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She finally has eyes and individual fingers. They're just fuzzy globs on the dvd. Yeah, try upconverting those details back.
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Me and my wife watched this last night on Blu-Ray and it was very impressive for it's age. Disney really did an amazing job. Both of us commented several times on how bright and sharp the colors were and how much detail you could see. Can't wait for more Disney classics on Blu-Ray.
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

A guy over at HTF has posted examples of color timing problems and it's not pretty. So this release isn't perfect. I know the guy making those posts and he is no clown. He is not recoloring or altering the color of the captures.

Can you please provide an address to the post your referring to? A search doesn't bring up the post.


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Originally Posted by Sara Duran-Singer View Post

going to the Animation Research Library to look at original backgrounds and cels. It’s interesting, when you look at the original artwork, you find out that the colors look quite different than what you remember when looking at the screen.

When you film something, you put the artwork under strong lights and the colors change on film, so we did a number of tests. If you look at the original artwork, you find Aurora’s hair has a strong green-tone, but when you put strong lights on the artwork reflecting back into the camera, her hair actually looks quite golden blonde. The Disney artists also conducted tests to get the proper color results on the final film and we needed to do the same tests to discover the final results of the actual color on screen. We then knew these were the colors we should be aiming for in the final restoration.

The ink lines remain the same because we won’t alter what was originally drawn or inked. There’s no alteration as far as the lines. But when you paint a cel, sometimes you see paint crawl - where you see streaks of paint, rather than a smooth, even surface - we did actually reduce some of these crawls to achieve the original artistic intent that was aimed for in the 1950s, for even color shades.

Link: Sleeping Beauty’s Restoration

Paul
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post



WOW! It looks like we are looking at an animation cell! Just amazing I have never seen animation look so clear! Definitely a blind buy! It's weird how you can see that some people in the background didn't get their faces drawn in!
post #67 of 175
I have the Platium edition, now I have to get this in HD crap!

DJ
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I have this on laserdisc and the earlier Platinum Edition. After looking at the screen caps, I guess its time to grab this yet again. It was the first Disney animated film I remember seeing as a kid in the theatres.
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Has anybody found out why some scenes are out of focus? I wonder if some scenes had to be taken from different sources?
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

Has anybody found out why some scenes are out of focus? I wonder if some scenes had to be taken from different sources?

My guess is that it's in the source considering how awesome this looks. This movie is 55 years old!
post #71 of 175
We were finally able to watch this tonight. This Blu-ray is amazing - not much else to say. The PQ and AQ are superb!
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Here's a write-up on the web conference that described the restoration of Sleeping Beauty:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1906

An impressive technical achievement, and one I certainly hope will be duplicated or surpassed in upcoming animation releases from Disney.

Lee
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

I have the Platium edition, now I have to get this in HD crap!

DJ

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Originally Posted by ragar01 View Post

I have this on laserdisc and the earlier Platinum Edition. After looking at the screen caps, I guess its time to grab this yet again. It was the first Disney animated film I remember seeing as a kid in the theatres.

The Blu-Ray IS The Platinum Edition. Both DVD and Blu-Ray came out on the same day. I think you both mean you have the Special Edition which came out on DVD 5 years ago, and was not part of the "Platinum" series.
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The Blu-Ray IS The Platinum Edition. Both DVD and Blu-Ray came out on the same day. I think you both mean you have the Special Edition which came out on DVD 5 years ago, and was not part of the "Platinum" series.

Do all versions of the BluRay include the DVD as well? I have no use for it, so would prefer one without, if it saves a couple of bucks.
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The Blu-Ray IS The Platinum Edition. Both DVD and Blu-Ray came out on the same day. I think you both mean you have the Special Edition which came out on DVD 5 years ago, and was not part of the "Platinum" series.


Right you are. In any event I just watched the blu ray and the supplement disc today. What an absolute stunning looking and sounding package on my less than state of the art set-up. Proof again that more often than not Disney generally delivers the best HD product.
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The Blu-Ray IS The Platinum Edition. Both DVD and Blu-Ray came out on the same day. I think you both mean you have the Special Edition which came out on DVD 5 years ago, and was not part of the "Platinum" series.

