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post #61 of 88
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Originally Posted by gpjnevada View Post

Well, I cancelled the Onkyo and found a Pioneer DV-610 from Buy.com for $99.89 shipped: http://www.buy.com/prod/pioneer-dv-6...210893838.html

For my setup, I shouldn't be able to tell much difference.

I am going to stuff the Hakan firmware into it when it arrives

The 49AV is literally the same thing as the DV-610AV. You can install Hakan's DV-610AV firmware on the DV-49AV just fine. With the 49av, all you need to do is rename YJC8919A.BIN to YJF8919A.BIN. Two people at AVS did it and it was safe and successful. I think the different firmware prefixes are Pioneer's way of regional control over service and marketing. The players are the same internally in pure flesh and blood. So unless you plan on getting another player for another room, that's just a big waste of money in my opinion.
post #62 of 88
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yeah, I knew all that beforehand, largely because of your discussion in the 506 thread (thanks!). I bought the player solely for its' high rez audio capability. The video should work well enough with a the some old MediaTek 1389. The Denon 758 I briefly used had limited controls, and no enhanced FW, but the picture (as well as the sound) was outstanding, better to my eye than the 49 or 610. Faroudja vs. MediaTek??? Who knows, as with many things perception is subjective. While the Hakan FW is outstanding, all the players I've used thus far are pretty darn good right out of the box.

The tone controls provided by Hakan are very welcomed with my headphone amp which has zero tone controls. Tone controls on either the Onkyo, Denon, or Pioneer don't matter so much when transporting to a full blown AVR.

Overall, just having fun testing out the different players and it's not breaking my bank, so all is good........

I don't know what chipset is in the Onkyo DV-SP506, but are you saying you know for sure it's an MT1389?
post #63 of 88
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I found this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=3994

True or not??? I don't know if that is a pic of the 58 or 506 or if it's just a 1389 stock photo. I'll know Wednesday when i receive the unit.

If the 506 really does use an MT1389EXE, I would find it very unusual for Onkyo not to include options for adjusting contrast, gamma, tint, and color level. Another thing: It would be even more interesting if the 506 is the same flesh and blood as the Pioneer DV-800AV/LX50/58AV, but just with different firmware.
post #64 of 88
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I've been using the Onkyo DV-SP506 Silver for a couple of days now and have a couple of initial comments. Nothing serious, just some observations and perceptions.

The build quality is excellent. Steel shell and aluminum front; the feel of a quality piece of equipment.

http://www.procinema.hu/termekkepek/...VSP506_big.jpg

The decoders are Zoran, namely the Vaddis 886-S (S stands for SACD) with an HDMI 1080P companion IC (chip #722) the HDXtreme 2. The up-scaled (1080P) video produced looks excellent to my eye. There is, however, no on-the-fly picture controls. Example: the brightness, sharpness, and black level must be set inside the setup menu while playback is stopped. Not a great thing, but since the controls are so few, it's not an issue. To sum it up, the display looks fantastic, no issues so far.

I didn't take the following pictures of the interior. I found them on the web of the Euro model which is identical (if I get a chance I'll get back in there and snap some pics):

http://img5.abload.de/img/dsc_0247372q.jpg
http://img1.abload.de/img/dsc_0246e597.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/dsc_0244773i.jpg

I currently have the unit connected to a Pioneer VSX-919AH-K and the audio transfer to it over HDMI sounds very good. This particular receiver converts DSD to PCM. When I play a multi-channel SACD and set the 506 to output 6ch PCM instead of DSD, the receiver shows that it is receiving 176.4 kHz and it does sound different (better) than letting the receiver do the conversion.

What really blows me away is the 6 ch analog sound. The sound field is incredible. Less bright and very full sound especially on the low and mid low range with very crisp highs but very natural sounding. Very detailed and rich. The HDMI has excellent clarity but lacks the bottom end detail as of now. I believe I need to spend alot more time setting up the AVR, but the HDMI transfer while sounding great, does indeed sound more synthetic. Very tickled with the analog sound.......fun!

