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post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Agreed.

With that being said, I have left a static image on my sets for 8hrs at times (fell asleep during a movie), only to wake up and switch to cable, and see the IR disappear. Funny thing is, this was only one time, on a panel with roughly 180 hrs on it.

The set did have ~180hrs on it.....it makes a difference. I think...
post #32 of 62
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Originally Posted by RYAXIN View Post

The set did have ~180hrs on it.....it makes a difference. I think...

8hrs is quite a bit of time nonetheless. My point was, that another set with a substantial amount of time on it, suffers none at all.
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

Agreed.

With that being said, I have left a static image on my sets for 8hrs at times (fell asleep during a movie), only to wake up and switch to cable, and see the IR disappear. Funny thing is, this was only one time, on a panel with roughly 180 hrs on it. My other plasma has never shown a hint of IR, which has well over 3000hrs on it.

good point...
post #34 of 62
Thread Starter 
How come when i open the menu for just a few seconds to turn on the image cleaner i see the menu saty on the image cleaner screen for about 5 seconds then it fades away slooowwwlyy. Does that mean it doesnt have enough hours on it or needs to be brokin in or what?
post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by Bradrj1029 View Post

How come when i open the menu for just a few seconds to turn on the image cleaner i see the menu saty on the image cleaner screen for about 5 seconds then it fades away slooowwwlyy. Does that mean it doesnt have enough hours on it or needs to be brokin in or what?

It probably just means that particular unit has that tendency.

I had a Samsung that left residual images from menus and such all the time. The Panasonic and Pioneer models that I have used never did that.
post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by fatbottom View Post

Someone has reported screenburn on a Pioneer for 10 hour gaming sessions, with orbiter off. So the myth that new plasmas are impossible get screenburn isn't true. However if you use dynamic and play games for hours like that it's bound to happen. Orbiter won't stop a fixed area being burnt in either.

Noone said its impossible.
We are just saying it is not an issue unless you abuse the set.

I work 3rd shift which makes my sleeping hours very strange and crazy.

I have had 4 plasmas. (Phillips 50PFP5332D/37, 5080, 6020, 151)
I am constantly watching 4:3 content for hours on end. No uneven wear.

I watch tons of widescreen movies with black bars. No uneven wear.

I am a flat out COD4 junkie and play for 6-8 hours straight all the time. I still have not seen the first hint of IR (much less burn-in) on any of my Kuros from gaming. I saw IR on my phillips once from gaming for a very long time and it went away after watching 15-30 minutes of a movie.

I have fallen asleep on my recliner many times and woke up to the DVD/bluray menu sitting on the screen for hours at a time (I know this is stupid of me, but I work some crazy hours sometimes).
I still have not seen a hint of IR on any of the Kuros.
The phillips walmart plasma I had showed IR from this a few times but it went away after 15-30 minutes of watching a movie

The key thing for me has been that I broke in the every set properly.
I ran the break-in Disk when I wasn't watching the TV for the first 2 weeks.
With the Kuro's I played COD4 and watched 4:3/widescreen movies without worry, even during break-in. But I made absolute sure that the orbitor was turned on and left on at all times. The orbitor is crucial with burn-in prevention.

There are three things to do to keep yourself from having to worry about burn-in on a Kuro:
1. Break-in the set (with full-screen content or better yet the break-in disk/images) for at least 150-200hrs
2. Leave the orbitor on at all times. If you have a 9G Kuro just leave orbitor on mode 2 and forget about it.
3. Don't leave static images on your screen for Days at a time. This should be pretty easy to avoid.

thats about it.

This is what has worked for me. It might not work for everyone (who knows).
But I have not met a person yet that did those things and got burn-in on a Kuro.
post #37 of 62
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Burn in doesn't affect me as I stretch 4:3 content and am not a gamer. But it is an issue which is why there is a master burn-in thread, manufacturer's warnings in the user manual and numerous complaints on this forum. A smart guy like you should be able to figure that out.

A smart guy like me, never claimed it couldn't happen. Only that under normal use and with some understanding of the issues involved, that there is little to no concern regarding Burn in with todays plasmas. In fact for the life of CRT displays, there was as much chance of burn in with the standard TV's as there is with todays plasmas.
post #38 of 62
Thread Starter 
hey chad what system do you play cod4 on? If its xbox 360 what is your gamertag, ill add you? If its ps3 what is your PSN, ill add you. lol I play cod4 on both systems
post #39 of 62
I have a new Samsung pn50a450, and at about 80 hours, fell asleep playing a dvd. Standard mode, brightness 45, contrast 55. Pixel orbiter always on. (Why would one not leave it on? Is the pq, theoretically not as good with p/o on?)

