Originally Posted by cwilson
Then there are no good people either? Someone who devotes his or her life to others, such as the Dalai Lama, is not a good person? Not a better person than Caligula or Vlad the Impaler was?
Surely you do not mean to suggest such a simple, binary system of placing all human beings into a "good" box or a "bad" box? Do you tally up all a person's good deeds and pure thoughts in the "good" column, then all the person's evil deeds and evil thoughts in the "bad" column and then do some cosmic accounting to determine into which box they go?
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. I don't view the world of human affairs in such a binary, black and white fashion. Sorry. I see millions of shades of gray. I'm gray, you're gray, we're all gray. Some of us are lighter than others, some of us are darker than others, but no one is black or white. That is to say we share a common humanity. I didn't realize that was so radical a notion.
Obviously this is as much a semantic issue as a logical one, and of course no one is all good or all bad, and of course good people do bad things and bad people do good things - but in the common use of the language of course there are bad people. You mentioned sociopaths. Those are people who are born without or never develop the capacity for empathy. And a subset of those sociopaths take pleasure in inflicting pain on others. Those individuals, simple logic tells us, are bad people. Bad bad people. Seems ridiculous to argue otherwise. Made me mad.
Ah, so you do too. I don't think we disagree. I think there was a misunderstanding due to miscommunication. It's a common problem, especially on the internet.
I understand your point of view, and if someone needs religion, Buddhism is about as enlightened as it gets (as long as we don't talk about reincarnation). So I apologize for my rudeness.
Apology accepted. I'm not sure you do understand my point of view, as you suggested I am religious or need religion. For what it's worth, I'm not religious. I am fascinated by philosophical questions, particularly those involving morality and ethics, and from where we derive them and how we apply them, individually and collectively in societies. This TV show happens to strike a chord in me and millions of others regarding some of those issues. I find it fascinating in that regard and in many others. I enjoy discussing it, with you and others.
To anyone annoyed with this tangent that I seem to have instigated somewhat unwittingly, I apologize for the derail. I apologize to you for making you mad, but I did not intend to do so.Edited by Will2007 - 9/5/13 at 3:06am