And then a question. I can't for the life of me spot the advertised Burr-Brown PCM1796 DAC(s) inside the unit unless the chip(s) are mounted on the underside of the decoder card or elsewhere??? I wonder if it could reside under the 2 inch, 2 sided strip of tape next to the 886-S chip as shown in the photo above. The tape is very sticky and would be very difficult to remove. I don't want to risk the warranty or else I'd remove it.

Another great feature is HDMI display while playing SACD. All tags are identified, name, artist, time, disc info all there in a very well designed full screen display.

And then an oddity. While playing DVD-A, 3 buttons do not function on either the remote or front panel, namely the pause, FF, and reverse buttons. They work fine with SACD however. I e-mailed Onkyo support.

Overall, I am very happy with this unit especially for the low price I paid.

Equipment used:
Onkyo DV-SP506S
Pioneer DV-610
Pioneer VSX-919AH-K
Hanspree 28" monitor (1920 x 1200)
Polk CS1 (center)
Polk M40 (front)
Polk M30 (surround)
The Speaker Company ASW-8 subw
13' x 13' room with 9 ft ceiling.

Possibly more comments later if time allows.

Additional SP506 discussion: translated Euro website forum Not too difficult to read but a few head-scratchers.

After reading this, I have no plans on getting this player, unless I need emergancy DSD via analog. I've used a Zoran Vaddis 6 player, a CyberHome CH DVD300. I didn't like its lack of video adjustments, its Pal-to-NTSC conversion, and its pause during the layer change. It's a good thing you have some Pioneer players with Hkan's firmware installed on them. Hang on to them! They're great video performers!
post #65 of 88
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I'll keep the Pioneers and I'll keep the Onkyo too, you really have to see the PQ to appreciate it. Here is a good bit of info (pdf) on Zoran:

http://www.szchallenge.com/manageweb...3012339746.pdf

Audio is my main interest however, and the 506 compliments the Pioneer players well. Digital transport is similar, analog much better on 506. Good to have a few top notch SACD capable players stockpiled just in case...........

Did you play a Pal disc without region encoding on the 506? Any artifacts during Pal-to-NTSC conversion? Also, how's the layer change at that layer break point of some DVDs? For analog audio, I have a Pioneer Elite DV-58AV. So at this time, I don't think I need the 506 for analog audio.
post #66 of 88
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The 506 has not had any firmware changes/hacks that I am am aware of. Therefore, still no multi-region or PAL (I don't have any media to test). I haven't yet noticed any layer change issue. For me, this is solely an audio player, but the player does suit my needs with video too as I don't need MR, PAL. I am a typical NA user. Have you considered a BluRay player? The Panasonic DMP-BD60K is currently hovering around $200. Reviews show favorable SD playback ability.

I have a ten-year-old CRT. I don't think I'd benifit from a Blu-ray player.
post #67 of 88
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Curiosity got the better of me and I had to know if three advertised Burr-Brown DAC's were present insde the 506. I carefully removed the decoder board to check the backside which was indeed full of caps, chips, etc...however, no indication that Burr-Brown was present. The whole decoder board top and bottom have no Burr-Brown. Nothing under the strip of tape either (I mentioned that earlier).

I wonder if Onkyo modified the original design? Unless the DAC's are located somewhere else, I feel a bit confused (possibly disappointed) by Onkyo's continued advertising of three Burr-Brown 1796 DAC's inside the 506.

Did you see anything like Cirrus Logic CS4361/4362/4382/4392/4397/4398? On the previous 504 model, Onkyo claimed it used Cirrus Logic CS4398 DACs, which are not quite as good as the Burr-Brown PCM1796 DACs. Boy am I glad I never got this player!
post #68 of 88
I just ordered this player to replace my Oppo 970. I am going to use it with an Onkyo 886 processor via HDMI. I have a few quick questions.

Is it best to ouput DSD or PCM? Is Audyssey active when a DSD signal is being decoded? Do I have to do anything special for the "RI control" to work?
post #69 of 88
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I just ordered this player to replace my Oppo 970. I am going to use it with an Onkyo 886 processor via HDMI. I have a few quick questions.

