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post #211 of 947
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Originally Posted by knoxtn View Post

I was just trying to solve a speaker wiring problem. My 7.1 receiver is running in 5.1 because I can't wire the back left and right without a major project -- ripping out some wallboard and crawling in tight spaces..

It just occured to me I can run the preamp outs for the rear channels into a ZP90 and then put a ZP 120 and two speakers in the back and run them wirelessly. Cool, eh?

Trouble may be the slight delay with the auto setup (it's a Denon with Audysee ) to tose back channels - but it would sure save me a wiring headache

Anybody think this will work??? The rears aren't that important??? I just checked with Sonos and don't think they ever did this.

Yeah, that should work, and I don't think you'd get a noticeable delay. I have two AVRs (one in the Den and one in the living room) and I can pull the output of them into the ZP-90s that are in each room so that I can send whatever is running in that particular room to the other system (and, in my case, more importantly, to the other Sonos systems in the house) if I want. Mostly use it for Super Bowl party type events...

However, there may be wireless speaker extenders that can do the same thing for cheaper. Of course if you where also to use the ZP-90 to run the an input (digital or otherwise) to the AVR then it might make a little more sense economically, but you can't run both the in and the out independently at the same time since the ZP-90 has to be "playing" the input on that zone in order to send it anywhere.
post #212 of 947
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Originally Posted by knoxtn View Post

I was just trying to solve a speaker wiring problem. My 7.1 receiver is running in 5.1 because I can't wire the back left and right without a major project -- ripping out some wallboard and crawling in tight spaces..

This might work, but I wonder why you would want to go to this amount of trouble. The surround back speakers receive very little content, and are unlikely to add very much to your overall listening experience. Am I missing something?
post #213 of 947
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Am I missing something?


Actually---my main target is my surrounds---currently a pair of low cost ceiling speakers. When I was head scratching how to replace those ceilings with real speakers, I was also daydreaming about the rears

My Denon receiver allows two sets of surrounds plus a rear, and that was Plan B to make a 5.1 with two surrounds.

Ended up doing nothing, however. My wife doesn't want to look at wall mounts.
post #214 of 947
Several weeks ago I started researching how to add internet streaming services like Pandora to my audio system. I have been enjoying a number of these services on my iPhone for some time now.

My choices were narrowed down to two: either an upgraded AVR with these capabilities, or a stand-alone solution. Sonos seemed to be one of the best, if not the best, stand-alone solution. So, my strategy was to evaluate Sonos for a week, return it, then evaluate a new receiver, and finally pick the better choice.

I picked up a ZP90 player and the Zone Bridge, connected it to my audio system using a Toslink cable, and was up and running in about 15 minutes. This is incredibly intuitive technology. Since upgrading to an iPhone 4, I had a spare iPhone 3G doing nothing, so I loaded the Sonos iPhone controller on it.

At the end of the week's evaluation period, I tried to get myself to return the Sonos as per the plan, but I couldn't! I have fallen in love with the technology and simply cannot give it up. The sound quality of the streaming audio exceeds my expectations, and having so many music sources to choose from is intoxicating. And the iPhone app is as good as the stand-alone Sonos controller (especially if you can dedicate an iPhone). The last time I was so excited about a new technology was 15 years ago with my first TiVo. Sonos is that good!
post #215 of 947
Is the only difference between the 2 units SonosNet 2.0? And that only effects the mesh network?

So, in other words...if you plan to use the units wired, there is essentially NO difference?

CD
post #216 of 947
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Originally Posted by CDLehner View Post

Is the only difference between the 2 units SonosNet 2.0? And that only effects the mesh network?

So, in other words...if you plan to use the units wired, there is essentially NO difference?

CD

Correct, just better wireless performance with the SonosNet 2.0
post #217 of 947
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Several weeks ago I started researching how to add internet streaming services like Pandora to my audio system. I have been enjoying a number of these services on my iPhone for some time now.

My choices were narrowed down to two: either an upgraded AVR with these capabilities, or a stand-alone solution. Sonos seemed to be one of the best, if not the best, stand-alone solution. So, my strategy was to evaluate Sonos for a week, return it, then evaluate a new receiver, and finally pick the better choice.

