly.
post #1420 of 2288
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

There is a huge vacuum in the drug market now. The cartel is gone. Gus's operations are in shambles. It wouldn't take much to make Walt kingpin.

Except that Walt has absolutely no way to produce any meth at this point. He's got nothing. He's got no gear, no raw materials and no way to distribute whatever he could produce unless he crawled back to Jesse. He's back to where he was before he met Jesse.

By the time he gets back into the game, the vacuum will be filled by other dealers who have been producing meth, like those scary guys buying meth supplies at the home improvement store in season two. Once they hear about a huge meth lab at a laundry being discovered, the weekend cookers will be working in shifts to meet the demand.
post #1421 of 2288
If Gilligan wants Walt to continue cooking on a large scale, the only thing he needs to consider is what nationality Gus' financial backers are.

I'm still betting, since this is a character show and not a plot show, that Walt will be somewhere different for the final season. Gilligan's got him where he wants him, now the question is what to do with him. Maybe a Godfather III thing ...

post #1422 of 2288
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Except that Walt has absolutely no way to produce any meth at this point. He's got nothing. He's got no gear, no raw materials and no way to distribute whatever he could produce unless he crawled back to Jesse. He's back to where he was before he met Jesse.

By the time he gets back into the game, the vacuum will be filled by other dealers who have been producing meth, like those scary guys buying meth supplies at the home improvement store in season two. Once they hear about a huge meth lab at a laundry being discovered, the weekend cookers will be working in shifts to meet the demand.

I don't see why any of this is true.

1) If someone's killing everyone in the meth business (Gus, Eliado), I might be weary of getting into it. Upstarts will be anxious about filling a void that is teeming with death.

2) Walt got into the meth business originally with no money. Walt has lost much of his wealth thanks to Skyler's old boss, but he still has more money than when he started, so he can just as easily start over with a modest operation. Can he produce the same quantities he could for Gus? No, but he doesn't need to. Gus was supplying internationally.

The real question that Gilligan and company would need to resolve is: why do it? If his cancer is gone and Gus/the Cartel is dead, Walt is free to just run the car wash like an ordinary businessman.
post #1423 of 2288
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

2) Walt got into the meth business originally with no money. Walt has lost much of his wealth thanks to Skyler's old boss, but he still has more money than when he started, so he can just as easily start over with a modest operation. Can he produce the same quantities he could for Gus? No, but he doesn't need to. Gus was supplying internationally.

This seems a likely scenario to me, too. Gus and Jesse probably have more than enough money between them to get their blue meth business going again. As you say, they wouldn't need a superlab for such an operation so their startup costs should be well within their combined means. The key to a new operation would be something Walt had always controlled: the uniquely high quality of his product.
post #1424 of 2288
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post


The real question that Gilligan and company would need to resolve is: why do it? If his cancer is gone and Gus/the Cartel is dead, Walt is free to just run the car wash like an ordinary businessman.

Most ordinary businessmen don't consider murder a realistic tactic. He started off meek and unrealized, a total fall from grace due to his general wimpiness. Now he wears a cool hat and kicks ass. Now he confronts the scariest, most violent characters imaginable and wins. The power of Heisenberg can't be contained once unleashed.
post #1425 of 2288
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Most ordinary businessmen don't consider murder a realistic tactic. He started off meek and unrealized, a total fall from grace due to his general wimpiness. Now he wears a cool hat and kicks ass. Now he confronts the scariest, most violent characters imaginable and wins. The power of Heisenberg can't be contained once unleashed.

Totally agree. Walt has morphed into someone (something) else. It would be impossible to go back, even if he wanted to. And, if he were forced to somehow, it could arguably be a fitting punishment. Karmic justice.
post #1426 of 2288
I disagree...............
the show started with a Huge Bang & they, the writers will have the show go out with another Huge Bang as well . We are talking about the BEST Drama on TV here ......THE END will be as good as the start & the plot twists will be strange indeed ...
post #1427 of 2288
Maybe Walt and Jesse can get a good used Prevost and start over. At least it would be bigger than the Winnebago.
post #1428 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Totally agree. Walt has morphed into someone (something) else. It would be impossible to go back, even if he wanted to. And, if he were forced to somehow, it could arguably be a fitting punishment. Karmic justice.


He has morphed into HEISENBURG!!!!!!!!
post #1429 of 2288
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Originally Posted by Lone Wanderer View Post


He has morphed into HEISENBURG!!!!!!!!

Um... yeah.
post #1430 of 2288
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Um... yeah.

