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post #121 of 939
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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

first I heard about that. but I don't think there is any truth to it... I have 8 zones, and I just use flac... no issues, it just works...

I found it under Advanced Preferences on the Desktop Controller: "The audio from line-in sources can be encoded to produce compressed or uncompressed encoding for the highest quality sound and for optimal performance with home theaters. Use Compressed encoding if you connect more than 4 zones wirelessly."

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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

not sure, I have no bridges, and my performance is just fine, I tell music to play, and it plays, not sure what any additional performance would get me? play faster maybe?

I was thinking in terms of data transmission either closer distance wirelessly or different paths for different zones. I know the music transmits via a mesh topology, but there must be some election of which zp talks to which zp away from the source or sources...


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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

yes, if your system/speakers are good enough... no if they aren't... ie I only have one zone where it matters...

My main critical listening system consists of a pair of Mirage OMD-15's with a Parasound "NewClassic" pre/pro (7100) & 250w 2ch amp (5250). The 7100 has wolfson WM8770 codecs - not really high end audiophile, but not too shabby either - so I'm not sure...

The other room with big speakers have a pair of older Mirage OM6's with a Denon 3805 receiver - but not as important. The other zones would be with the zp100/120 with Mirage OMD-5s or connected outside to a bose waveguide by the firepit - when we're out there...
post #122 of 939
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I found it under Advanced Preferences on the Desktop Controller: "The audio from line-in sources can be encoded to produce compressed or uncompressed encoding for the highest quality sound and for optimal performance with home theaters. Use Compressed encoding if you connect more than 4 zones wirelessly."

That is for the line-in content only. In other words, the analog line-in input on the back of the ZP. It's because the ZP has to digitize the input on the fly, and digitizing lossy is easier than digitizing lossless, so it puts less strain on the ZP.
post #123 of 939
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Originally Posted by Jgatie View Post

That is for the line-in content only. In other words, the analog line-in input on the back of the ZP. It's because the ZP has to digitize the input on the fly, and digitizing lossy is easier than digitizing lossless, so it puts less strain on the ZP.

If you are distributing the line-in source to in a system that has more than four zones, but only two zones are playing that source, do you have to choose the lossy format? In that case should I just drop a zone temporarily?
post #124 of 939
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Originally Posted by boblopes View Post

If you are distributing the line-in source to in a system that has more than four zones, but only two zones are playing that source, do you have to choose the lossy format? In that case should I just drop a zone temporarily?

If only two zones are playing, I imagine it would be fine in uncompressed mode, because the processing needed for syncing only two ZP's is minimal. As more zones are added, I can see where the sync process becomes more complicated. Try it with uncompressed, and if you get choppy sound, change to compressed.
post #125 of 939
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Originally Posted by Jgatie View Post

If only two zones are playing, I imagine it would be fine in uncompressed mode, because the processing needed for syncing only two ZP's is minimal. As more zones are added, I can see where the sync process becomes more complicated. Try it with uncompressed, and if you get choppy sound, change to compressed.

Thanks, will do. The ZP100 just arrived this afternoon, adding the zone as we speak. This is so cool...
post #126 of 939
Hello All,

I read through the posts and learned a few things. However I have a couple of simple questions.

1. I currently have all my music organized with the Zune software using WMA Lossless. I understand that Sonos is not compatible with WMA Lossless so I'll have to convert it to FLAC. Once I hook a NAS to my network how should I go about copying all my music files and converting them on the NAS?

2. I need at least 1 TB, anyone have any recommendations for a good compatible NAS?

Thanks for your help, I'm sure I'll have some more questions later.
post #127 of 939
I am completing construction on a new home. Had it wired for whole house audio - speakers and volume controls in several room. Contractor is recommending Elan - an expensive system which could push traditional music sources - AM/FM, CD, XM, iPod dock, etc.

I recently ran across Sonos. I love it! All I really need from a music standpoint is my iTunes library and Pandora.

However, I would love to use the universal remote and the in-wall volume controls I can install to control my receiver/amp, all audio sources, AND THE SONOS.

Any way to do that? Or would I have to use the Receiver controllers (whether a remote or in-wall volume control) to flip to Sonos as a source and then use the Sonos controller or an iPod/iPhone to control the Sonos?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
post #128 of 939
You can count me as a Sonosmaniac. I love music; have always really enjoyed a wide variety of genres and have always felt music is part of my soul. However, I have never been lucky enough to live in a house where there were speaker zones. I was always envious of people who built a house and wired it for sound. When I bought my first house 6 years ago, it had a perfect basement for what became my home theater, but was not pre-wired in any of the rooms.

