Originally Posted by HaroldTheBarrel
I see. So it takes a minimum of $1250 for a vinyl rig to even begin to approach the sound quality offered by an entry-level CD player. Chalk up another point for CD.
Your "fatigue" point suggests a serious flaw in your system. I can listen to CDs or MP3s for hours on end without the slightest trace of fatigue (while enjoying their flawless sound), and my system isn't even close to "high end".
The whole "vinyl sounds better" concept is a myth started by audiophiles decades ago (probably because they felt threatened by new technology), and has been perpetuated ever since.
Dont quote my comments out of context, go back and read what I wrote in full.
Take a CD player, and a vinyl rig of the same price, and I believe GOOD vinyl rigs start at the $1000-$1250 mark (new) for cart and table, and the vinyl rig will be less fatiguing and easier to listen to on the same album. The differences are are not profound, but subtle, and for me, really appear when you sit down to listen to a couple of albums back to back. Compare that same $1200TT to a entry level CD player, and it blows it away, and it damn well should. On the other hand, an entry level CD player, say a $150 Sony, will blow the doors off a $150 TT and cart. With analog, it takes a certain investment level to be able to meet, and indeed, pull ahead of CD sonically, so why not compare good models of both, because if you're reading these forums, you're not buying entry level gear.
Also, I did not say, ANYWHERE that CD doesnt, or cannot sound good, I particularly like some of the tube units I've heard, but when it comes down to it, the Vinyl rig sounds better to my ears, so thats what I buy. And before you go talking about outdated notions, or a reluctance to change, I wasn't even born when CD was introduced, it has been the dominant media all my life, and it is what I started in HiFi with. The only vinyl I ever heard growing up was scratched oldies on a friends father's cheapo TT. I never even thought twice about vinyl as a HiFi medium until one day I was 'turned on' at a HiFi store, when I heard my first clean vinyl played on proper, albeit pricey gear.
As far as CD fatigue being result of a severe flaw in my system, I listen to a McIntosh preamp and amp and JBL L100 T3 Monitor speakers. The speaker response is flat, and the Mac electronics are autoformer-smooth and slightly warm. Accurate but forgiving is how I would classify it. If a source cant sound good and be easy and relaxing to listen to on it, IMO, it is fundamentally flawed, not the other way around. BTW, I never realized I was being 'fatigued' by the CD's or music in general, until I got my first TT in my system, and found I quit wanting to skip songs and change albums.
MP3's which I never mentioned, are anoter ball of wax however. So long as you're not talking lossless, which MP3's arent, play it, and the same song on a good CD player or vinyl rig, and its going to be the same result every time, the medium opposite MP3 wins. FIne for mobile, but not in the same league as Redbook or analogue on a good stereo.
All that said, I suppose in the end, it all comes down to subjective tastes, and all that matters is that the end user enjoys what he or she is listening to. I doubt either one of us is going to convince the other that their ears, medium, or system is 'wrong'. It might be be prudent just to agree to disagree.