Yeah that's correct.... I should get a thousand slashes with a wet noddle

Djoel
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Thanks for the caps Xylon! Excellent work, as always!
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

A guy over at HTF has posted examples of color timing problems and it's not pretty. So this release isn't perfect. I know the guy making those posts and he is no clown. He is not recoloring or altering the color of the captures.

Can't find it. BTW whats his reference source?
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

Has anybody found out why some scenes are out of focus? I wonder if some scenes had to be taken from different sources?

Out of focus shots (compared to the rest of the movie) now only noticeable with the HD format.

Remember the style and look of the movie is that every frame is in focus. This is the intent. We now can see they are almost successful doing it

The commentary tracks are very informative. I highly recommend listening to it
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Do all versions of the BluRay include the DVD as well? I have no use for it, so would prefer one without, if it saves a couple of bucks.

All Blu-ray copies has the DVD. Fry's electronics has this title for $22.99. Low enough to be a blind buy.
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When I was watching the previews on a couple of the Disney disks I was really worried about color shift. Having seen this thread now that has all gone away. Great looking disk. It wasn't one I was actually planning on picking up but it looks like Xylon has made another sale. He should be getting a piece of the action from the studios.
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Definitely an incredible disc. I was on the fence whether I would be getting the whole vault or not, but I don't imagine I'll be able to resist. It will be an eternity to wait for Beauty and the Beast, much less Lion King.
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

My guess is that it's in the source considering how awesome this looks. This movie is 55 years old!

50 years, but that's still pretty darn old! ^_^
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Originally Posted by Xylon View Post

Special Edition DVD 2003

Platinum Edition DVD 2008

Blu-ray File size: 17.00 GB

Bitrate: 24.06 mbps


Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
Sleeping Beauty                                                 AVC     1:15:10 18,360,612,864  37,705,310,447  32.57   24.06   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4459Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 4.0 640Kbps


DISC INFO:

Disc Size:      37,705,310,447 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:           00049.mpls
Size:           18,360,612,864 bytes
Length:         1:15:10 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:  32.57 Mbps
Description:    

FILES:

Name            Size            Length          Time In         Time Out        
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00048.M2TS      18,360,612,864  1:15:10.088     0:00:00.000     1:15:10.088     

VIDEO:

Codec               Bitrate         Description     
-----               -------         -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video    24059 kbps      1080p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video    1094 kbps       480p / 23.976fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4459 kbps       5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 4459kbps (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 1536kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         640 kbps        4.0 / 48kHz / 640kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48kHz / 192kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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Presentation Graphics           English         32 kbps                         
Presentation Graphics           English         6 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           English         225 kbps                        
Presentation Graphics           English         2 kbps                          
Presentation Graphics           English         83 kbps                         