About 3.5 hours later, awoke with the dvd menu on, and an apparently bad case of bi/ir. Ran scrolling bar for about 3 hours, then white screen at high brightness and contrast for about 5 hours. I've also noticed ir at other times, but it goes away rather quickly.

The image did mostly fade, but still, very slight "blurs" from the ir. I'm pretty confident it will eventually be gone, but with this experience and others reported in the forum, I'm beginning to come to some conclusions about some plasma panels.

I lived with a brand new Panny 42px80u for it's first 200 hours or so, custom mode settings, nothing too high. Never left a static image on for really more than 5 min or so. Can only recall noticing a very slight trace of ir one time which very quickly went away.

So, to me, the Samsung panels are much more susceptable to bi/ir than the Pannys. It also takes the ir longer to fade in the Sammys. Not that I'm the first to propose this.

Do the Vizios use Samsung panels?
post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by dwighttsharpe View Post

I have a new Samsung pn50a450, and at about 80 hours, fell asleep playing a dvd. Standard mode, brightness 45, contrast 55. Pixel orbiter always on. (Why would one not leave it on? Is the pq, theoretically not as good with p/o on?)

About 3.5 hours later, awoke with the dvd menu on, and an apparently bad case of bi/ir. Ran scrolling bar for about 3 hours, then white screen at high brightness and contrast for about 5 hours. I've also noticed ir at other times, but it goes away rather quickly.

The image did mostly fade, but still, very slight "blurs" from the ir. I'm pretty confident it will eventually be gone, but with this experience and others reported in the forum, I'm beginning to come to some conclusions about some plasma panels.

I lived with a brand new Panny 42px80u for it's first 200 hours or so, custom mode settings, nothing too high. Never left a static image on for really more than 5 min or so. Can only recall noticing a very slight trace of ir one time which very quickly went away.

So, to me, the Samsung panels are much more susceptable to bi/ir than the Pannys. It also takes the ir longer to fade in the Sammys. Not that I'm the first to propose this.

Do the Vizios use Samsung panels?

Funny, I've read the exact same opposite, that the Panny's are more susceptable to ir/bi vs the Sammy's. I think it generally depends on the user and what settings are used, I also think it depends on the model of each plasma.
post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by Bradrj1029 View Post

hey chad what system do you play cod4 on? If its xbox 360 what is your gamertag, ill add you? If its ps3 what is your PSN, ill add you. lol I play cod4 on both systems


ps3 and my name is chadmak09.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by RYAXIN View Post

Funny, I've read the exact same opposite, that the Panny's are more susceptable to ir/bi vs the Sammy's. I think it generally depends on the user and what settings are used, I also think it depends on the model of each plasma.

Yeah, there's always gonna be hear say from both sides, naturally. But I have been reading quite a lot, and really didn't make a final judgement until I actually had decent personal exposure to both sets.

I've had the Sammy for 8 days now. I lived with the Panny for it's first five weeks, personally watching probably about 120-150 of it's first 200 hours. The 1 flash of ir faded so quickly that my mind was at ease about it being a problem.

It really did lead me to "prematurely confirm" in my mind that "ir is not an issue(with the proper precautions) in modern plasmas". That's why I bought the Sammy, and now I'm not so sure.

ps: Using standard mode and 45 brightness, 55 contrast on the Sammy. On the Panny I used Custom mode and really didn't play with the settings values too much(not my set), so it's brightness contrast settings were surely higher.
post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by Bradrj1029 View Post

Well is there any way i can fix burn in that hasnt went away with the image cleaner function while running it for 8 hours. Its not very bright but its just that i bought this tv as a display and it seems to have burn in from one of the dvd menus that stayed on the screen for who knows how long. YOu cant see the burn in at all when you are watching regular tv unless a white screen comes up then you can sorta see it. What can i do to try and remove it? It there a video i can download and load onto my ps3 and run in a loop overnight or something. I dont wanna have to burn a cd or dvd or hook my tv up to my pc because i dont have the right connections. So what could i do that is free? Thanks

btw its the vizio vp422

Pioneer seems to think burn in IS reversable. Anyway this is a long read but well worth it I feel.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...0-%20FINAL.pdf
post #44 of 62
I used to have an older Zenith plasma that featured an "INVERSE" screen as one of the anti burn in settings. If you burnt your screen on a menu, you could maybe even it out by leaving the inverter on that menu just as long. Seemed like a good idea but that would burn the WHOLE screen instead of just certain parts
post #45 of 62
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Originally Posted by Bradrj1029 View Post

Well is there any way i can fix burn in that hasnt went away with the image cleaner function while running it for 8 hours. Its not very bright but its just that i bought this tv as a display and it seems to have burn in from one of the dvd menus that stayed on the screen for who knows how long. YOu cant see the burn in at all when you are watching regular tv unless a white screen comes up then you can sorta see it. What can i do to try and remove it? It there a video i can download and load onto my ps3 and run in a loop overnight or something. I dont wanna have to burn a cd or dvd or hook my tv up to my pc because i dont have the right connections. So what could i do that is free? Thanks

btw its the vizio vp422

For the time being watch only full screen content, no gaming or black bars.