Is it best to ouput DSD or PCM? Is Audyssey active when a DSD signal is being decoded? Do I have to do anything special for the "RI control" to work?


The DSD will be converted to analog directly only if DSP is not used from what I understand. I think you will just have to try both and make up your own mind. The one thing I do know from my TX-SR875 is that if you pass 192/24 LPCM it just runs it direct with no DSP, I think that is what you get as output if the player converts it and sends it over HDMI.
post #70 of 88
I remember reading in the Onkyo 886 manual that a 192/24 LPCM signal doesn't get touched by Audyssey. I assume that means DSPs can't be applied either. What does it do with a DSD signal?

Once I receive the 506 I will play around with it to see what sounds the best.
post #71 of 88
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I remember reading in the Onkyo 886 manual that a 192/24 LPCM signal doesn't get touched by Audyssey. I assume that means DSPs can't be applied either. What does it do with a DSD signal?

If you put it in pure audio or direct mode DSD goes right to the DACs for conversion into analog for the preamp section. If the 506 converts it to 192/24 the same thing will happen (no point to it for your setup, more of an issue for HDMI 1.1 stuff). Converting it to LPCM for use by Audyssey and other DSP work really does no harm that I can hear (unlike earlier recievers and controllers that I have tried).

The DSP and DACs are really quite excellent in the 876 and up range. You get a better preamp section and better shielding than I have with the 875 but basically the same logic and chipsets. I a pretty good amp but you can probably do slightly better for some environments with the separates route you have taken.
post #72 of 88
Just pulled trigger on the Onkyo 506 over at Vanns.com. $200.00 shipped.
post #73 of 88
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Just pulled trigger on the Onkyo 506 over at Vanns.com. $200.00 shipped.

I just purchased this player. I cant wait to test it out I bought it for the SACD/DVDaudio.
post #74 of 88
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I just purchased this player. I cant wait to test it out I bought it for the SACD/DVDaudio.

Same here....the Onkyo will be my first universal player. All of my other SACD players have been Sony's....thus no DVD-A.
post #75 of 88
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Originally Posted by beekermartin View Post

I just ordered this player to replace my Oppo 970. I am going to use it with an Onkyo 886 processor via HDMI. I have a few quick questions.

Is it best to ouput DSD or PCM? Is Audyssey active when a DSD signal is being decoded? Do I have to do anything special for the "RI control" to work?

Hello,
I just bought a 506 to replace my Oppo 970. I do not know if I got a bad player or not but wanted to know if anybody else who owns this player had the same issues?
1. The Volume through HDMI, outputting DSD and PCM is very low. On my onkyo 705, I have to have my amps volume at -16 compared to the Oppo's -24?
Also when sending PCM 5.1 out via HDMI the Audysee settings shut off on the Onkyo 705? This does not happen when I set the player to auto.
I also bought this player for its analog outputs, not impressed at all compared to my denon 2200 I would not reccomend this player. The Oppos HDMI output sounds much better than the onkyo and this does not make sense because the DAC via HDMI is in my amp?
post #76 of 88
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Hello,
I just bought a 506 to replace my Oppo 970. I do not know if I got a bad player or not but wanted to know if anybody else who owns this player had the same issues?
1. The Volume through HDMI, outputting DSD and PCM is very low. On my onkyo 705, I have to have my amps volume at -16 compared to the Oppo's -24?
Also when sending PCM 5.1 out via HDMI the Audysee settings shut off on the Onkyo 705? This does not happen when I set the player to auto.
I also bought this player for its analog outputs, not impressed at all compared to my denon 2200 I would not reccomend this player. The Oppos HDMI output sounds much better than the onkyo and this does not make sense because the DAC via HDMI is in my amp?

The gain could be lower on the Onkyo versus the Oppo. That shouldn't make a difference other than having to raise the volume higher.

If both the Oppo and Onkyo are sending pcm then they should sound very similar. Make sure you check the volume on both using a SPL meter to make sure you are comparing them at the same volume level.