I picked up a ZP90 player and the Zone Bridge, connected it to my audio system using a Toslink cable, and was up and running in about 15 minutes. This is incredibly intuitive technology. Since upgrading to an iPhone 4, I had a spare iPhone 3G doing nothing, so I loaded the Sonos iPhone controller on it.

At the end of the week's evaluation period, I tried to get myself to return the Sonos as per the plan, but I couldn't! I have fallen in love with the technology and simply cannot give it up. The sound quality of the streaming audio exceeds my expectations, and having so many music sources to choose from is intoxicating. And the iPhone app is as good as the stand-alone Sonos controller (especially if you can dedicate an iPhone). The last time I was so excited about a new technology was 15 years ago with my first TiVo. Sonos is that good!

I have an aver with services but the user interface is horrible. I ended up with the Sonos and best thing I ever bought
post #218 of 947
I have read all the articles in the Sonos FAQ, but I still haven't found an acceptable way to embed album art into my album that I am importing using iTunes. There is an article describing a tedious manual method, which won't work well for my 500+ CD's. There is an article describing a scripted solution, but it clearly states that it won't work with iTunes 10, which is what I am using. And finally, there is a link to a 3rd-party app called TuneSleeve, which I downloaded, but can't seem to get to work properly.

Can anyone share a successful method of embedding album art (using a Windows PC)?
post #219 of 947
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I have read all the articles in the Sonos FAQ, but I still haven't found an acceptable way to embed album art into my album that I am importing using iTunes.
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Can anyone share a successful method of embedding album art (using a Windows PC)?

For files coming from iTunes I just add the art in iTunes and the Sonos finds it. Since iTunes can do that for you automatically I'm not sure what the issue is?
post #220 of 947
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Originally Posted by scientest View Post

For files coming from iTunes I just add the art in iTunes and the Sonos finds it. Since iTunes can do that for you automatically I'm not sure what the issue is?

I am talking about the CD's that I have ripped using iTunes. iTunes automatically downloads the artwork (see attachment 1). However, when you play the album in Sonos, the artwork is not displayed on the controller (see attachment 2) because it is not automatically imbedded into the metadata for each song on the album.

The Sonos FAQ has this manual method of adding the artwork: https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/s...i=&p_topview=1

I am looking for a more efficient method.
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post #221 of 947
Use mp3tag to extract and then upload the album art in songs. You can write simple "Actions" to first extract all existing album art from songs with name matching the album into a folder and then another Action to upload this into the song file. This will embed the art in the file and Sonos picks it up. The s/w is also very useful for batch update of tag info.
post #222 of 947
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Originally Posted by rishi76 View Post

Use mp3tag to extract and then upload the album art in songs. You can write simple "Actions" to first extract all existing album art from songs with name matching the album into a folder and then another Action to upload this into the song file. This will embed the art in the file and Sonos picks it up. The s/w is also very useful for batch update of tag info.

Thanks, I'll give this a try!
post #223 of 947
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I am talking about the CD's that I have ripped using iTunes. iTunes automatically downloads the artwork (see attachment 1). However, when you play the album in Sonos, the artwork is not displayed on the controller (see attachment 2) because it is not automatically imbedded into the metadata for each song on the album.

Ah, I see, I hadn't realized that. I started with iTunes long before they had a way to the automatic art retrieval and I've always just added the album art as I rip (some 900 CDs later...). That's stupid, why wouldn't they just add the art to the metadata?
post #224 of 947
assuming your album is in its own folder, you can always just add a folder.jpg with the proper artwork...
post #225 of 947
Good day gent's.
All I want to accomplish is to be able to play my music that is on my PC on my High end receiver. Will the ZP90 just plug (Cat5) into my router and then from the ZP toss-link into my receiver.. Also, if this will work, will I be able to use Pandora, through my PC...

**** My receiver doesn't have Cat5 or USB connections.

Thanks...
post #226 of 947
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Originally Posted by stratcat67 View Post

All I want to accomplish is to be able to play my music that is on my PC on my High end receiver. Will the ZP90 just plug (Cat5) into my router and then from the ZP toss-link into my receiver..

Yup, you got it. (Though it took me a moment to figure out you meant Toslink)...

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Originally Posted by stratcat67 View Post

Also, if this will work, will I be able to use Pandora, through my PC...

