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post #571 of 939
I like the idea, and one my biggest complaints with the Play:5 is not enough low-end however, I think the price point kills it!

Edited: In saying the above, I am willing to pay a bit more for the polish of very nice products and the fact that they just work and the support is excellent as well, but at this price point I wonder how much appeal this will generate?
post #572 of 939
Yep--the price is what is getting everyone's attention. That is a big number, even if the product performs perfectly. Maybe they will reconsider the price down the road. Just hard to imagine they move a lot of these at $700 per.

If it were priced more along the lines of a connect or connect amp, they might get a more positive reaction.

Too bad. Noone is a bigger sonos fanboy than me, but this one seems like a miss at that price point.
post #573 of 939
Interesting. Sounds like the performance and flexibility of the SUB could attract some customers.

I'm not sure how Stereophile is viewed around here, so perhaps many of you will consider the below analysis more fluff than substance.

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Designed by an engineering team led by Chris Kallai, formerly of Velodyne, the Sonos SUB uses two class-D amplifiers and two force-cancelling speakers in a mirror-image array, intended to eliminate cabinet resonances and allow for easy, versatile placement, vertical or horizontal, anywhere in a room.

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The SUB seems like an obvious choice for listeners who already own Sonos systems, but what if you want to connect the SUB to another brand of loudspeaker? Sonos's engineers considered that, too. They've analyzed a number of other loudspeakers to create algorithms which will allow the SUB to mate properly with your system.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/s...-smart-and-fun
post #574 of 939
hi
post #575 of 939
Sorry about that...
heard sonos with a jolida glass fx-10 dac using rhapsody last week and thought it sounded great.
Has anyone else had good luck with external DAC's going through a high end amp? I've read reviews
of the Schiit Bifrost rating it very highly for a DAC less than the $500 range. All new to me...

any experience out there?

thanks,

jhv
post #576 of 939
which one is better ?
an amp such as an onkyo 818 with network features.
a quality amp without network features but with sonos connect. ( sony dh820 for example)

i want to listen internet radios, spotify pandora,last.fm etc...

but i want to learn if an amp comes with network features built in as onkyo is better or not ?

which one do i have to choose.
post #577 of 939
which one is better ? amp with built in network or Sonos?
sound quality wise they should be either equal, or so close you cant tell the difference...
what matters above all else, is the UI...
the Sonos has a good UI... and can use icrap/android as a controller...
I haven't looked at receivers with built in networking in a long time, but their UI used to be total crap... maybe they have gotten better?
how do you pick a song/station with the Receiver UI? do you need a TV turned on? having to turn on the TV every time you want to listen to music may not seem like a big deal... but it really does suck in practice... ended up where I just wouldn't bother to listen to music (back when I used a HTPC for everything / before I had Sonos...)

just don't underestimate the power of the UI... if the UI sucks, or is inconvenient to use, you wont use it... you will end up just not enjoying your setup...
post #578 of 939
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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

which one is better ? amp with built in network or Sonos?
sound quality wise they should be either equal, or so close you cant tell the difference...
what matters above all else, is the UI...
the Sonos has a good UI... and can use icrap/android as a controller...
I haven't looked at receivers with built in networking in a long time, but their UI used to be total crap... maybe they have gotten better?
how do you pick a song/station with the Receiver UI? do you need a TV turned on? having to turn on the TV every time you want to listen to music may not seem like a big deal... but it really does suck in practice... ended up where I just wouldn't bother to listen to music (back when I used a HTPC for everything / before I had Sonos...)
just don't underestimate the power of the UI... if the UI sucks, or is inconvenient to use, you wont use it... you will end up just not enjoying your setup...

Onkyo and Denon have awful interfaces.

Sonos offers a much better solution.
post #579 of 939
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

Onkyo and Denon have awful interfaces.
Sonos offers a much better solution.

I second this... Onkyo's interface is not very good... but you can get "oRemote" app... which helps a lot. I have a pre/pro (Integra 80.3) and Spotify sounds really good.

I was actually looking for a music server and I got recommendations that I should look at SONOS.

I was a bit hesitant because I wanted to get into FLAC hi res music... I think SONOS only supports 16bit/48KHz... But I really don't think you can hear much of a difference bet MP3 320Kbps and lossless audio ?

In any case, I wanted to check what I need to get SONOS going. Basically, I have my HT in living room and PC in another room. PC room i have cable modem and then I have a powerline adapter that I connect my HT.

I know I need the Connect (ZonePlayer 90) for my HT, but to access music from my PC... Do I need a bridge where my PC is at ?

At this time... I'm not doing multi rooms..