I stumbled across Sonos somewhere...actually it may have been on here years ago, and it sounded like the perfect solution. But I hesitated for quite a while, scared of the investment and not sure it would work well. Finally, I bit the bullet nearly a year ago. I have a great theater, with Anthem pre-pro, JVC pj, 110" screen, etc. However, the Sonos system is probably the single best thing I have ever bought in my life. By June of last year, I had 8 zones: master BR, master BA, kitchen, dining room, family room, theater room, workout room, and patio. I live alone, so I usually link up all the interior rooms, play what I want and can wander around the house listening to my music. I have napster, which has opened up my life to all kinds of new artists. I have definitely bought more music than previous years due to listening to them on my sonos. I wake up in the morning to music. I get dressed and do a workout to music. I shower and get ready to music. I clean my house, eat dinner, chill, have parties, etc. etc. all to music. There are not many products that have entered my life that I would say have transformed it so utterly and so simply. My year with it has not been entirely trouble free; however, the issue is always simple to fix and I've never had to contact the company for help. Truly a product that I cannot live without.
post #129 of 939
I have a ZP 90 hooked up to my main listening room reciever (Pioneer Elite VSX-84TXSi), and works fine for incoming Sonos listening (though the sound level is much lower than my other sources).

Anyway, I wanted to use the Line-In feature on the ZP 90, but, the analog outputs from my reciever only output if the source is also analog. I want to be able to distribute my CD/SACD/DVDA/DVD/BluRay/PS3 source material to the Sonos.

I found a Gefen GTV-DD-2-AA converter devise that takes a dolby digital (up to 5.1) signal from coax or optical input to an analog 2 channel signal output.

Question is does anyone have experience with this converter, or some other way to distribute my digital sources through the ZP 90?
post #130 of 939
Are the controllers easy to navigate through a large library? Easy to get from A to Z? How about playlists, easy to setup and access from the controller?

Thanks,
s-one
post #131 of 939
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Originally Posted by s-one View Post

Are the controllers easy to navigate through a large library? Easy to get from A to Z? How about playlists, easy to setup and access from the controller?

Thanks,
s-one

Both the Sonos Controller and the iPhone app have a "quick seek" that allows you to quickly scroll to and select a letter of the alphabet, it then displays tags beginning with that letter.

To create a Sonos playlist, you simply make selections for the queue, then save the queue as a playlist. It will also import all playlists from iTunes, Media Monkey, etc., as long as they are in the share path. If you make a new playlist from your music manager software, you have to reindex for Sonos to recognize it. Indexing time depends on the number of files, but unless you are doing a brand new index, it's usually under a minute.
post #132 of 939
That is great! Thank you Jgatie!
post #133 of 939
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Originally Posted by Eric Goldman View Post

Question is does anyone have experience with this converter, or some other way to distribute my digital sources through the ZP 90?

I have tried some live tapes from a cassette deck with mixed results. Only had three zones and a bridge in the network and the only zone that did not have any drop off was the zone that had the analog in and the digital out... I did have it set for lossless transmissions. Since then, I have added more zones and have not tried it again.

I don't understand why there's no digital in - probably a clocking reason. You may have better results putting the material thru a computer...

I'm fairly new to Sonos, so there may be better ways...
post #134 of 939
I was using my wife's iPhone to control the Sonos without issue until about a week ago when the app said that it needed to be updated. No problem, I thought, until I went to the app store and was told that my wife's iPhone isn't compatible with the application. I'm not sure exactly, but the phone's only about 6 months old at this point so I'm at a loss for what to do. What am I missing?
post #135 of 939
Thread Starter 
new bundle announced today and they finally changed controllers. touch scren capacative. obviously its more cost effective to buy ipod touchedas theyll do so much more, but im selling my current controller to offset the cost and picking up the new bundle.

i figure 2 iphones an ipod touch and a new sonos controller should be enough for awhile
post #136 of 939
Sonos Bundle BU250

CNET Review
post #137 of 939
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Originally Posted by truffleshuffle83 View Post

new bundle announced today and they finally changed controllers. touch scren capacative. obviously its more cost effective to buy ipod touchedas theyll do so much more, but im selling my current controller to offset the cost and picking up the new bundle.

i figure 2 iphones an ipod touch and a new sonos controller should be enough for awhile

Odd, since all of the reviews I read said that the new controller is exponentially better than an iPhone/iPod Touch review.
post #138 of 939
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Originally Posted by Superman07 View Post

Odd, since all of the reviews I read said that the new controller is exponentially better than an iPhone/iPod Touch review.