For Pandora, you will probably just want to set up the Sonos to use your Pandora account directly. To use Pandora from the PC you'd have to take a line-out from the PC sound card to the Sonos which would mean the Sonos, PC and amp would all have to be relatively close to each other...
post #227 of 947
Thanks Sci,
Out of all the "Streamers" out there, I believe the Sonos will do best for me. I just wanted to get a pro's view on it...

Bob in Nashville
post #228 of 947
Just moved into a wired house with ceiling speakers wired into every room (13 potential zones). The wires are all delivered into a media closet in the basement. The ethernet also enters the house in the media closet. My plan is to use 5 Sonos zonePlayers, each wired in parallel to 2 sets of speakers, to drive 10 sets of speakers.

So here are my questions:
1. Am I crazy to use Sonos in this type of setup? Is there a better solution?
2. If I use the Sonos solution, do I need to set up ZoneBridges around my house so that I can control the ZonePlayers in the basement? Or will my existing wireless network in the house allow me to control the ZonePlayers which will be hard wired to the ethernet? The Home Theater consultant told me I need zone bridges, but that seemed wrong to me since all the players are centralized.
post #229 of 947
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Originally Posted by SeattleSlew View Post

Just moved into a wired house with ceiling speakers wired into every room (13 potential zones). The wires are all delivered into a media closet in the basement. The ethernet also enters the house in the media closet. My plan is to use 5 Sonos zonePlayers, each wired in parallel to 2 sets of speakers, to drive 10 sets of speakers.

So here are my questions:
1. Am I crazy to use Sonos in this type of setup? Is there a better solution?
2. If I use the Sonos solution, do I need to set up ZoneBridges around my house so that I can control the ZonePlayers in the basement? Or will my existing wireless network in the house allow me to control the ZonePlayers which will be hard wired to the ethernet? The Home Theater consultant told me I need zone bridges, but that seemed wrong to me since all the players are centralized.


Sonos will work fine and you'll love it. If connecting 2 sets of speakers to a ZP120 then be sure they're rated at 8 ohms and remember that the volume will be the same for both sets of speakers unless you use a separate impedence matching volume control.

If all the ZP's will be in one location then you will probably want to add a couple zone bridges to increase the strength of the network. The new ipod dock for Sonos would fulfill this need also. With all the ZP's wired you only need the wifi aspect for the Sonos controllers to be able to talk to the ZP's.
post #230 of 947
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post

Sonos will work fine and you'll love it. If connecting 2 sets of speakers to a ZP120 then be sure they're rated at 8 ohms and remember that the volume will be the same for both sets of speakers unless you use a separate impedence matching volume control.

If all the ZP's will be in one location then you will probably want to add a couple zone bridges to increase the strength of the network. The new ipod dock for Sonos would fulfill this need also. With all the ZP's wired you only need the wifi aspect for the Sonos controllers to be able to talk to the ZP's.

Thanks for the input! It sounds like what you are saying is that the Sonos controller and/or iPad/iPhone uses the Sonos network to control the ZPs and not the existing home network.

The ZBs don't extend my existing wifi network, by any chance, do they?

Thanks again for the help.
post #231 of 947
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Originally Posted by SeattleSlew View Post

Just moved into a wired house with ceiling speakers wired into every room (13 potential zones). The wires are all delivered into a media closet in the basement. The ethernet also enters the house in the media closet. My plan is to use 5 Sonos zonePlayers, each wired in parallel to 2 sets of speakers, to drive 10 sets of speakers.

So here are my questions:
1. Am I crazy to use Sonos in this type of setup? Is there a better solution?
2. If I use the Sonos solution, do I need to set up ZoneBridges around my house so that I can control the ZonePlayers in the basement? Or will my existing wireless network in the house allow me to control the ZonePlayers which will be hard wired to the ethernet? The Home Theater consultant told me I need zone bridges, but that seemed wrong to me since all the players are centralized.

1 - Yes, as mentioned it will work just fine.
2 - Depends on what you intend to use for control. If Sonos controllers (CR200 or CR100), then I would think you would need a zonebridge (or, more depending upon how spread out the house is from player location). If you intend to use iphone/ipod touch, then you will just need to make sure that they are connected wirelessly to your network.
post #232 of 947
I love them too. Wish it could be integrated with other remote control systems though....