Thanks in advance..
post #580 of 939
Has anyone tried the "Synchro-Mesh" from Empirical Audio with Sonos ? If so, does it make any audible difference ?
post #581 of 939
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

But I really don't think you can hear much of a difference bet MP3 320Kbps and lossless audio ?
depends on your speakers really... I can only notice the difference between MP3 320Kbps and FLAC (standard CD rips... 16bit 44.1Khz I think? I forget...) in my main theater room with decent speakers placed in good locations...
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

In any case, I wanted to check what I need to get SONOS going. Basically, I have my HT in living room and PC in another room. PC room i have cable modem and then I have a powerline adapter that I connect my HT.
I know I need the Connect (ZonePlayer 90) for my HT, but to access music from my PC... Do I need a bridge where my PC is at ?
as long as you can plug the zp90 into the same network as the PC that has the music you are good to go...
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

At this time... I'm not doing multi rooms..
you really should... it is so much nicer...
post #582 of 939
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

Has anyone tried the "Synchro-Mesh" from Empirical Audio with Sonos ?
I am surprised people actually buy that stuff...
ohhh they used the "jitter" buzz word!!! OMG!!! it must be real then!!!!
(of course you must shut down your brain first, and ignore the fact that "jitter" is inaudible, well at least if your device isn't broken...)
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“Without Empirical reclocking we get a sound that’s comparatively dead behind the eyes. It walks like a zombie … It’s not just a nice-to-have addendum but a near must for serious furrowed-brow Squeezebox and Sonos owners.”

John Darko, 6-Moons, May 2012
ohh my...
I just don't know what to say...
Zombies!eek.gif
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

If so, does it make any audible difference ?
absolutely none at all...
while there may be some psychological effects going on, but nothing audible...
post #583 of 939
Somewhatlost... thanks for the info...

I have been thinking of setting up SONOS in my bedroom where I have an AVR... So, I suppose it would be nice to have a multi room setup smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

I am surprised people actually buy that stuff...
ohhh they used the "jitter" buzz word!!! OMG!!! it must be real then!!!!
(of course you must shut down your brain first, and ignore the fact that "jitter" is inaudible, well at least if your device isn't broken...)
ohh my...
I just don't know what to say...
Zombies!eek.gif
absolutely none at all...
while there may be some psychological effects going on, but nothing audible...

LOL, nice way to put this smile.gif

But re-thinking... I may just go ahead and try it out and see if it does make a difference... The most it will cost me is the return shipping smile.gif

I understand what you are saying about "psychological effects"... the effect that it must sound better just because either new equipment... etc.. I won't fall into that category smile.gif

I'm starting to get into music and initially wanted to get into FLAC music and wanted to avoid SONOS because it only does 16bit instead of 24bit... I was looking at music servers (ie OLIVE HD)... They are very nice and but very expensive... but the main reason is that these music servers don't have music application like Spotify...

One thing I don't like about SONOS is the ability to output video to my TV.... yes, yes, I can use IPad... but still nice to have video on TV.

I'm going to start this going and I'll get back and let you if I notice any differences...
post #584 of 939
Spike:
I use JRiver Media Center for critical listening on my main system, but use Sonos for whole-house audio throughout the rest of the house. JRiver plays back hi-rez and all of my lossless rips and has a nice UI for my plasma screen. It also has advanced digital room correction capabilities and other audiophile features but, truth be told, I generally bitstream from my HPTC to my Onkyo AVR via HDMI and let the AVR handle the D/A conversion.

If I'm wandering about the house, I'll use Sonos and control it with my iPad. My HT is a separate Sonos zone, so sometimes I'll have it playing Sonos along with other zones in the house. Ultimately, though, if I'm doing critical listening, I'll just use JRiver on my HTPC.
post #585 of 939
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

Spike:
I use JRiver Media Center for critical listening on my main system, but use Sonos for whole-house audio throughout the rest of the house. JRiver plays back hi-rez and all of my lossless rips and has a nice UI for my plasma screen. It also has advanced digital room correction capabilities and other audiophile features but, truth be told, I generally bitstream from my HPTC to my Onkyo AVR via HDMI and let the AVR handle the D/A conversion.
If I'm wandering about the house, I'll use Sonos and control it with my iPad. My HT is a separate Sonos zone, so sometimes I'll have it playing Sonos along with other zones in the house. Ultimately, though, if I'm doing critical listening, I'll just use JRiver on my HTPC.

I will check JRiver out and see how it looks...

I called a local dealer that I bought some of my audio equipment... and they recommended Autonomic MMS-2. I don't know why these music servers are so damn expensive.. but it appears what I want... music server and ability to play Spotify... Actually, I'll call another audio dealer (that I have dealt with) and see what other suggestions they may have..

