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Just curious as to why there has not been more discussion on the (possible November release of the) Sony VW-70. Gosh, I read through over 60 pages of conjecture, predictions, estimations, pontification , etc. until we finally got to Ekkehart's fine but relatively brief eval of the JVC 750 /RS20. Well that was all fun and let off some steam before the first eval. Again, I am just surprised at the relative silence re the Sony VW-70. I have no stake in any particular unit or company, but I am interested in a mid-to-upper level FP. It seems, based on the stats that have been shown by various folks including Ekkehart, and in consideration of Jason's review of the nice/moderately priced (little brother to the Sony VW-70 ) Sony VPL-HW10, and positive comments from those that viewed it at CEDIA last month, it would appear that the Sony VW-70 may be quite a close competitor (let me borrow from Joe Biden: "Let me say that again." It MAY be a close COMPETITOR for the JVC 750/20 (I'm not saying if it would be as good or a better choice). I just want a discussion to begin on this model, particularly from those that may have seen it at CEDIA. The AW10 had some very impressive stats that were close to what Jason found in the RS20, regarding CR, good color, sharpness, and low sound level.
Again, I'd just like to learn more about the VW-70 and its merits relative to JVC (or Samsung or the Planar DLP's for that matter). Thanks for any input.
post #2 of 37
The specs for something that supposed to sell for 8000.00 are not really exciting. The RS20 for 7500.00 seems to a better projector. Maybe if the Sony had a retail price of about 5000.00 then maybe more people would be interested.
post #3 of 37
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

The specs for something that supposed to sell for 8000.00 are not really exciting. The RS20 for 7500.00 seems to a better projector. Maybe if the Sony had a retail price of about 5000.00 then maybe more people would be interested.

Fair enough. It probably does NOT help Sony that they (to my understanding) have this new policy with all their authorized dealers to hold the msrp line at just that...great for retailers in their bid to compete against internet sales EXCEPT that Sony may not be able to compete (as you have noted) against companies willing to negotiate with the public (as they choose to do, related to the economy, supply and demand, etc.) I have heard that Sony only holds this policy on "certain lines of equipment" (I think it is more in effect on the more expensive lines).
Well, again, I think from the less expensive HW10 and the excellent way it has performed for the price, and the features offered, does this translate UP to the VW-70 ? I think the VW-70 may surprise some folks (positively) with color accuracy, decent C.R., quietness, etc. Are there folks out there that have viewed this unit, perhaps at CEDIA or another show, e.g. Sony's own show...what...this last spring or so???
post #4 of 37
You will be able to get the vpl vw70 online at places for a lot cheaper than brick and mortar stores.
post #5 of 37
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

You will be able to get the vpl vw70 online at places for a lot cheaper than brick and mortar stores.

Are you aware of the policy that I just outlined in the previous entry? If so, then are you saying that you KNOW that the VW-70 is not one of Sony's products on this "msrp hit list ?" Just asking.
post #6 of 37
If the VW70 was the replacement for the VW60 at the $4999 price point there would probably be a lot more talk about it on here. But priced at $7999 it's playing in big dog territory with the JVC's. The little brother HW10 is a pretty impressive projector at $3499, but it will have some competition when the feature loaded Panasonic AE-3000 & Epson 6500UB come out in the $3000 range. On paper the VW70 really isn't that big of a step up from the HW10 for $4500 more, also given most of the reports from CEDIA were lukewarm about the VW70. This may be Sony's first SXRD projector failure, Sony had been the trend setter for a number of years now with there bang for the buck projectors but the VW70 seams to go in another direction, IMO.
post #7 of 37
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Sony is claiming what...50,000:1 CR on the VW-70. If they get half of that @ d6500K and a reasonable brightness, then they are still looking at about 25,000:1, which is riiiight about where Ekkehart of Cine4Home had the JVC 750/20 in Low lamp D6500 (Max zoom) and iris at 0...w/ 530 lumens, he was showing 22K in fact. The Sony apparently will have 120hz and I expect that the color and sharpness to be as good or better than the HW30 (quite good as per Jason). So I am not dismissing the VW-70 from the very short list (if in fact Sony allows its authorized guys to sell this at about 15% off, or in the JVC750/20 price range.) Otherwise, yea...it is probably "toast." Makes me wonder how competitive their VW-200 ever was at a msrp of about $15,000.???
post #8 of 37
you will be able to find it online. give it some time. Crooks will get them through dist channels and poof there you have a vw 70 for 4800.00
post #9 of 37
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