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Number          Time            Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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1               0:00:00.000     0:01:47.316     19,094 kbps     35,027 kbps     00:01:35.679    22,873 kbps     00:00:14.848    22,423 kbps     00:00:14.848    99,548 bytes    760,627 bytes   00:00:18.060    
2               0:01:47.316     0:01:10.528     27,885 kbps     35,284 kbps     00:01:48.483    29,749 kbps     00:01:53.780    29,355 kbps     00:02:42.954    145,380 bytes   645,664 bytes   00:01:49.359    
3               0:02:57.844     0:01:57.618     27,341 kbps     34,101 kbps     00:04:12.002    29,753 kbps     00:03:21.618    29,520 kbps     00:03:41.805    142,543 bytes   663,326 bytes   00:04:21.970    
4               0:04:55.462     0:00:55.597     24,703 kbps     30,550 kbps     00:05:29.788    29,531 kbps     00:05:12.604    29,378 kbps     00:05:06.056    128,792 bytes   660,623 bytes   00:04:59.508    
5               0:05:51.059     0:01:46.732     22,073 kbps     31,646 kbps     00:07:21.274    29,269 kbps     00:07:29.032    26,229 kbps     00:07:27.822    115,081 bytes   491,833 bytes   00:07:33.995    
6               0:07:37.791     0:02:17.137     22,300 kbps     32,643 kbps     00:09:13.303    29,785 kbps     00:09:23.897    29,224 kbps     00:09:19.392    116,261 bytes   733,217 bytes   00:09:13.595    
7               0:09:54.928     0:01:49.150     24,271 kbps     32,635 kbps     00:09:59.265    29,718 kbps     00:11:07.417    29,293 kbps     00:10:31.714    126,540 bytes   510,051 bytes   00:11:12.422    
8               0:11:44.078     0:03:59.239     25,220 kbps     37,895 kbps     00:15:24.924    30,430 kbps     00:15:20.962    29,908 kbps     00:15:15.915    131,487 bytes   727,613 bytes   00:15:27.552    
9               0:15:43.317     0:02:03.999     24,854 kbps     34,956 kbps     00:15:48.823    30,042 kbps     00:15:56.455    29,093 kbps     00:16:59.727    129,575 bytes   668,073 bytes   00:17:18.579    
10              0:17:47.316     0:04:53.210     23,285 kbps     33,040 kbps     00:18:03.582    29,930 kbps     00:19:23.871    29,415 kbps     00:17:57.952    121,395 bytes   669,925 bytes   00:18:11.507    
11              0:22:40.526     0:01:34.928     24,522 kbps     33,638 kbps     00:23:25.279    29,777 kbps     00:23:02.423    29,549 kbps     00:23:02.715    127,848 bytes   733,591 bytes   00:22:47.825    
12              0:24:15.454     0:01:19.329     24,666 kbps     35,732 kbps     00:25:14.012    30,225 kbps     00:25:10.092    29,407 kbps     00:25:08.841    128,598 bytes   689,862 bytes   00:25:22.646    
13              0:25:34.783     0:04:07.497     23,712 kbps     35,971 kbps     00:28:27.748    30,425 kbps     00:27:43.954    29,480 kbps     00:25:51.884    123,626 bytes   759,895 bytes   00:28:29.458    
14              0:29:42.280     0:03:22.077     23,199 kbps     35,860 kbps     00:32:22.399    30,541 kbps     00:32:18.395    29,521 kbps     00:32:14.057    120,951 bytes   786,371 bytes   00:32:58.560    
15              0:33:04.357     0:02:57.594     24,446 kbps     35,310 kbps     00:34:04.960    30,159 kbps     00:35:17.407    29,464 kbps     00:34:45.250    127,452 bytes   552,907 bytes   00:34:06.544    
16              0:36:01.951     0:04:19.927     23,309 kbps     33,506 kbps     00:36:55.755    30,160 kbps     00:40:09.532    29,352 kbps     00:36:47.747    121,524 bytes   804,833 bytes   00:36:57.757    
17              0:40:21.878     0:04:00.281     24,518 kbps     34,365 kbps     00:42:07.358    30,084 kbps     00:43:26.187    29,359 kbps     00:43:01.829    127,826 bytes   685,622 bytes   00:40:30.511    
18              0:44:22.159     0:02:17.847     24,724 kbps     34,045 kbps     00:46:02.510    29,680 kbps     00:44:40.344    29,384 kbps     00:44:35.298    128,900 bytes   803,175 bytes   00:46:03.469    
19              0:46:40.006     0:01:46.564     24,884 kbps     34,942 kbps     00:47:52.578    29,650 kbps     00:46:44.927    29,163 kbps     00:46:52.935    129,732 bytes   689,093 bytes   00:48:07.384    
20              0:48:26.570     0:03:42.556     24,780 kbps     33,430 kbps     00:51:44.184    30,191 kbps     00:51:40.222    29,352 kbps     00:51:35.217    129,191 bytes   668,984 bytes   00:48:50.010    
21              0:52:09.126     0:01:34.136     22,521 kbps     31,447 kbps     00:52:26.935    29,736 kbps     00:52:36.945    29,203 kbps     00:52:31.940    117,416 bytes   611,966 bytes   00:52:43.410    