I'll hold off on SONOS until I get more info on these...
post #586 of 939
I think I have seen those autonomic boxes somewhere before... or at least something like it...

anyway, I can't help but wonder if you can get the same thing by just getting something like This and adding some s/w to it... (JRiver would be a good choice, but hey, even winamp or media center could work)...

not sure how costs compare though... DiY would probably be under $500 for hardware+software worst case... not sure what the MM2 costs though.... and the DiY could probably do video too BR/DVD/etc... depending on hardware...
post #587 of 939
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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

I think I have seen those autonomic boxes somewhere before... or at least something like it...
anyway, I can't help but wonder if you can get the same thing by just getting something like This and adding some s/w to it... (JRiver would be a good choice, but hey, even winamp or media center could work)...
not sure how costs compare though... DiY would probably be under $500 for hardware+software worst case... not sure what the MM2 costs though.... and the DiY could probably do video too BR/DVD/etc... depending on hardware...

I haven't had a chance to look at JRiver, but Autonomic MMS-2 is 2k.

If I could do a DIY... would be better... but a must for me would be to be able to play Spotify & good IPad app.

In the end.. I think I'll end up with SONOS.. dunno... a bit confused right now smile.gif
post #588 of 939
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

Spike:
truth be told, I generally bitstream from my HPTC to my Onkyo AVR via HDMI and let the AVR handle the D/A conversion..

You know... I know I was looking at HTPC a couple of weeks ago... and I was planning on using Logitech diNovo Mini to control..., don't remember why I stopped looking at HTPC.... I think that I preferred IPad control... maybe I should recheck HTPC's again...
Edited by spike9876 - 7/23/12 at 8:01pm
post #589 of 939
well FWIW, although I have no direct knowledge of it, I have heard JRiver has an awesome ipad app/controller/thingy, alot of JRiver people were all happy about it at one point in time at least...
also, JRiver is pretty much a 'complete' package, audio video, etc...
but I still like,use Sonos... it may not be hi-res, but I have no high res music, so for me that point is somewhat pointless...
and really, I found that after getting Sonos, My music listening went way up, but >90% of that is in non-audio rooms, ie kitchen, unfinished basement, patio,shed,etc (ie all the multi-room parts were hi-res would be pointless anyway)
but I still rip all my CD's to FLAC just in case I want to listed to them in the theater room with decent speakers...
post #590 of 939
I have HTPCs but honestly it is not worth it to use for music unless you are already committed to having an HTPC for other duties, imo. I am happy with my Sonos (2 S5s and 1 Amp) I can't imagine going to a different solution for whole home music (I have used Logitech in the past)
post #591 of 939
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Originally Posted by Somewhatlost View Post

well FWIW, although I have no direct knowledge of it, I have heard JRiver has an awesome ipad app/controller/thingy, alot of JRiver people were all happy about it at one point in time at least...
also, JRiver is pretty much a 'complete' package, audio video, etc...
but I still like,use Sonos... it may not be hi-res, but I have no high res music, so for me that point is somewhat pointless...
and really, I found that after getting Sonos, My music listening went way up, but >90% of that is in non-audio rooms, ie kitchen, unfinished basement, patio,shed,etc (ie all the multi-room parts were hi-res would be pointless anyway)
but I still rip all my CD's to FLAC just in case I want to listed to them in the theater room with decent speakers...

JRiver has a nice iPad control app that I sometimes use, but I usually just default to my hard-button IR remote. JRiver, btw, will work with any IR remote. JRiver has a built-in DLNA music server and can accommodate multiple zones, so it can become a DIY solution for whole-house audio. That said, Sonos is an infinitely easier and more polished solution for whole-house audio. I still use JRiver, but only as a stand-alone music player for my HTPC in my theater, and only for critical listening sessions. With a 1.5 year old, such sessions are becoming increasingly rare!
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I have HTPCs but honestly it is not worth it to use for music unless you are already committed to having an HTPC for other duties, imo. I am happy with my Sonos (2 S5s and 1 Amp) I can't imagine going to a different solution for whole home music (I have used Logitech in the past)

Sonos has been a game-changer for me. For one, it has dramatically increased my music listening. Second, it has accommodated moving into two different homes, giving me near instaneous access to whole-house music without extensive wiring and planning.

For hard-core audiophiles, I've seen someone on Audiogon offering to upgrade a Sonos Connect to audiophile standards.

Ken
post #592 of 939
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Originally Posted by K-Wood View Post

For hard-core audiophiles, I've seen someone on Audiogon offering to upgrade a Sonos Connect to audiophile standards.
Ken
I think this may be same thing as if using Empiracal Audio Syncro-Mesh...