Crooks will get them through dist channels and poof there you have a vw 70 for 4800.00

Ahhh... always my dealer of choice when shopping for projectors
post #10 of 37
The 200 is very competitive... It's all in the lens...
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post #11 of 37
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The 200 is very competitive... It's all in the lens...

joerod,

I think your colors are way off. Much too cool (blue socks where white should be) in most photos and skin tones too orange in others.
post #12 of 37
You have to remember I am using a camera. And have you seen Speed Racer yet? The picture is very colorful... Same for Mr. Magorium... I have posted these pics many times and I can honestly say you are the first to suggest the colors are way off.
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post #13 of 37
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

Sony is claiming what...50,000:1 CR on the VW-70. If they get half of that @ d6500K and a reasonable brightness, then they are still looking at about 25,000:1, which is riiiight about where Ekkehart of Cine4Home had the JVC 750/20 in Low lamp D6500 (Max zoom) and iris at 0...w/ 530 lumens, he was showing 22K in fact. The Sony apparently will have 120hz and I expect that the color and sharpness to be as good or better than the HW30 (quite good as per Jason). So I am not dismissing the VW-70 from the very short list (if in fact Sony allows its authorized guys to sell this at about 15% off, or in the JVC750/20 price range.) Otherwise, yea...it is probably "toast." Makes me wonder how competitive their VW-200 ever was at a msrp of about $15,000.???

Sony is claiming 60,000:1 on the VW70 but that's with the magic dynamic iris, not native like the JVC's. A member on here mentioned sony's SXRD engines have been running on 120Hz but repeats every 4 frames. The question is will the VW70 have frame interpolation? The european VW80 has it but none of the press releases for the VW70 list it, so at this point it look like, No.

Color and sharpness I expect to be about the same to the HW10 because they are using the same Bravia engine 2, colors my look a little better with the rated 60,000:1 contrast but again that's with a DI so will see. On paper the HW10 and VW 70 basically look the same except the VW70 has more contrast, but with a DI all they have to do is make it close down more then the HW10 to get a bigger rated number. The VW70 also has 12 volt triggers, anamorphic stretch, & motorized lens. If the lenses on the VW70 are the same as on the VW200 then I can see the price increase, but to me the VW70 is nothing more then a HW10 with a few upgrades not worth the $4500 price increase.
post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

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Again, I'd just like to learn more about the VW-70 and its merits relative to JVC (or Samsung or the Planar DLP's for that matter)...

One CEDIA reviewer was impressed with the VW70 but Sony has been very low key in promoting this projector. It may just not be ready for prime time.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate AV Mag View Post

...Back in the land of more reasonable prices, the best demo of a 1080p projector was a split decision. I was particularly impressed with the Samsung SP-A800B ($10,000) being demonstrated by Joe Kane on the new Da-Lite Affinity screen, which brought out more detail and contrast than even Joe thought the projector could do. Also impressive was projectiondesign's dual-lamp Optix ($26,000) and Sony's VPL-VW70 ($8000)...

http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/cedia2008/
post #15 of 37
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

The specs for something that supposed to sell for 8000.00 are not really exciting. The RS20 for 7500.00 seems to a better projector. Maybe if the Sony had a retail price of about 5000.00 then maybe more people would be interested.

Ditto, Sony once again ran everyone off by going UP on their MSRP...the trend in technology is "better, cheaper and faster"...there is no room for more expensive especially since Sony has no room to charge top dollar with their pjs (VW-50/60) being "bested" on most accounts by JVC the past 2 years (I know the VW-200 is probably better, for twice the money). Point is, Sony is a legend in their own minds only.

...this from a Sony SXRD owner.
post #16 of 37
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Color and sharpness I expect to be about the same to the HW10 because they are using the same Bravia engine 2, colors my look a little better with the rated 60,000:1 contrast but again that's with a DI so will see. On paper the HW10 and VW 70 basically look the same except the VW70 has more contrast, but with a DI all they have to do is make it close down more then the HW10 to get a bigger rated number. [/quote]

You may be exactly right on, but I find it interesting that on the Sony Style sight, they seem to contradict themselves on the Bravia engine...saying in one spot ""Bravia 2" and then another couple of places they have "Bravia Pro" (Pro is what is shown for the VW-200 as well (of course they use that nice Carl Zeiss lens on THAT ! )
post #17 of 37
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

The specs for something that supposed to sell for 8000.00 are not really exciting. The RS20 for 7500.00 seems to a better projector. Maybe if the Sony had a retail price of about 5000.00 then maybe more people would be interested.