You will have to post in the 705 thread about Audyssey turning off. It is possible that the 705 can't use audyssey with a 5.1 pcm signal. Although I doubt that is the case. I do know that Audyssey can't be used with a 192khz signal. If you have the Onkyo player set to 192khz pcm then that is the reason. As far as I know there are very few discs, including BR, that are encoded at 192khz. The Oppo converts DSD to PCM 88.2khz, if I remember correctly. You should be able to check by hitting the display button on the 705 while it is playing.

I am very happy with the 506 ouputting dsd to the 886. It sounds great. I haven't used the analog outs so I can't comment on that.
post #77 of 88
I'm itching to get a second Onkyo DV-SP506 for my 2 channel system; I already have one for my home theater. The second Onkyo will be used as a dedicated CD/SACD player and the video portion of the player will not be used. I was wondering if anyone has compared the DV-SP506 to Onkyo's dedicated 2 channel stereo CD/SACD player, the C-S5VL? As of this post, the "street price" of the C-S5VL is about $125.00 more than the DV-SP506. I like to know if the $125.00 will buy me noticeable improvements in performance.
post #78 of 88
I assume you will be using the analog outs. The 506 has Burr Brown dacs and the C-S5VL has Wolfson dacs. From what I've read the Wolfson dacs are superior. I believe the C-S5VL also has some filtering modes for cds that may increase the SQ depending on your system and what souds good to you. How much of a difference it will make in your system I don't know. The 506 also plays dvd audio discs and of course has a lot more to offer if you ever decide to expand from a two channel only system.

I am considering selling my silver 506. If your interested let me know. It has been used very lightly. I only use it for listening to music which isn't as often as I would like. I am leaning towards picking up an Oppo BD-80 to replace my current BR player. Since it also plays sacd and dvd audio I won't be needing the 506. PM if your interested.
post #79 of 88
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I assume you will be using the analog outs. The 506 has Burr Brown dacs and the C-S5VL has Wolfson dacs. From what I've read the Wolfson dacs are superior. I believe the C-S5VL also has some filtering modes for cds that may increase the SQ depending on your system and what souds good to you. How much of a difference it will make in your system I don't know. The 506 also plays dvd audio discs and of course has a lot more to offer if you ever decide to expand from a two channel only system.

I am considering selling my silver 506. If your interested let me know. It has been used very lightly. I only use it for listening to music which isn't as often as I would like. I am leaning towards picking up an Oppo BD-80 to replace my current BR player. Since it also plays sacd and dvd audio I won't be needing the 506. PM if your interested.

Thanks for your input, beekermartin!

I've considered the Oppo as well, but given that my priority with this second machine is for 2 channel reproduction of CD and SACD, I wanted something that would give me the utmost performance within my budget.....which is very low. Personally, I prefer the Burr-Brown DAC in my Onkyo DV-SP506 (silver as well) for both CD and SACD.
post #80 of 88
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Thanks for your input, beekermartin!

I've considered the Oppo as well, but given that my priority with this second machine is for 2 channel reproduction of CD and SACD, I wanted something that would give me the utmost performance within my budget.....which is very low. Personally, I prefer the Burr-Brown DAC in my Onkyo DV-SP506 (silver as well) for both CD and SACD.

For the best two channel performance you would want at least the Oppo BD-83. The 83SE is even better but it is quite a bit more. I am sure the BD-80 is a decent player but I have to assume the 506 would best it via the analogs. I am currently using HDMI so I don't care about the analog perfomance of the bd-80. I have an older Pioneer Elite DV-47ai that I am currently using with my outdoor speakers. If I ever need a good analog SACD/DVD audio player in my main system again that is what I'll use.
post #81 of 88
A Pioneer BDP-51FD (used eBay or elsewhere) provides excellent CD stereo playback utilizing Wolfson DAC's. It is slow but the audio quality is outstanding and highly praised for its' stereo capability. As a bonus if you decide to use HDMI, the 51 will use 2ch PQLS if paired with a Pioneer receiver that supports PQLS (like my VSX-919). PQLS eliminates jitter completely.

Another route is a Pioneer BDP-320 ($150 new) with Burr-Brown 1742 DAC's. This machine also employs 2ch PQLS.
post #82 of 88
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Originally Posted by beekermartin View Post

I assume you will be using the analog outs. The 506 has Burr Brown dacs and the C-S5VL has Wolfson dacs. From what I've read the Wolfson dacs are superior.