I have been very very frustrated because I can't decide between SONOS, music server & HTPC.

This morning... I was telling myself... I'm just gonna get SONOS and try it with Syncro-Mesh... but I really don't like that I can't see album work on my TV...

But, I need help with an important question... I read about ppl having DAC's... My pre/pro already has a DAC... Yesterday, I called a dealer and obviously he told me that the DAC included in my pre/pro was not good enough smile.gif

So the question is... Is my Integra's (80.3) DAC not good enough ? I know some music servers have good DAC's so that's not needed for these.. but if you have SONOS or a HTPC... Will there be a big difference in getting a DAC ? I probably shouldn't be asking these questions under SONOS thread smile.gif
post #593 of 939
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

I think this may be same thing as if using Empiracal Audio Syncro-Mesh...
it is... aka a very special snake oil used to help separate audiophiles from their money...
that little bit of extra lube usually does the trick...
extra bonus points if they use the words "jitter", "veils", "dielectric absorption" or "skin effect"
you also absolutely must use Audiophile quality AC outlets, otherwise you may not get the full benefit of the oil...
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

but I really don't like that I can't see album work on my TV...
I do not comprehend this... I went through a lot of effort to make sure I would never have to turn on my TV to listen to music....
I had a HTPC for a while, I found that having the TV on was a far greater distraction than anything else...
but if you want to have a TV, then I would suggest a HTPC... not only can you get cover art, but lyrics too... it is kind of cool... at least until it gets annoying...
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Originally Posted by spike9876 View Post

But, I need help with an important question... I read about ppl having DAC's... My pre/pro already has a DAC... Yesterday, I called a dealer and obviously he told me that the DAC included in my pre/pro was not good enough smile.gif
So the question is... Is my Integra's (80.3) DAC not good enough ? I know some music servers have good DAC's so that's not needed for these.. but if you have SONOS or a HTPC... Will there be a big difference in getting a DAC ? I probably shouldn't be asking these questions under SONOS thread smile.gif
nope, your integra's dac is just fine...
besides, if your integra does any processing at all, it probably digitizes the signal anyway, and then runs it through its dac when it is done anyway...
post #594 of 939
Today, I went to a local audio dealer... I went to audition for the autonomic MMS-2 but they weren't able to demo it...

They had SONOS, so I demoed it... but was unable to play Spotify so they played Pandora. Low quality... but I did compare SONOS with and without a DAC... I really couldn't hear the difference...

I'm just going to experiment... and buy from a retail store like best buy that there is no hassle in returning stuff...

First I'll start with SONOS and try it out... and start from there...

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions...

I'll get back after some time..
post #595 of 939
well, no matter what you end up going with, above all else, just remember 1 very important thing:
This is suppose to be fun.... so have fun with it...

and when you pick up a Sonos to play with, also pick up a zp120 (or play5, depending on what fits better) and toss it in some 'other' room that you tend to spend time in...
yes, it is true that it will not be in the same league as your main audio system, but I bet you end up liking it far more than you would of ever imagined...
post #596 of 939
Just wanted to post (kind of quiet here lately - guess everyone is enjoying their music!) that after being a longtime Sonos lurker/ wanna be, I now have 2 Play 5's with Airplay support. Amazing; great sound but more so in that the Sonos app can integrate my Pandora/Songz/MOG/local NAS library and be available on all of our Macs, iPhones and Kindles in a great interface. Very high WAF even compared to our existing Airplay/Remote setup - I see several more Connects/AMPs in my not too distant future. Cheers!
post #597 of 939
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Originally Posted by koicraft View Post

Just wanted to post (kind of quiet here lately - guess everyone is enjoying their music!) that after being a longtime Sonos lurker/ wanna be, I now have 2 Play 5's with Airplay support. Amazing; great sound but more so in that the Sonos app can integrate my Pandora/Songz/MOG/local NAS library and be available on all of our Macs, iPhones and Kindles in a great interface. Very high WAF even compared to our existing Airplay/Remote setup - I see several more Connects/AMPs in my not too distant future. Cheers!

koicraft,

I see you have also drank the Sonos "Kool-Aid"!
Welcome to the club. I joined about a year ago, and although I am a very casual (non-technical) user of 3-ZP90 units - I am loving it!
post #598 of 939
What does everyone think of the Sonos Connect/Amp as a high end amp?
post #599 of 939
I am thinking of setting up Sonos at my home & only thing holding me back is that I can't find a way to stream music from my android device to sonos. Anyone able to do this. If yes, please can you tell me how? I am talking about things like music of YouTube, etc

Thanks!
post #600 of 939
Best bet is probably line in via some device that accesses YT, etc.
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