I've seen the CR200. I like the Touch app, but the CR200 is instant on, instead of "Click on, swipe, select app if not already in the app, wait for wireless for 5-6 seconds, wait for connection to Sonos, then do function." Plus it has hard buttons (I'd have preferred REW-Pause/Play-FF, but you can't have everything). Plus you get Sonosnet coverage and much longer battery life than the battery sucking (when using wireless) Touch. Is it worth it? That's up to the buyer.
post #139 of 939
Never really heard much other than "Sonos is awesome" until I saw the review on CNET... now I am considering getting it. Would I be set getting just the ZP90 for now, I would be connecting it to my receiver, it is right by my router, and I will be using my ipod touch to play music from my NAS and napster.

In the future I would add a bedroom zone, and a second living room zone.
post #140 of 939
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Originally Posted by EVizzle View Post

Never really heard much other than "Sonos is awesome" until I saw the review on CNET... now I am considering getting it. Would I be set getting just the ZP90 for now, I would be connecting it to my receiver, it is right by my router, and I will be using my ipod touch to play music from my NAS and napster.

In the future I would add a bedroom zone, and a second living room zone.

A ZP90 would be a fine start. From there, you can just keep adding zones. You can also use the sonos desktop controller from your laptop or PC. Also, keep an eye out for CR100's (the handheld controller that the CR200 replaced) on ebay.
post #141 of 939
I have the old CR100 controller. Does the CR200 behave the same way as far as the clock functions go? Can it be set to always stay on to use as a clock radio? The CR100 has no setting for "always on" while in the cradle.
post #142 of 939
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Originally Posted by Todd Scott View Post

I have the old CR100 controller. Does the CR200 behave the same way as far as the clock functions go? Can it be set to always stay on to use as a clock radio? The CR100 has no setting for "always on" while in the cradle.

The clock will display when an alarm goes off once you select that feature on the Clocks and Alarms menu. The controller cannot be set to continuously display in the cradle, but it is significantly more time than off the cradle. I'm not positive, but I think it's a maximum of 5 hours. I can check on the exact time later.
post #143 of 939
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Originally Posted by EVizzle View Post

Never really heard much other than "Sonos is awesome" until I saw the review on CNET... now I am considering getting it. Would I be set getting just the ZP90 for now, I would be connecting it to my receiver, it is right by my router, and I will be using my ipod touch to play music from my NAS and napster.

In the future I would add a bedroom zone, and a second living room zone.

With your router accessible from the location, that setup would be perfect. Note that Sonos is generous with cables, including an ethernet cable, plus RCA->mini-plug and RCA->RCA cables for the audio in/out on the ZP90. No optical or digital coax (they aren't that generous ). Note that when you get more zones, any output from your receiver can be sent to the line-in on the ZP, and then be streamed to other zones.
post #144 of 939
I'm definately getting the CR200. It would be nice for people like me (who live in small apartments) if Sonos had boomboxes like the Squeezbox that can be put into small rooms, are integrated and don't take up much space, but still work with Sonosnet reliability. However, I would like mine in black.
post #145 of 939
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Originally Posted by Jgatie View Post

With your router accessible from the location, that setup would be perfect. Note that Sonos is generous with cables, including an ethernet cable, plus RCA->mini-plug and RCA->RCA cables for the audio in/out on the ZP90. No optical or digital coax (they aren't that generous ). Note that when you get more zones, any output from your receiver can be sent to the line-in on the ZP, and then be streamed to other zones.

Thanks for the info! So you are saying I could play an LP in one zone and listen to it in another? That sounds awesome!
post #146 of 939
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Originally Posted by EVizzle View Post

Thanks for the info! So you are saying I could play an LP in one zone and listen to it in another? That sounds awesome!

yep that's kind of the whole point really...
post #147 of 939
Is anyone not upgrading to 3.0? I am holding off, I have all old gen gear - zp80, zp100, cr100. I don't think it will benefit my config. Am I right???
post #148 of 939
The 3.0 upgrade seems to be required only if one wishes to incorporate the new CR200.
Although the upgrade here went very smoothly (and I do not have the new CR200 yet), some users have been complaining about the reaction times when using the CR100 in the specific case multiple zones have been linked together (I have not yet had the opportunity to test this myself).
You might want to hold off until this has been clarified.
post #149 of 939
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Originally Posted by ghislain View Post

The 3.0 upgrade seems to be required only if one wishes to incorporate the new CR200.
Although the upgrade here went very smoothly (and I do not have the new CR200 yet), some users have been complaining about the reaction times when using the CR100 in the specific case multiple zones have been linked together (I have not yet had the opportunity to test this myself).
You might want to hold off until this has been clarified.

Thanks for the update and advice!
post #150 of 939
Anyone who is using the old CR100 notice how much faster it changes screens when in the cradle? Take it off the cradle and page changes are sluggish almost like it's throttling back the CPU when running on battery.
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