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A Pioneer BDP-51FD (used eBay or elsewhere) provides excellent CD stereo playback utilizing Wolfson DAC's.

I will be using analog outputs....until I can afford a receiver with DSD decoding.

I heard of Wolfson's DAC superiority, is it for real?
post #83 of 88
Yes its an old thread.

Have one of these new. Tried a used Intergra 6.9, this player but Integra label, and it had problems. So I purchased a 506 new.

I'm having trouble with HDMI DSD 6Ch out feeding my Denon 3808.

The Denon works perfectly with my lowly Sony BDP-S370 for multichannel dsd via hdmi for SACD. My Denon works perfectly for same with my Pioneer DV610.

With the Onkyo no matter what settings I use the DSD is being received at the Denon as DSD 2CH.

I'm checking the audio information not looking at the little lights in the Denon's Information page via the Web access.

Information with same disk as noted with the Sony/Pioneer shows DSD Multichannel.

The Onkyo sees and reads the multichannel sacd hybrid layer. If I use 6CH PCM via HDMI it is perfect. Amazing in fact. Given the Burr Browns in the Onkyo I'm not surprised.

But it is supposed to do DSD Multichannel via HDMI not just 2CH.

The GUI/TV display for the Onkyo says the Multichannel layer is in focus.

I've posed with Onkyo but so far nothing concrete from them.

Seems to me its a firmware issue. The DSD 6Ch option code is looking at the 2CH layer on the SACD.

Analog works fine as well.

Only issue is the DSD HDMI multichannel output.
post #84 of 88
I haven't owned the 506 for a few years. Is there an audio button on the remote? If so have you tried hitting that while a 5.1 sacs is playing to see if that switches it from 2 channel to surround? That is what my Oppo does at least. I know the Oppo also has a setting for which to default to but I can change it on the fly with the audio button.
post #85 of 88
Yes, tried that. With the Onkyo it resets the playback when it changes audio tracks. All that works. Multichannel via hdmi dsd never shows up at the receiver. Even though the 506's GUI display says "Multichannel" is the area in focus or playing back.

In the setup you tell it which layer to focus on, cd area, 2 ch area, multichannel area. Then what you tell the HDMI Audio to do that tells it what to send via hdmi.

So Multichannel area in focus, HDMI DSD 6CH out, should send multichannel DSD.

Multichannel area of in focus, HDMI 6CH PCM out, mutlichannel is sent.

2 CH or CD area in focus no matter what I set HDMI audio to only thing sent is 2CH stereo. As it should be. Either 2CH PCM or 2CH DSD.

Multichannel area of focus set but HDMI Audio set to 2CH, all that is sent is 2 CH. As it should be.

Given the logic that has to be in play it seems very likely to me there is a simple mistake in the firmware code.

If MultiChannel area of focus=yes, HDMI DSD 6 CH=yes, then send multichannel area of sacd in dsd format out HDMI is not coded properly.

Me thinks.

Problem now is finding folks with similar setups to test it themselves. Of my friends locally, even ones home theater savy, when I say, "You gotta listen to DSD SACD Multichannel out via HDMI" they look at me as making a sound but not saying any words.

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post #86 of 88
That's a strange issue you've got there. It sounds to me like you've checked all possible settings. The only thing I can recommend is to do a factory reset on the Onkyo if that is possible. If any your friends have a receiver that can accept and decode dsd via hdmi then try out the Onkyo with their receiver.
post #87 of 88
Thanks. I agree it is an odd one. Especially since using the DVD player that way is not all that frequent now. We've all moved on to bluray.....

Picking up an Onkyo 626 shortly and it does DSD via HDMI. Will be able to to test at that time. I've posted on the Onkyo Support Forum. I can't quite tell what they are doing but they have responded to me. Seems like an easy thing to test on their end. The 506 is not that old.
post #88 of 88
Onkyo support handed it up the food chain to their "engineers". So maybe progress. Not sure yet. But kudos to Onkyo for digging into it a bit deeper.
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