new to HT subs and got money to burn

Does that include shipping?

For $600 (assuming $100 or so to ship the thing), you can get the Epik Knight, the AV123 MFW-15, SVS SB-12 Plus, or the HSU VTF-2 Mk.3. In that room, most of those should hit well.

another idea if you have room might be 2 eD a2 300s for $700 shipped

that would have been my choice but I just didn't have a spot for 2

Thats it for $$$? Your title is misleading

Better spend it fast. Personally, I'd buy guns, ammo, camo paint, and bicycle parts.

This is the best post I've read on this forum in a long time.

And don't eat the berries.

Is this b/c the dollar isn't going to be worth anything soon b/c of the stock market collapsing?? Arming for Armageddon?

Here. Have a spoon.

Although, I guess you COULD live in a eD.

just went to 9700 Oh wait thats a lot of money GONE!!!

Lumpy mattress isn't so bad. Although I don't know if it will fit in your tent. But I'm sure it won't last long, anyway, as you'll probably have to burn it for warmth. The cash AND the mattress.

Nah, just a sweater for the winter, I love the south

But you don't have all the prairie dogs like we have here. I hear they're better than rats. Healthier, too. Of course, a gator will last a while. Just make sure you have a tough knife.

Don't forget the solar powered generator so you can watch your sweet home theater while Rome burns...

What was the thread about again? Oil is down below 90 but gas is still 3.50....greedy bastards....

burning money


and cow dung

I'd rather have lawyers, guns, and money

dow above 10K.....no need for guns, amo and camo pants!!

Yep, welcome to AVS. Tons of helpful people on here, but also tons of uh, not so helpful people.

I'd look at the subs that have been listed, check out their websites and get a feel for the particular subs/company, narrow it down, then check out the "official elemental designs" "official blah blah" threads on here and see what people are saying about them. I can say "I really like sub X" then you'll have a couple of guys talk about how that company sucks, how their system is so much better, and most likely even throw in some completely irrelevant comments as well.

The SB-12 Plus is a small sealed music oriented sub. Or, in some cases where the wife won't tolerate big boxes, is a size and appearance compromise.

The NEW SVS PB-12 Plus is a slightly smaller version of the top-of-the-line SVS PB-13 Ultra. It has a 12 inch, 4th generation driver, and 3 ports.

It can be used in (quasi) sealed mode as well as 15 Hz, and 20 Hz tune. In the native 20Hz tune, it should be a very good performer.

If you order before the new PB-12 Plus starts to ship in November you can get one for $999 instead of $1,199 (plus shipping).

This is going to be one very popular sub and saving $200 is a good deal.

Why are you ruling out the PB12? It's smaller than the Epik Knight and Epik Caliber, and is close to the same size as the VTF-3. Ironically, the SB12 Plus is by far the weakest sub of the bunch in terms of raw output. It's a small sealed design. The larger ported subs are much more efficient and require far less amplifier power to create comparable SPL's to the SB12 Plus. I'd only go with the SB12 Plus if you require a small sub. The Epiks are likely the most performance for your money, and they should be able to absolutely pressurize your small room. That said, the Hsu's and PB12 are no slouches themselves. Even the SB12 Plus should prove more than adequate if you don't plan on listening loud. But compared to the others, it is at a significant disadvantage, both in terms of output and deep extension.

And since we're asking, why are you not considering the Epik Valor? If the sealed SB12+ appeals to you, the sealed Valor should be a consideration amongst those, too, no?

Is this mainly for movies or music or both?

best....post....ever...

Just thought I'd throw this out there, but is DIY an option? For that price range, you could get Über serious bass.

...Not that the above recommended subs are lacking or anything.

It won't yield more power. That's what an amp does. Generally, they will yield more and deeper output with less power than is required to drive a sealed sub. Of course it is going to vary with the exact subwoofer being considered. The SB12+ will certainly outperform many crappy ported subwoofers. Buit the subs you are considering are not crappy.

As far as quality is concerned, this is arguable as well as a contentious subject around here. It depends upon what you mean by "quality". And, again, it depends upon the particular subwoofer being considered. A great sealed sub will sound better than a crappy ported one. And vice versa. Sometimes people are unhappy with the upper-end performance of their big ported subwoofer, particularly at lower volumes. And sometimes people are unhappy with the low end depth that their sealed sub is capable of producing. But a ported sub can be designed so that it performs well in the upper ranges. And a a sealed sub that digs deep can be built. But in order to achieve that, they will both, generally, cost more.

Personally, and again, very, very generally, I think sealed subs DO sound considerably different than ported subs. But as I said, this is an arguable as well as contentious subject around here. I am sure someone will take issue with what I am saying. But with ported vs. sealed you're not comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing apples to broccoli. There is really no way to create a situation where you are comparing comparable subwoofers as they are designed differently, operate differently, and, yes, sound different.



That sort of talk is blasphemy around here. There is no such thing as "too much power". That's why they have a volume knob. Once it is properly calibrated, the subwoofer's volume will be the same no matter its power. If you don't use all its power, it simply performs with more finesse than a subwoofer with less power that might be strained. Result? Better sound quality.


If I were in your shoes, I would get the SB12+. But that is just me. It is small and more suitable for a dorm room. You can't really get an appreciation for its small size relative to the ported subs you are considering unless you see a picture of them side by side. If you dig around, you may be able to find a pic like this this here (or elsewhere). It is a really small sub. It is also a very nice looking sub if you get a real wood or piano black finish.

Most of the ID manufacturers offer a 30 day trial period, and some may even have free return shipping. Buy the SB12+ and one of the ported subs and decide for yourself.

BTW, was the AV123 MFW15 on your list? If not, why?

If you are willing to spend the $935 it costs (right now), for an HSU VTF-3 MK3 plus Turbo delivered, and you can live with a fairly large box, you really ought to look at the SVS PB-12 Plus.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm

Order the new PB-12 Plus before they start shipping in November, and you save $200. Once they start shipping, they will go up to $1,199 plus shipping.

If the new PB 12 Plus is too big, the PB-12 NSD is smaller and $400 less expensive. It got a new driver just a few months ago and tested very well.

just a thought, HSU, Outlaw and now eD offer foam port plugs so you can have the best of both worlds