Still a great product. Pity the first CR200 touch panel developed issues. I have returned quite a few of them to Sonos so far.
post #233 of 947
Been a SONOS owner for a few months now and love it. I have a Sonos S5 in my kitchen and a ZP90 connected to my AVR in my bedroom (this is the hardwired zone player). I use my iPod Touch as the remote to control the two zones. My only issue is that the remote can only control the Sonos and nothing else. This is not a problem with the S5, but with the ZP90 it means I need to pull out a separate remote to turn on/off my AVR and set it to the correct input. Because of this I probably use the ZP90 a lot less then I would like because it is less convenient. I may eventually sell the ZP90 and replace with an S5.
post #234 of 947
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Originally Posted by rishi76 View Post

1 - Yes, as mentioned it will work just fine.
2 - Depends on what you intend to use for control. If Sonos controllers (CR200 or CR100), then I would think you would need a zonebridge (or, more depending upon how spread out the house is from player location). If you intend to use iphone/ipod touch, then you will just need to make sure that they are connected wirelessly to your network.

Thanks so much. I will let you know how it works.
post #235 of 947
has anyone compared the Sonos to the Squeezebox touch at all? these are the top two choices I'm considering right now.. I know that the sonos does not allow for 24 bit content currently, but I like the fact I don't need to install software to a computer to be able to stream off of an NAS if you get the controller or have an Ipod Touch. I'm willing to bet that the touch analog section is probably better but I decide to run through a DAC should the sound quality essentially be the same?
post #236 of 947
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Originally Posted by coolsax View Post

I'm willing to bet that the touch analog section is probably better but I decide to run through a DAC should the sound quality essentially be the same?

Why would you assume this? As the $300 price point I'd imagine the DAC and analog sections in both boxes are similar. Squeezebox has their Transporter for high end audio. I'm a Sonos user with an external DAC for my main listening zone. That would probably be the best practice for eithe device.
post #237 of 947
Hey Guys,

Having some issues with my new sonos system. I can't seem to modify any of the settings on the controller. I want to alphabetize the options on the menu as well as remove some things (like "More Music" or "Composer" or "Tracks") as I have no need and they are taking up space. Is there a way to do this?

Also, the only extra music services I see are LastFM (scrobble only), Wolfgang's Vault and Napster. Is there a way to add additional music services through a 3rd party plugins as sonos provided selection for my locale is very slim.

Thanks.
post #238 of 947
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Originally Posted by djgallaw View Post

Hey Guys,

Having some issues with my new sonos system. I can't seem to modify any of the settings on the controller. I want to alphabetize the options on the menu as well as remove some things (like "More Music" or "Composer" or "Tracks") as I have no need and they are taking up space. Is there a way to do this?

Also, the only extra music services I see are LastFM (scrobble only), Wolfgang's Vault and Napster. Is there a way to add additional music services through a 3rd party plugins as sonos provided selection for my locale is very slim.

Thanks.

Not sure where you're located, but check sonos.com for available streaming services in your part of the world.

As for changing the menus on the controller it can't be done.
post #239 of 947
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Originally Posted by jgiddyup View Post

Not sure where you're located, but check sonos.com for available streaming services in your part of the world.

As for changing the menus on the controller it can't be done.

Hey thanks for the reply. These are the only services available in my country from Sonos I guess. I didn't buy it for access to Spotify or Rhapsody as I knew they aren't officially available here, but I figured there would be some other services available like Slacker as an alternative.

That said is anyone having any success accessing Spotify or Rhapsody via a VPN? Reading about spotify with sonos it seems kind of fubared right now but maybe they will get it figured out.

I got the impression from forums.sonos.com that it is an open system so enhancements/third party are out there. I guess I assumed wrongly. I feel kind of dumb about this.

Thanks.
post #240 of 947
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

Why would you assume this? As the $300 price point I'd imagine the DAC and analog sections in both boxes are similar. Squeezebox has their Transporter for high end audio. I'm a Sonos user with an external DAC for my main listening zone. That would probably be the best practice for eithe device.

I'm a relatively new Sonos user, and am not clear about why some users are using external DAC's. I have the ZP90, and use the Toslink connection to my AVR. In this scenario, isn't the DAC in the AVR doing the conversion?

I'm sure I am not understanding something, because when I do an A/B comparison between a music CD played on my Oppo BDP-83 connected via HDMI, and the ZP90 streaming an Apple Lossless file of the same music CD, the sound coming from the Oppo sounds different, and (in my opinion) better.

What am I missing?
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