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post #2371 of 4072
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Originally Posted by JimWinVA View Post

I'm almost more interested to see Jesse's fate. His development has been like a mirror-image of Walt's. He started off bad, even reveling in being a bad-ass (though he never really was- just a mis-guided junkie), but since Jane's death and getting sober, he has become progressively more aware of the effects of his actions and is growing in a positive direction. He was trapped in his circumstances, but tried to do the best he could to minimize the negative consequences and when he had the opportunity to get out, he took it. He even refused to be manipulated by Walt into returning; he chose to forget about the money, rather than be sucked back in. He'd rather be broke and do what he thinks is right than be rich, get even richer but have to keep being a criminal.

You just gave me my first idea on how it could end. Walt causes his own (assuredly dramatic) death to somehow save Jesse, thus redeeming himself, giving Jesse a chance, and of course, dying like everyone wants. As long as he takes Skyler with him, I'd be satisfied with that.
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I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Dexter.
post #2373 of 4072
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

You just gave me my first idea on how it could end. Walt causes his own (assuredly dramatic) death to somehow save Jesse, thus redeeming himself, giving Jesse a chance, and of course, dying like everyone wants. As long as he takes Skyler with him, I'd be satisfied with that.

Nice idea- that would be satisfying.

Except for the Skyler part; so many love to hate on her. I understand, I disliked her at first too; she got in the way of our beloved protagonist. But as the series has progressed- and w/ hindsight and re-watching, I've come to believe she is a real victim of Walt's machinations. Her responses were reasonable and valid, imo, in the beginning. The more she got sucked into Walt's world, due to her (questionable) choice to not abandon her family, the more she makes poor choices (one of the recurring themes of the show). But her conscience eats at her, as she is unwilling and/or unable to partake in the justification that Walt does. She and Jesse are the soul of the show; they are deeply affected by their choices/consequences. Walt feels them, but practices avoidance and justification. Is not Pride the root of his downfall? I hope Jesse and Sky both survive and end up reasonably well off.
post #2374 of 4072
Same here, never understood all the Skyler hating. She's been a bitch at times, sure, but usually with good reason. I guess you might want her to go if you didn't like her selling out to the dope scheme in the last couple of seasons.
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Originally Posted by JimWinVA View Post

Nice idea- that would be satisfying.

Except for the Skyler part; so many love to hate on her. I understand, I disliked her at first too; she got in the way of our beloved protagonist. But as the series has progressed- and w/ hindsight and re-watching, I've come to believe she is a real victim of Walt's machinations. Her responses were reasonable and valid, imo, in the beginning. The more she got sucked into Walt's world, due to her (questionable) choice to not abandon her family, the more she makes poor choices (one of the recurring themes of the show). But her conscience eats at her, as she is unwilling and/or unable to partake in the justification that Walt does. She and Jesse are the soul of the show; they are deeply affected by their choices/consequences. Walt feels them, but practices avoidance and justification. Is not Pride the root of his downfall? I hope Jesse and Sky both survive and end up reasonably well off.

I good part of my distaste for Skyler, and many television female characters for years, is mostly a manifestation of my dim view of how they're written. So I can either hate the writers, or, buy into the reality of the show and hate the character smile.gif

I have a simple rule - you own the results of your behavior. Skyler blames everyone but herself for her situation, and then makes even more bad choices as a result. Your basic downward, self-driven spiral.

Jesse has far more reason to blame Walt (if you consider premeditated murder a bad thing) but he did some self-assessment, made some choices, and hopefully is on a road to some kind of life. It's interesting, just distant memory here, that a positive trait, personal loyalty, is informing some of his bad decisions, so at least he's got an excuse. Skyler has no excuse - she wants what she wants, she's an adulterer and a thief don't forget, and that's the story of her life.
post #2376 of 4072
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post



I have a simple rule - you own the results of your behavior. Skyler blames everyone but herself for her situation, and then makes even more bad choices as a result. Your basic downward, self-driven spiral.