If the image retention is temporary (not burned in) it will go away.
post #46 of 62
I too suffer from this problem of "image retention" or whatever it should/would/can be called. I do not abuse my TV viewing, but now notice after about 21 months of...I'd say 70% HD viewing, that I have the 4:3 type of "image retention"

See picture below:



If you, or anyone else has a better way of reduceing/eliminating this, please DO chime in with your success, or solution(s)

Thanks!
post #47 of 62
Set it to full screen mode, and continue watching 4:3 stretched. It may take another 1-2 years watching like this, or it may not go, ever. My new 5090 about 1 month old had minor 4:3 when I vieweed a black screen in a totally black room, I think it's either disappeared or nearly disappeared.

Seems to me plasma is not that bullet-proof, and still needs to be treated with kid gloves. In my view that makes console gaming and 4:3 and 2:35 only watching high risk.
post #48 of 62
As chadmak had quoted in a previous post, JScreenFix can minimise the effects of burn in.


http://www.jscreenfix.com/basic.php


Good Luck!
post #49 of 62
I went to that site, and downloaded the "JScreenfixDVDNTSC" and it said that I can burn it, but I've yet to figure out how to do that...It is a IMG file. Does anyone know how to burn that file to a DVD disk?

I'm sure hoping that it doesn't take a year or two. It's really only noticeable in lighter screen colors...White, Beige, Sky Blue and so forth. It's not as bad as that picture is however...thankfully.

Thanks for your help though fellows!
post #50 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Hornet View Post

I went to that site, and downloaded the "JScreenfixDVDNTSC" and it said that I can burn it, but I've yet to figure out how to do that...It is a IMG file. Does anyone know how to burn that file to a DVD disk?

I'm sure hoping that it doesn't take a year or two. It's really only noticeable in lighter screen colors...White, Beige, Sky Blue and so forth. It's not as bad as that picture is however...thankfully.

Thanks for your help though fellows!

Using Nero or convertxtodvd, you need to BURN the IMAGE onto the DVD, do not make the mistake to COPY the image, it will not work.
post #51 of 62
Ok...Thanks for the quick reply RYAXIN...However I did JUST figure it out, and am hoping that it will repeat itself and not stop after a few seconds, like I'm seeing on my computer...do you know if it will?

Another question. Isn't this more for "Stuck pixels"? Versus "Image Retention"? I would think a "White Wash" or something more Solid would be better for "Image Retention" I certainly don't want to see all of these "2 inch(ish)" squares leaving even different Image Retention on my screen, versus what I already have.

Thanks again!

Note: I think I found another solution for my particular Image Retention problem here at this website:

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/downloads.htm

There, you can burn a DVD disk that should be about 24 hours in length of the repeating color patterns in 16:9 size. You can read much more about it that at website.

I'll let you know how this is working as time goes on.

Best to you all.
post #52 of 62
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Originally Posted by lostsocks View Post

Pioneer seems to think burn in IS reversable. Anyway this is a long read but well worth it I feel.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pi...0-%20FINAL.pdf

Indeed it WAS a worthwhile read. And while it seemed a bit heavy-handed in plasma's corner, I guess denouncing purported "facts" would make any source appear to be biased.

I've yet to take delivery of my first plasma (A Pio 6020), and while I can't speak to Panny's and Samsungs, I searched EXHAUSTIVELY to find people having burn-in or IR issues with Kuro's, and that search simply turned up empty. And I mean empty.

Like many here have stated, I don't know that it's IMPOSSIBLE on a Kuro, but it seems like you REALLY have to be going out of your way for it to occur.

At any rate, even IF IR was an issue, the increased level of PQ over the existing technologies would still likely earn my $$$$'s.

The way I see it, if you're snooping around this site, you're prpobably the type of person who SHOULD spend the extra $1000. I mean unless you're replacing the television in 18 months, what's an extra grand over 4 years- twenty bucks a month? Well worth it to me.

just an opinion, I guess.

James
post #53 of 62
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Originally Posted by The Hornet View Post

Ok...Thanks for the quick reply RYAXIN...However I did JUST figure it out, and am hoping that it will repeat itself and not stop after a few seconds, like I'm seeing on my computer...do you know if it will?

