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Okay maybe someone can help a guy out who is a little fuzzy with math. I am looking to build a 100" diagonal screen. The viewable area will be 49" x 87". I am thinking of adding the 3" border all the way around which would make it 55" x 93". So when everyone is figuring out what length tubing they need are you adding in the length of the connectors as well? I am not in anyway mechanically inclined and I guess I am having a hard time grasping what I should add to the measurements to factor in the connectors. Anyone help me out on this? Thanks for creating this thread 20Fan, you are giving me hope that I might actually be able to make my own screen!

Here is what you need if you want an additional 3" of overlap and are using 2 vertical center braces going with your 55" x 93" dimensions:

4 9220 2-way corners
4 9230 3-way tees
4 9000 47" lenghts of 1" square tube
6 9000 27.66" lenghts of 1" square tube

This would mean that the actual frame will measure 49" x 86.98"
Thanks for the help Peter! I was actually hoping that the frame would include the 3" extra for the velvet tape, is that included in the measurements above? I just want to make sure that the laminate does not overlap the frame at all. Thanks again!
Just so you'll see where I get these measurements:

Horizontal:
3" on each side for overlap = 6"
4 connectors at 1" each = 4"
3 pieces of aluminum tubing at 27.66" each = 82.98"
6 + 4 + 82.98 = 92.98"

Vertical:
3" on each side for overlap = 6"
2 connectors at 1" each = 2"
1 pieces of aluminum tubing at 47"
6 + 2 + 47 = 55"
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Thanks for the help Peter! I was actually hoping that the frame would include the 3" extra for the velvet tape, is that included in the measurements above? I just want to make sure that the laminate does not overlap the frame at all. Thanks again!

Yes, it does include 3" between the fram and the edge of the laminate.

I did 1.5" between the frame and laminate so that I can wrap the 3" velvet tape and have 1.5" on the front and 1.5" on the back. The reason that I did this is because I took a fair amount of time to align my frame perfectly so that I didn't have to compensate on the mount I used to make sure it would hang level. I have exactly 1.5" around the entire frame to the edge of the laminate. So theoretically, when I apply my 3" velvet tape, if I apply it to be back first exactly on the frame edge, when I wrap it to the front, it should have a smooth even edge that will be just barely under 1.5" all the way around. I believe it will allow me to apply the tape easier and more precise. But until I do it, it's just theory.
I think I like your idea of 1.5" a little better Peter. I don't know how much I would like a 3" border on a 100" screen. Thanks again for your help.
Ok, if the viewable area will be 49" x 87", then with 1.5" for each side, top and bottom you'll have a total screen size of 52" x 90".

The frame and all the components will remain the same, only the laminate size will change.
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Originally Posted by PeterB123

Ok, if the viewable area will be 49" x 87", then with 1.5" for each side, top and bottom you'll have a total screen size of 52" x 90".

The frame and all the components will remain the same, only the laminate size will change.

I thought he said he did not want the laminate to hang past the frame, but wanted the laminate to go to edge of the frame all around. Then he would have to make the frame same size as laminate, including amount wanted for the velvet border. Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the help Peter! I was actually hoping that the frame would include the 3" extra for the velvet tape, is that included in the measurements above? I just want to make sure that the laminate does not overlap the frame at all. Thanks again!"
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Originally Posted by 20fan

I thought he said he did not want the laminate to hang past the frame, but wanted the laminate to go to edge of the frame all around. Then he would have to make the frame same size as laminate, including amount wanted for the velvet border. Correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks for the help Peter! I was actually hoping that the frame would include the 3" extra for the velvet tape, is that included in the measurements above? I just want to make sure that the laminate does not overlap the frame at all. Thanks again!"

Wow, I need you to start proof reading all of my posts, lol. Good catch.

Thanks for catching that 20fan, I myself didn't even notice! No worries though Peter, I haven't ordered it yet anyway. So to get this straight for a 3" border that is even with the edge of the frame I would be looking at a 54" x 93" frame. So the break down would be:

Horizontal:
4 connectors at 1" each = 4"
6 pieces of aluminum tubing at 29.66" each = 89"

Vertical:
2 connectors at 1" each = 2"
4 pieces of aluminum tubing at 52"

So total dimensions with the connectors would equal 54" x 93" Is that correct? Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for catching that 20fan, I myself didn't even notice! No worries though Peter, I haven't ordered it yet anyway. So to get this straight for a 3" border that is even with the edge of the frame I would be looking at a 54" x 93" frame. So the break down would be:

Horizontal:
4 connectors at 1" each = 4"
6 pieces of aluminum tubing at 29.66" each = 89"

Vertical:
2 connectors at 1" each = 2"
4 pieces of aluminum tubing at 52"

So total dimensions with the connectors would equal 54" x 93" Is that correct? Thanks in advance.

