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post #121 of 175
In the immortal words of Charlie Brown. "Good grief".
post #122 of 175
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

But I thought this wouldn't matter since hdtv's can display either 59.94i or exactly 60i. Maybe a lot of them can only do 59.94?

They all do 59.940. The standard has always been 59.940. Only few support 60.000, I'd guess.
post #123 of 175
So I made a spelling error.

You know what I meant.
post #124 of 175
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Originally Posted by jvillain View Post

In the immortal words of Charlie Brown. "Good grief".

What? He's right.

The Platinum DVD seems to be cropped a tad compared to the BD.
post #125 of 175
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Xylon,

Can you post a Blu-ray picture from the scene where the prince is riding on his horse searching where the singing source (Sleeping Beauty) is coming from in the forest? This one scene is the most out of focus scene of any in the movie and a good example of what needs to be asked as to the technical reasons from "thoughs-who-may-know" as to why? Ongoing Original-Camera-Negative-captures?

This would be much appreciated as I don't have the blu-ray picture capture ability for the reference.

Thanks.

Paul

Yes that scene will go up
post #126 of 175
Regarding 59.94i vs 60i:

It's a CRT timing thing. To offset the second field vertically by 1/2 a scan-line, they moved the vertical refresh signal's timing so there's an extra 1/2 a scan-line at the bottom of the image. Therefore, an interlaced field is slower than a progressive frame by 1/2 the horizontal scan rate.
post #127 of 175
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post #129 of 175
The sence of light coming in is just amazing.
post #130 of 175
Btw the compression galore that is the DVD does not does those screenshot justice. Might not look bad in Screenshot, but look awful in motion compared to the Bluray..
post #131 of 175
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Originally Posted by ryoohki View Post

Btw the compression galore that is the DVD does not does those screenshot justice. Might not look bad in Screenshot, but look awful in motion compared to the Bluray..

Unwatchable mess.
post #132 of 175
Looks like there's "forcefields" on that last shot on the dvd editions.
post #133 of 175
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Xylon,

Can you post a Blu-ray picture from the scene where the prince is riding on his horse searching where the singing source (Sleeping Beauty) is coming from in the forest? This one scene is the most out of focus scene of any in the movie and a good example of what needs to be asked as to the technical reasons from "thoughs-who-may-know" as to why? Ongoing Original-Camera-Negative-captures?

This would be much appreciated as I don't have the blu-ray picture capture ability for the reference.

Thanks.

Paul



post #134 of 175
The prince looks soft but the rock face below is sharp as a tack which leads me to believe that if it was more likely an artistic choice than a technical issue.
post #135 of 175
Artistic or the cell wasn't in focus for some reason.
post #136 of 175
I finally watched my copy last night - absolutely stunning, it's like watching the actual cells. Can't wait for more of these classics.
post #137 of 175
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Artistic or the cell wasn't in focus for some reason.

If the cell wasn't in focus the rock wall wouldn't be in focus unless the cell was warped or damaged in some other way.
post #138 of 175
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I don't see anything "wrong" with the scene. Its just probably "by design". Artists trying to simulate perspective.
post #139 of 175
Not to disagree with you Xylon, but if you watch the pip track, they talk about how the artist wanted everything to be in focus like on old tapestries. This was notable because Disney had spent so much money on developing a process to simulate depth of field/focus. You could be right, but I figured I'd throw that out there.
post #140 of 175
I think it's a warped or damaged cell. The focus is all over the place in the frame. Or they were going for a hazy look with that shot.
post #141 of 175
The bottom half of the frame is clear and clean, and gradually goes out of focus towards the top. It is not artistic, and happens in many shots in that consistence gradient. It was either poor film scanning, or filming. For how much time and money they spent restoring it, and how amazing it looks when it's flawless, it's disappointing unless it really was out of their hands in terms of what they had archived.

Also in trying to get rid of every piece of grain they really destroyed some of the detail of the cels. I watched the Pixar Story and seeing some classic 2-D animation from Disney in HD was amazing. Incredibly clear and vibrant even with all the grain, scratches, dirt, hair, cel warping. Here's a shot courtesy of lyris.

Can't wait for more 2D goodness, and I hope all their films get this treatment.
post #142 of 175
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Originally Posted by ABBN View Post


Also in trying to get rid of every piece of grain they really destroyed some of the detail of the cels. I watched the Pixar Story and seeing some classic 2-D animation from Disney in HD was amazing. Incredibly clear and vibrant even with all the grain, scratches, dirt, hair, cel warping. Here's a shot courtesy of lyris.

Can't wait for more 2D goodness, and I hope all their films get this treatment.

Which title? I don't have the Pixar Story copy.
post #143 of 175
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

Which title? I don't have the Pixar Story copy.

It's on disc 2 of both Blu-ray collections. Go under Humans and scroll down until you see the documentary The Pixar Story. We get sneak peeks of Star Wars, Tron, and lots of others Disney animated pieces in HD.

If you're asking what animation they show, quite a few clips. My memory is hazy, but I believe Fox and the Hound, Brave Little Toaster, misc of classic Donald/Mickey/Goofy shorts from the 40s, among others.
post #144 of 175
It's on the 2n disc of Wall-e. I highly recommend watching it as well, for the live action films in high def as well as the 2d.
post #145 of 175
I finally got around to watching this a couple of nights ago.

Absolutely fantastic! The glow coming of the screen was hypnotic. Just gorgeous.
post #146 of 175
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Originally Posted by ABBN View Post

It's on disc 2 of both Blu-ray collections. Go under Humans and scroll down until you see the documentary The Pixar Story. We get sneak peeks of Star Wars, Tron, and lots of others Disney animated pieces in HD.

If you're asking what animation they show, quite a few clips. My memory is hazy, but I believe Fox and the Hound, Brave Little Toaster, misc of classic Donald/Mickey/Goofy shorts from the 40s, among others.

I see what you are talking about. Film grain is visible? on those trailers. I will take a closer look later.

For the record I am well aware of the DNR applied to this animation release. I don't see any scene from this restoration work that I will conclude as "off". Can someone enlighten us? I also got a e-mail from someone that the colors for this Blu-ray is "off" too.
post #147 of 175
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

I also got a e-mail from someone that the colors for this Blu-ray is "off" too.

I would imagine people are basing that off the older DVD and VHS releases, which they shouldn't. The older releases were based of film stock 3+ generations away from the original master. The new BD and DVD are based on the original negatives (1 for each color) and are what was meant to be seen. It should be pretty obvious since in quite a few of the scenes in the old DVD and VHS releases Aurora's hair is more greenish, and now its back to being this beautiful golden blond.
post #148 of 175
Even the DTS HD MA remaster is engaging, the music is awesome at the end
post #149 of 175
Time to put this in my Pioneer for another watching.
post #150 of 175
My father in law is getting this BD for my Daughter for Christmas. I think I'm more excited than she would be!!
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