If you do not create the situation you are in, then you simply react to it .. she had few choices and made the best of what she thought was a bad situation from the get go ..

Cheers to Skyler ..
post #2377 of 4072
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

If you do not create the situation you are in, then you simply react to it .. she had few choices and made the best of what she thought was a bad situation from the get go ..

Cheers to Skyler ..
Agreed. And there's another factor involved-the mother bear's love of her cubs. I don't think any of the choices she's made were for personal interest or gain. Its all about the children for her. And the affair was a direct result of her alienation from Walt. And what caused the alienation? Her belief that Walt was putting himself first without thinking of the kids. All she can see is he put their children in danger. Yeah, she can be a total bitch if she thinks her kids are threatened. Thats part of being a mother.
post #2378 of 4072
Skyler is a passive-aggressive control freak who takes entitlement to pathological levels. And that's with Marie. A reactive context can be mitigating, but excusing? Sorry, no.

Since this is fiction, and therefore was made up by writers, speculating about the writer's intent is a useful tool.

Question of the day: Do the writers intend Skyler to be a sympathetic/positive character?

My view is the writers are showing us that you don't have to be a psycho-killer drug dealer to be a horrible person. They're right next door.
post #2379 of 4072
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Same here, never understood all the Skyler hating. She's been a bitch at times, sure, but usually with good reason. I guess you might want her to go if you didn't like her selling out to the dope scheme in the last couple of seasons.

I didn't see her selling out to the dope scheme at all; I see her as a victim of circumstances w/ few choices and she picked the lesser of the evils. I agree w/ the post above that her main motivation is her children. Knowing Walt's choices, she could abandon her family, turn Walt in and harm her kids or help Walt not to get caught. She hates helping Walt; ergo all her emotional upheaval, but she is doing what she thinks is best for the family. Her getting boxed in like this is just another consequence of Walt's choices; another illustration of how in choosing to help his family by breaking bad he has actually harmed them. And the longer he has stuck w/ his choice, despite the mounting evidence of it's inefficacy, the worse the consequences have become for him personally and for his family.
post #2380 of 4072
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Skyler is a passive-aggressive control freak who takes entitlement to pathological levels. And that's with Marie. A reactive context can be mitigating, but excusing? Sorry, no.

Since this is fiction, and therefore was made up by writers, speculating about the writer's intent is a useful tool.

Question of the day: Do the writers intend Skyler to be a sympathetic/positive character?

My view is the writers are showing us that you don't have to be a psycho-killer drug dealer to be a horrible person. They're right next door.

Control freak? Wow- I see it exactly the opposite: someone who is put into circumstances where they have little to no control. To me, that was the impetus behind the adultery; that was one way she could take some control, in a situation where she couldn't turn in her husband, nor even get this drug dealer out of her house. She did it partly to hurt Walt, sure, but also to gain a little control over her life. Her only viable option was to take the baby and abandon her son (while never being able to explain to him why she left), which she tried but couldn't force herself to follow through.
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I dunno. I think they are showing us good people sometimes do horrible things. And that there is no distinction between me and my neighbor-that good and evil clash in all of us.

Like everybody else on this show Skylar is deeply flawed. Heck the most honorable man on the show was a hitman, The 2nd was a drug lord.
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Skyler is a passive-aggressive control freak who takes entitlement to pathological levels. And that's with Marie. A reactive context can be mitigating, but excusing? Sorry, no.

Have you known many women .. ?? wink.gif
post #2383 of 4072
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

I dunno. I think they are showing us good people sometimes do horrible things. And that there is no distinction between me and my neighbor-that good and evil clash in all of us.

+1. I think you hit the nail right on the head. It has long been my belief that there are no "bad" people, only bad decisions and bad acts. I think that is at least part of what the creator and writers intend to convey in this show.
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Like everybody else on this show Skylar is deeply flawed. Heck the most honorable man on the show was a hitman, The 2nd was a drug lord.

Yes, there is good and bad in everyone. As you say, we are all the same in that regard. There is no "us" and "them." It is all "us."