Dito. When I found out the MSRP, and the fact that Sony has it on the MSRP only list, I lost all interest in it.

--Mark
post #18 of 37
I own the 60 and was very excited about the 70....until I read the specs and saw it at CEDIA. The MSRP didn't turn me away, it was the fact that there was no improvements over the 60 (my observation) with the exception of maybe a few marketing contrast measurements. Given all that, I still would have bought one if it had frame interpolation but we didn't even get that. I am predicting that this projector will be a failure in terms of overall sales but time will tell.
post #19 of 37
I too currently own the Sony Pearl and I'm looking to upgrade. My final two choices are the RS20 or the Epson 6500. The Epson for a lot less money has alot of nice features like 120hz ( which I LOVE for stuff like video games, animation, and docs like Planet Earth, but for movies I don't like the effect) Im done with Sony. I doesn't even seem like they are trying anymore. I think they are happy to just rely on their name and advertising rather then spending more money on R&D.
post #20 of 37
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

I too currently own the Sony Pearl and I'm looking to upgrade. My final two choices are the RS20 or the Epson 6500. The Epson for a lot less money has alot of nice features like 120hz ( which I LOVE for stuff like video games, animation, and docs like Planet Earth, but for movies I don't like the effect) Im done with Sony. I doesn't even seem like they are trying anymore. I think they are happy to just rely on their name and advertising rather then spending more money on R&D.

Maybe so for mid and high end but for "average consumer" Sony has a right product this year. HW10... VW60 performance for $2700 . That's better for less IMHO. Personally I'm done with Panasonic and their flashing bulbs.
post #21 of 37
I'm not up to date on the specs for the VW70, but are they quoting a figure for native contrast, or is the extra over the VW60 achieved by improving the iris?

If the later then I'm not surprised by the lack of interest at that price. I had a VW60 and an RS1 and at first the VW60 seemed like a match, until the raised black levels in certain scenes due to the iris started to drive me nuts.

In most other ways the Sony was better, but this is fundamental to me.
post #22 of 37
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Originally Posted by Steve Dodds View Post

If the later then I'm not surprised by the lack of interest at that price. I had a VW60 and an RS1 and at first the VW60 seemed like a match, until the raised black levels in certain scenes due to the iris started to drive me nuts.

In most other ways the Sony was better, but this is fundamental to me.

Steve, could you elaborate? i.e. what ("most other ways") did you like about the Sony in comparison with the JVC? I can guess that the Sony had better color and quietness, but ...for instance, how about sharpness comparison, etc.? Thanks for your insight.
I may well end up with the RS20/750, but I still want to examine the VW-70, especially if Sony relaxes their $$$.
post #23 of 37
I for one liked the VW60 better than the RS1 in every way (I am in the minority here), except for contrast. I said in an earlier post that my next projector would be a Sony with JVC contrast or a JVC with Sony colors. Well, you can guess what my next purchase will be.
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by chadly25 View Post

I for one liked the VW60 better than the RS1 in every way (I am in the minority here), except for contrast. I said in an earlier post that my next projector would be a Sony with JVC contrast or a JVC with Sony colors. Well, you can guess what my next purchase will be.

A Marantz VP-11S2 ?
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

A Marantz VP-11S2 ?

Marantz does make a very nice projector...but no.
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post #27 of 37
I think it is rather funny how the last sentence it mentions the 200...

Basically saying it has all the advanced features but also has a Carl Zeis lens and Xenon lamp...
post #28 of 37
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Yea, my Honda Accord is the same as the guy's Porsche nextdoor...except for the engine and the transmission, and oh, the suspension.
post #29 of 37
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

You will be able to get the vpl vw70 online at places for a lot cheaper than brick and mortar stores.

Probably not. It is part of their SURE policy A, and B, has a lower margin that many manufacturers.
post #30 of 37
Well I just got confirmation of the availability of the VW80 here in Australia. I'll will have on by the end of the week, providing I can get it calibrated in time. I am astounded by the low pricing, which is counter opposite to all the doom and gloom about the VW70 being such a price hike! It's unheard of for us to get a Sony projector model cheaper here than the US.
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