Yes, that is correct. (And this time I read it twice to make sure I understood what you were asking, lol)
Awesome! Thanks again Peter and thanks 20fan for starting this thread. Gives guys like me that were overwhelmed with the idea of building a frame out of wood another option!
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Originally Posted by PeterB123

Yes, that is correct. (And this time I read it twice to make sure I understood what you were asking, lol)

Was reading the posts and found that if dee wants a 100" diaganol 16:9 screen and frame (49" x 87" viewable), he would actually need a highth of 55" and a width of 93", as stated, to have a 3" border all around. 49" + 3" + 3" =55". So accounting for the 2 connectors vertically (2"), the verticle frame pieces would need to be 53"
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Originally Posted by 20fan

Was reading the posts and found that if dee wants a 100" diaganol 16:9 screen and frame (49" x 87" viewable), he would actually need a highth of 55" and a width of 93", as stated, to have a 3" border all around. 49" + 3" + 3" =55". So accounting for the 2 connectors vertically (2"), the verticle frame pieces would need to be 53"

Yeah, I didn't notice that he went and changed his original measurements:

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Okay maybe someone can help a guy out who is a little fuzzy with math. I am looking to build a 100" diagonal screen. The viewable area will be 49" x 87". I am thinking of adding the 3" border all the way around which would make it 55" x 93". So when everyone is figuring out what length tubing they need are you adding in the length of the connectors as well? I am not in anyway mechanically inclined and I guess I am having a hard time grasping what I should add to the measurements to factor in the connectors. Anyone help me out on this? Thanks for creating this thread 20Fan, you are giving me hope that I might actually be able to make my own screen!

You were just looking to correct me again. lol

Plus, once he changed his dimensions, he didn't say he wanted it 16:9.
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Originally Posted by PeterB123

ROFLMAO...

Well, I got the frame assembled (didn't realize how nice those 80/20 frames are) and mounted my DW using industrial velcro. I did manage to take a 1" x 1/2" chip out of the side, lol, but used tape on the back to put the broken piece back and once I use purchase and apply the velvet tape, nobody will be the wiser.

The good news was that I was patient enough to wait for a friend to come over to help me set the frame on the screen so that it was perfectly straight. I was so tempted to try to marry the two myself, but knew how difficult unvelcroing would be, so I waited. I didn't want to risk damaging it again or worse.

Once on the wall, it was nice an level and hung perfect.

I didn't take any photos because I was more interested in watching my first movie on it than searching for the camera. On top of that, I haven't had the chance to do fine adjusting on the colors, contrast and brightness and I'm a little self-concious about not having any velvet up to mask the overflow of light on the top and bottom. I'll take some photos tonight or tomorrow night and just crop them, lol.

I'm extremely satisfied with the finished product and so glad 20fan started this thread; otherwise, I would have built a wood frame that I probably wouldn't have been nearly as happy with.

My buddy who helped me hang the frame was blown away.

Now to save up for a 1080p projector.

PeterB123,

What projector are you using currently? I have an Infocus IN72, and am trying to save for a 1080P unit as well. Would like to see your screen shots when you get a chance to get them up.
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Originally Posted by 20fan

PeterB123,

What projector are you using currently? I have an Infocus IN72, and am trying to save for a 1080P unit as well. Would like to see your screen shots when you get a chance to get them up.

I'm using an older Sanyo XW15 ( http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sanyo-PLC-XW15.htm ). Considering the age and specs, it's not too bad. I also have LCOS type JVC D-ILA, but it's just too big. Beautiful picture on it, but just not functional in that room. (Got it free and with a brand new bulb).

The reason I haven't done my velvet tape is because I want to wait for a new projector. At that point, I may make a screen size modification.

I'll try to get some photos this evening to post.
OK, here are a couple of pics.

Like I said, I won't be applying the velvet until I get the new projector, so here is with lights on and camera flash and then lights off no flash.

I need to know how to photo these screens. Every picture I took turned out HORRIBLE. The image was either way too dark or extremely blurry. When I tried to adjust settings, I'd get terrible colors an even more of a mess.

What is the trick when using a point and shoot digital camera to get a decent shot of the screen?

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Originally Posted by 20fan

Was reading the posts and found that if dee wants a 100" diaganol 16:9 screen and frame (49" x 87" viewable), he would actually need a highth of 55" and a width of 93", as stated, to have a 3" border all around. 49" + 3" + 3" =55". So accounting for the 2 connectors vertically (2"), the verticle frame pieces would need to be 53"

This is why I did so poorly in math! Thanks for all the help again guys, I would have had one jacked up frame ordered if it wasn't for you two!
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Originally Posted by PeterB123

OK, here are a couple of pics.