I know right!
post #1431 of 2288
I finally finished season four...WOW! This is the best show on television. 'Nuf said!
post #1432 of 2288
To me the most intriguing part of the show is how Skylar is gradually descending to Walt's level of depravity. What a great scene when her lawyer lectured her that if she has anything to do with her criminal husband, she too would be a criminal.

This is a woman who left Walt because she thought he might have lied to her about having a secret cell phone. And now she is setting up a front business to launder drug proceeds! It will be interesting to see in Season 5 how they resolve the thread of Skylar's involvement in her former boss's death. If someone accidentally dies in the commission of a felony (such as extortion) it is considered murder.
post #1433 of 2288
Soooo, according to Anna Gunn, they're about to start filming season 5. That's not news...what is news is that they're only filming 8 episodes, with the final 8 to be filmed at the end of the year/early next year, which means we won't be seeing the final episodes until 2013.

Great job AMC. Great job. =\\

Keep milking it...
post #1434 of 2288
Argh, I was hoping they wouldn't go that route and just give us all sixteen episodes back-to-back. I wonder how they will release the final season on Blu-ray. "Season Five: Part 1" and "Season Five: Part 2"? I hope not.
post #1435 of 2288
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Argh, I was hoping they wouldn't go that route and just give us all sixteen episodes back-to-back. I wonder how they will release the final season on Blu-ray. "Season Five: Part 1" and "Season Five: Part 2"? I hope not.

Yeah they will !
I say good for them !
they want to milk as much cash as possible outta the show. I think it's cool
I can't blame them either , AMC needs the cash to give us the next Breakin'Bad type show ...
I know , seems like a Rip-off , but in the larger scheme of things , when a cable channel that has the Huge Nutz to put on BB in 1st place needs to be supported this way . Some of the best drama shows on TV are on the basic cable shows . I sure don't want the next BB style show on Showtime or worse HBO
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post #1437 of 2288
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Breaking Bad the 8-bit "Game".

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/67...eaking-bad-rpg

Hysterical. Both times.
post #1438 of 2288
You've unlocked HEISENBERG!

LOL!
post #1439 of 2288
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Originally Posted by moob View Post

Soooo, according to Anna Gunn, they're about to start filming season 5. That's not news...what is news is that they're only filming 8 episodes, with the final 8 to be filmed at the end of the year/early next year, which means we won't be seeing the final episodes until 2013.

Great job AMC. Great job. =\\

Keep milking it...

I hope that's not true...

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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Argh, I was hoping they wouldn't go that route and just give us all sixteen episodes back-to-back. I wonder how they will release the final season on Blu-ray. "Season Five: Part 1" and "Season Five: Part 2"? I hope not.

Now this I'd be okay with. I just don't want to wait a full two years in between seasons 4 and 5.
post #1440 of 2288
TV Notes
Bryan Cranston: 'Breaking Bad' will split final season
By James Hibberd, EW.com's 'Inside TV' Blog - Apr. 6, 2012

The question of whether AMC will indeed split the final season of Breaking Bad is close to an official verdict.

Emmy-winning series star Bryan Cranston says AMC will break the award-winning drama's final 16-episode season into two separate runs, as reports have speculated for months. We're splitting it, says Cranston, who's currently shooting the fifth season premiere in New Mexico. We're going to shoot the first eight, then take a four-month production break, then the rest will air next year.

The network has not announced a premiere date for Breaking Bad, though actors on the show say the drama will return in July.

AMC and Sony Pictures TV have maintained radio silence on the show's return and distribution plan. A studio spokesperson says the four-month production hiatus is one scenario that's being considered. The network wants to divide the final 16 hour so it has a strong summer drama airing this year and the next (it would also presumably allow Breaking Bad to be eligible for two award-season cycles). With Breaking Bad production underway and summer right around the corner, obviously the schedule should get firmed up soon, though AMC has shown a willingness to engage in some production brinksmanship in the past.

Cranston, who's directing the upcoming April 11 episode of ABC's Modern Family, is expected to direct the ninth episode of Breaking Bad's final season (the 2013 premiere, assuming all goes according to plan).

We pick up right where we left off, Cranston says of the fifth season opener. We're cleaning up the pieces from last season's huge ordeal where Gus Fring was forced to meet his maker. It's not as easy as Walter thought. And as we've discovered over the years, you don't really know who Walter White is. I'm still discovering who he is and I'm trying to allow myself to be open to him going darker and darker. There's physical danger to himself and his family, plus there's the emotional danger due to his anger and hubris. It's about the evil that men do and where that takes him.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/06/br...inal-season-2/
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