22              0:53:43.262     0:02:50.462     25,955 kbps     32,853 kbps     00:55:21.151    29,869 kbps     00:54:10.330    29,487 kbps     00:54:18.755    135,319 bytes   571,661 bytes   00:54:16.003    
23              0:56:33.724     0:02:17.470     23,609 kbps     40,161 kbps     00:58:48.608    29,754 kbps     00:57:20.312    29,020 kbps     00:56:34.182    123,088 bytes   603,409 bytes   00:56:46.069    
24              0:58:51.194     0:03:19.783     24,735 kbps     33,045 kbps     01:00:51.398    30,054 kbps     01:00:47.352    29,423 kbps     01:00:57.696    128,957 bytes   740,012 bytes   01:01:16.673    
25              1:02:10.977     0:03:14.069     21,607 kbps     32,811 kbps     01:04:37.082    29,265 kbps     01:04:33.078    27,089 kbps     01:04:50.720    112,649 bytes   725,916 bytes   01:04:44.089    
26              1:05:25.046     0:02:19.765     25,691 kbps     35,618 kbps     01:06:23.021    29,688 kbps     01:06:57.639    28,732 kbps     01:06:55.970    133,941 bytes   697,089 bytes   01:06:46.920    
27              1:07:44.811     0:01:05.065     25,896 kbps     33,263 kbps     01:08:27.353    29,595 kbps     01:08:23.433    29,061 kbps     01:08:22.432    135,011 bytes   550,541 bytes   01:08:48.249    
28              1:08:49.876     0:01:55.615     26,282 kbps     34,896 kbps     01:08:53.296    30,141 kbps     01:09:50.103    29,618 kbps     01:09:45.098    137,023 bytes   629,399 bytes   01:10:37.942    
29              1:10:45.491     0:01:39.058     21,494 kbps     31,224 kbps     01:11:57.188    29,626 kbps     01:11:53.226    27,609 kbps     01:10:45.825    112,059 bytes   626,550 bytes   01:11:08.222    
30              1:12:24.549     0:02:45.540     23,079 kbps     32,707 kbps     01:14:41.852    29,735 kbps     01:12:44.527    29,350 kbps     01:12:39.730    120,322 bytes   629,846 bytes   01:12:29.762    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Seconds         Bytes           Packets         Bitrate         
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00048.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            4510.09         13,563,388,671  73,777,739      24,059          
00048.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            4510.09         2,513,905,700   14,365,360      4,459           
00048.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            4510.09         17,858,803      103,750         32              
00048.M2TS      6912 (0x1B00)   0x1B            4510.09         616,868,340     3,410,897       1,094           
00048.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            4510.09         360,808,960     2,114,115       640             
00048.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            4510.09         3,610,475       21,812          6               
00048.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            4510.09         126,701,708     706,654         225             
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00048.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            4510.09         46,543,930      263,941         83

Xylon, why does it show the movie as going at 23.976 fps? I thought all blu-rays could retain the original 24 fps since they don't need to worry about compatibility with the analog NTSC standard.
post #87 of 175
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

Xylon, why does it show the movie as going at 23.976 fps? I thought all blu-rays could retain the original 24 fps since they don't need to worry about compatibility with the analog NTSC standard.


23.976 is 24fps, just as 29.97 is 30 fps.
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Originally Posted by rexdigital View Post

23.976 is 24fps, just as 29.97 is 30 fps.

Why doesn't it just say 24 then?
post #89 of 175
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Originally Posted by Hector.B View Post

WOW! It looks like we are looking at an animation cell! Just amazing I have never seen animation look so clear! Definitely a blind buy! It's weird how you can see that some people in the background didn't get their faces drawn in!

Now what would you say if I hinted that I know of a different version of this pic that reveals that there actually is a face (or the makings for "something" there) where they look faceless and the texture of the scene looks more like a painting on fine canvas?
post #90 of 175
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

Why doesn't it just say 24 then?

Because it isn't. Despite the fact that it's commonly called 24p, most HD/Blu-ray encodes still use the NTSC-derived frame rate of 23.976. Some discs are exactly 24.000 fps though.
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