Like I said, I won't be applying the velvet until I get the new projector, so here is with lights on and camera flash and then lights off no flash.

I need to know how to photo these screens. Every picture I took turned out HORRIBLE. The image was either way too dark or extremely blurry. When I tried to adjust settings, I'd get terrible colors an even more of a mess.

What is the trick when using a point and shoot digital camera to get a decent shot of the screen?

I used my wifes Kodak Z710 and absolutely need a tripod to keep from "the shakes". My shots in original post made the screen look further away from my seat than they really were. Also found it best to "freeze frame" a shot to help with blurry pics. No flash seems to work best for me also.

20fan
Just wanted to add my thanks to 20fan for bringing 80/20 to our attention. Just got my order and figured I'd post a quick pic while I'm waiting for some paint to dry

I went a slightly different route than everyone else. My screen is AT Sheerweave, so I added some braces to the wall and a couple floor stands with levelers, all built into the frame.

Heres a quick pic. I just put a fast coat of flat black on the center supports, but they'll need another coat. There is also a slight sag as I thew my center channel on to check heights, but I don't have the frame secured to anything at the moment so it dropped slightly in the center. (edited for BAD spelling)
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Originally Posted by RCN_Moose

Just wanted to add my thanks to 20fan for bringing 80/20 to our attention. Just got my order and figured I'd post a quick pic while I'm waiting for some paint to dry

I went a slightly different route than everyone else. My screen is AT Sheerweave, so I added some braces to the wall and a couple floor stands with levelers, all built into the frame.

Heres a quick pic. I just put a fast coat of flat black on the center supports, but they'll need another coat. There is also a slight sag as I thew my center channel on to check heights, but I don't have the frame secured to anything at the moment so it dropped slightly in the center. (edited for BAD spelling)

Excellent personalized use of the 80/20 product Moose. How are you planning on attaching your screen to the frame?
i'll wrap it around and secure it with self tapping metal screws.....
Well frames together, Sheerweave is attached and everything is fixed in place....
Tomorrow it will be time to start on the masking and border system.
Some quick pics of the frame in place, with the screen on and a couple shots of Fifth Element (it was on TV so cropped to 16/9) I still need to recalibrate the projector and my avr.

Hey RCN_Moose,

Great looking 8020 Quick Frame build !
What size is your screen & frame ?

John
Hey John, thanks.
I went with a 2.35 Screen (going to get a Panny 3000 to replace my 900)

16:9 is just over 98"
2.35:1 is just over 120"

The actual frame is 54 x 118, as I included room for a 3" border all around.

Cheers Fred
By this weekend I should have some comments about 1080P on Designer white screen. Picked up an excellent deal on a Epson 1080P that was a display model. 2 year warranty and a new bulb ! I can't believe I've had it since Sunday and have not hooked it up yet ! Seems like there is never enough time, this time of year.
20fan, Light that thing up man ! Glad to hear you got a wonderful deal on a new pj.

RCN_Moose, Thanks for the info on your screen. Will you be selling you Pan 900 ?

MERRY CHRISTMAS all !

John
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Originally Posted by 20fan

By this weekend I should have some comments about 1080P on Designer white screen. Picked up an excellent deal on a Epson 1080P that was a display model. 2 year warranty and a new bulb ! I can't believe I've had it since Sunday and have not hooked it up yet ! Seems like there is never enough time, this time of year.

Well, won't be taking any pics until new lamp arrives. The one included has 6600+ hours on it! If that is correct, that is about the most hours I've heard of anyone getting of fa single lamp. Picture is definitely not very bright, and it kinda washed out on "Dynamic" mode. Sales guy said it was on display for 6-7 months. Must have been on about 24/7...............LOL
Any updates on the projector 20fan? I have an Epson 6100 on order. I am debating between Wilsonart DW or FG, as I have light colored walls. The 80/20 quickframing idea sounds perfect. Did you use 2" wide velcro, or did you find 1" somewhere?
for some reason I kept thinking 2 sided heavy duty tape instead of velcro for attaching the screen. It's almost like I wasn't seeing the word! Boy does velcro make life much easier for attaching the screen
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Originally Posted by justlnluck

Any updates on the projector 20fan? I have an Epson 6100 on order. I am debating between Wilsonart DW or FG, as I have light colored walls.

No debate required. With the 6100, you should get the FG laminate, and run the PJ on Economy/Theater. A small amount of Calibration and Gamma adjustment will have that EP 6100 looking every bit a good as the EP 6500, contrast wise, but with not overt crushing of detail or attenuation of Whites.

Absolutely.
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