Another question. Isn't this more for "Stuck pixels"? Versus "Image Retention"? I would think a "White Wash" or something more Solid would be better for "Image Retention" I certainly don't want to see all of these "2 inch(ish)" squares leaving even different Image Retention on my screen, versus what I already have.

Thanks again!

Note: I think I found another solution for my particular Image Retention problem here at this website:

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/downloads.htm

There, you can burn a DVD disk that should be about 24 hours in length of the repeating color patterns in 16:9 size. You can read much more about it that at website.

I'll let you know how this is working as time goes on.

Best to you all.


My bad, I was referring to the OP who claimed Burn In, hence why I included the jscreenfix website....

In reference to the Break In DVD, you can also try the following site. I've read nothing but good reviews.

http://www.webapalooza.com/plasma/
post #54 of 62
Maybe it's because Vizio is not so good, but I bought a brand new Vizio VP422 last year and I did not "abuse" it in any way and I followed all break in guidelines. After watching ESPN for no more than a few hours the tv had the ESPNHD logo permanently burnt in. Burn in is still an issue with plasma tvs, at least the lower tier models.
post #55 of 62
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Originally Posted by supermel74 View Post

Maybe it's because Vizio is not so good, but I bought a brand new Vizio VP422 last year and I did not "abuse" it in any way and I followed all break in guidelines. After watching ESPN for no more than a few hours the tv had the ESPNHD logo permanently burnt in. Burn in is still an issue with plasma tvs, at least the lower tier models.

The Korean made plasma screens are notorious for developing very persistent IR, and sometimes that develops into permanent burn-in. But i seriously doubt that watching only two hours of ESPN-HD has caused your TV to become permanently burned-in so there has to be more to the story than that. It takes a long time for IR to turn into burn-in.

I leave my Panasonic plasma on Speedchannel for several hours straight on the many weekends, and i've watched ESPN-HD for upwards of 6 hours straight dozens of times and none of my three Panasonic plasmas have any burn-in. Any IR they get from these long sessions goes away within a few to several seconds when i switch to another channel.
post #56 of 62
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The Korean made plasma screens are notorious for developing very persistent IR, and sometimes that develops into permanent burn-in. But i seriously doubt that watching only two hours of ESPN-HD has caused your TV to become permanently burned-in so there has to be more to the story than that.

No, there's no more to the story. That's exactly how it happened. I did everything according to the "expert" recommendations from this forum and others. Why do some of you guys find this so hard to believe? I bought the TV brand new in box from Walmart. I did not "abuse" it in any way. I have burn in. Period.
post #57 of 62
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Originally Posted by supermel74 View Post

No, there's no more to the story. That's exactly how it happened. I did everything according to the "expert" recommendations from this forum and others. Why do some of you guys find this so hard to believe? I bought the TV brand new in box from Walmart. I did not "abuse" it in any way. I have burn in. Period.

Sorry, but i cannot believe that watching only two measly hours of ESPN-HD permanently burned the logo into the screen, even on the lowest of the low end models. That's just unheard of around here.

How many months has that ESPN-HD logo been visible in the screen?

Do you see it when watching light colored scenes or dark scenes?

And i presume you've watched other programs for a few hours over the past year - is there any burn-in from other content?
post #58 of 62
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Sorry, but i cannot believe that watching only two measly hours of ESPN-HD permanently burned the logo into the screen, even on the lowest of the low end models. That's just unheard of around here.

How many months has that ESPN-HD logo been visible in the screen?

Do you see it when watching light colored scenes or dark scenes?

And i presume you've watched other programs for a few hours over the past year - is there any burn-in from other content?

It was a baseball game. 3 hours give or take but not more than 5 hours. I bought the tv a year ago last June. The burn in happened about 2 or 3 weeks later so it's been visible for over a year now. It's only noticeable on light colored screens.
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by supermel74 View Post

It was a baseball game. 3 hours give or take but not more than 5 hours. I bought the tv a year ago last June. The burn in happened about 2 or 3 weeks later so it's been visible for over a year now. It's only noticeable on light colored screens.

lol I can't believe you got burn in from 3 hours of espn sorry. I had a Vizio a few years ago and watched ESPN all the time and had nothing more than some IR that went away.
post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

lol I can't believe you got burn in from 3 hours of espn sorry. I had a Vizio a few years ago and watched ESPN all the time and had nothing more than some IR that went away.

Well you are wrong because that's exactly what happened. I was well aware of all the dos and don'ts of plasmas when I bought the tv. I took every precaution. I didn't want to scar my new tv. It happened. Just as I said. You want pics? I messed with the contrast and brightness (of the pic, not the tv) so it could be seen better.

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