On a side note, of the many terrific things about this show, to me the best might be giving viewers one of the greatest, most memorable and compelling villains on television -- Gus. I remember from the very first moment he appeared onscreen in his restaurant to meet with Walter, you could tell beneath his smiling, almost too polite, standing ruler-straight exterior, with his almost servile demeanor, lurked one of the most badassed and depraved hearts we have seen. I'm sure that's what the writers intended to convey, and Giancarlo Esposito's portrayal of him embodied it better than anyone else could have. That role was perfect for him and he perfect for it. It was the role of a lifetime.
post #2384 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Will2007 View Post


On a side note, of the many terrific things about this show, to me the best might be giving viewers one of the greatest, most memorable and compelling villains on television -- Gus. I remember from the very first moment he appeared onscreen in his restaurant to meet with Walter, you could tell beneath his smiling, almost too polite, standing ruler-straight exterior, with his almost servile demeanor, lurked one of the most badassed and depraved hearts we have seen. I'm sure that's what the writers intended to convey, and Giancarlo Esposito's portrayal of him embodied it better than anyone else could have. That role was perfect for him and he perfect for it. It was the role of a lifetime.

Agreed. One of the best performances ever on tv, imo.
post #2385 of 4072
+ 1, Giancarlo was just terrific. His part was written for a specific actor and he played it brilliantly....
post #2386 of 4072
After his last two regular TV roles, I can see where he is looking at Gus like the role of a lifetime.
post #2387 of 4072
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Have you known many women .. ?? wink.gif

Too many - why, does it show? tongue.gif
post #2388 of 4072
Aaron Paul was on Conan last night and I have NEVER watched Conan, but last night I did. Got nothing from him about BB, its on total lock down.
post #2389 of 4072
Get your crayons out, bitch.

Breaking Bad Coloring Book:










http://www.buzzfeed.com/jenlewis/the-breaking-bad-coloring-book
post #2390 of 4072
Aaron spoke on Conan about how he recently came out of his new house to speak with people who use those star tours maps. Seems like a very cool dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6ovdlNqvog
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Just a reminder to check your DVR's. The season premier of Breaking Bad just showed up on mine, the episode name is "Low Winter Sun", Sunday, August 11, 10/9C.

For DirecTV subscribers, a second reminder to check all your Season Passes after the big channel lineup change tomorrow.
post #2393 of 4072
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

Just a reminder to check your DVR's. The season premier of Breaking Bad just showed up on mine, the episode name is "Low Winter Sun", Sunday, August 11, 10/9C.

For DirecTV subscribers, a second reminder to check all your Season Passes after the big channel lineup change tomorrow.
" Low Winter Sun " is the New series on AMC that comes on just after Breaking Bad
Here's the thread on " Low Winter Sun " http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478637/low-winter-sun-on-amc-in-hd/0_40#post_23517749
It's about corrupt Detroit cops , it is modeled after a British mini series of the same name

My DirecTV guide doesn't list a name of the season premier " Breaking Bad " episode yet , but does list the new series "Low Winter Sun " episode as a pilot smile.gif
post #2394 of 4072
TitanTV shows a title of "Blood Money" for the episode.
post #2395 of 4072
I just looked in the "To Do List" and although the season premiere BB episode is still there, there is no mention of the episode name. I'm guessing that somebody made a typo in the DirecTV listing, then backed it out.
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Does anyone know if Xfinitiy/Comcast is going to make the upcoming season's episodes available online or through its mobile App? I just checked and there are clips available but no past season's episodes.
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Bryan Cranston is directing the first new episode on Aug. 11th. Michelle Maclaren is directing 2 of the last 8, and Vince Gilligan wrote and directs the series finale. Should be great...
post #2399 of 4072
Got my gas mask on, ready to go.. Bryan making the rounds on the local shows. Today he was on Live! With Kelly and Michael.... Can't wait!!
post #2400 of 4072
Gilligan did an hour on Charlie Rose yesterday. He seemed very confident that most people would be very satisfied with the ending. I think he wants to make a movie.
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