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post #901 of 939
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Originally Posted by funhouse69 View Post

A Sub has to be "Bonded" with another player maybe in the future you will be able to set them up individually but that for most people wouldn't make sense as a Sub would normally be used with some other kind of player. Adding multiple subs would get away from the "Simple" set up that Sonos likes to promote. Of course some of us would love to have some more advance config options.
I am not sure how difficult adding a second sub would be if the software allowed it.
post #902 of 939
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Originally Posted by funhouse69 View Post

I'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish here. You want to set up a Home Theater System with an external Amp and connect a Sonos Connect to it? The reason I am asking is you said "picking up a Connect to power my HT System".

Assuming this is what you are looking for you can probably just get an SV Receiver of your choice or look at some of the stand alone amps from companies like Boston Acoustics, NAD, Polk or Marantz. They all have different price points so do some poking around.

Thanks to both of you for the responses, and my apologies for not being more clear. In my main viewing area, I have my existing 5.1 HT system, receiver and all. The first part of the equation is getting a Connect to couple to an input on my receiver so I can play music using the full 5.1 system. That part is set in stone, as I know this is what I want/need. My question pertains to a second listening area. I have a set of bookshelf speakers in mind for this area, but obviously I need something to provide them with power. My question is a) should I go with the Connect Amp to power the speakers or simply use a connect + an external amp; and b) if people recommend the latter, what are decent amps under 300/500 bucks?

Obviously, using the Connect Amp would be the simpler solution, but I've read that in some instances it isn't powerful enough to provide the desired auditory experience. I hope my question makes sense.
post #903 of 939
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Originally Posted by jch1 View Post

Thanks to both of you for the responses, and my apologies for not being more clear. In my main viewing area, I have my existing 5.1 HT system, receiver and all. The first part of the equation is getting a Connect to couple to an input on my receiver so I can play music using the full 5.1 system. That part is set in stone, as I know this is what I want/need. My question pertains to a second listening area. I have a set of bookshelf speakers in mind for this area, but obviously I need something to provide them with power. My question is a) should I go with the Connect Amp to power the speakers or simply use a connect + an external amp; and b) if people recommend the latter, what are decent amps under 300/500 bucks?

Obviously, using the Connect Amp would be the simpler solution, but I've read that in some instances it isn't powerful enough to provide the desired auditory experience. I hope my question makes sense.

That's roughly how I'm using my Connect. I have the digital out going to my 7.1 HT receiver and the analog out going to my Sonance 4x6 Whole Home Audio system as 1 of the 4 available sources.

My Sonance unit only provides 30 watts per channel and I am completely satisfied with the sound output. A nice pair of bookshelf speakers doesn't require much power. There are options out there to spend up to what you're after but one of the biggest recommendations seen over in the home a/v distribution forum here is this unit:

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1390578326&sr=1-1&keywords=audiosource+amp+two]

Cheap and designed as a distribution amp. I am not an owner of this product though, full disclosure.
post #904 of 939
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

That's roughly how I'm using my Connect. I have the digital out going to my 7.1 HT receiver and the analog out going to my Sonance 4x6 Whole Home Audio system as 1 of the 4 available sources.

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Hi SeldomSeen

Are both analog and optical out live at same time on Connect?
post #905 of 939
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Hi SeldomSeen

Are both analog and optical out live at same time on Connect?

Yes and happily enough are in sync. I don't notice any delay when the theater and the WHA system are both playing the Sonos source.
post #906 of 939
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Originally Posted by SeldomSeen31 View Post

Yes and happily enough are in sync. I don't notice any delay when the theater and the WHA system are both playing the Sonos source.

That's good to know. I assume you have your receiver set to stereo mode: I get terrible sync issues when I try to use multi-channel through AVR and hear kitchen at same time (2 open "doorways" between rooms)
post #907 of 939
Yep, I have it set to stereo direct sound on my Denon receiver. I can't say I've done extensive listening using both the AVR and the WHA at the same time to see if it is perfectly in sync. On New Year's Eve my kids and I had a "glow stick dance party" and I had the tunes cranked up in the basement theater as well as the 3 of the 4 zones on the WHA system (all except the back patio). It was the first time I had all on at the same time so I did a quick check and stood at the top of the stairs where I could hear both the family room speakers those in the theater and didn't notice anything wonky.

I suppose depending on the processing done in the AVR to decode the digital stream that some sync issue might be introduced.
post #908 of 939
Is there a way to live stream audio using Sonos? I.e., if I have my TV cable box hooked up to my computer, can I engage my Sonos speaker wirelessly for the audio?
post #909 of 939
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Originally Posted by RushM3 View Post

Is there a way to live stream audio using Sonos? I.e., if I have my TV cable box hooked up to my computer, can I engage my Sonos speaker wirelessly for the audio?

If you have a Sonos Connect, it has an analog input (RCA) that you can feed with whatever you like and it will stream that to other Sonos.

In the past I've connected my TV outputs to it. Currently I have an analog tuner connected to it as I'm loath to use Internet bandwidth for something I can get OTA.
post #910 of 939

I've been told that you can have multiple Sonos Devices connected to a wired connection that are in the same system. Has anyone done this? Back when I got my first player I was wired then added in the bridge and caused a broadcast storm that my network didn't appreciate. So my question is how can you connect more than one device to a wired network without the broadcast storm? Does anything special have to be done before connecting another device?

 

I am trying to isolate a problem with one of the players that just randomly stops playing every single morning when I try and play some music before going to sleep. The bridge is only feet away and no other player has any issues.

post #911 of 939
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Originally Posted by funhouse69 View Post

I've been told that you can have multiple Sonos Devices connected to a wired connection

I have 2 Sonos:Connects on my wired network.
post #912 of 939

Does it have something to do with the bridge? Can you have a Bridge as well as another player connected to the network? I just powered off my S5, plugged it in to a switch port, powered it on and 1 minute later my whole network was down due to a broadcast storm. As soon as I disconnected the S5 everything went back to normal.

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I have 12 players in a wired network and they all get along just fine.

Cheers,
post #914 of 939
Could be your router hasn't dropped the UP address and having conflicts.

Not sure what OP is really asking though. I have 2 Play5s wired and no issues.
post #915 of 939

There is lots of posts on the Sonos Website about the issue I am having, I have multiple switches in my network and you have to do some tweaks to Spanning Tree to make it work properly / avoid broadcast storms. Unfortunately Sonos uses an older implementation of it which I can't do in my network so I will have to see what is up with the Wireless that is causing drop outs.

post #916 of 939
'I am trying to isolate a problem with one of the players' - have you tried removing that player, it could be faulty!

Have you asked Sonos/your delaer to have a look at your system?

Joe
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can anyone speak to sonos as a squeezebox replacement for apple lossless streaming via itunes? squeezebox does this flawlessly, but as that platform is dead, i'm exploring new options in the future. my understanding that the sonos connect is able to stream ALAC via itunes. any experiences with this? how easy is it to set up and use? any limitations (particularly if you're used to squeezebox)?
post #918 of 939
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Originally Posted by talbain View Post

my understanding that the sonos connect is able to stream ALAC via itunes. any experiences with this? how easy is it to set up and use?

I wouldn't say it streams via iTunes. The Sonos app on the Mac/Windows can read the layout of the files stored in iTunes. Then it sends the files itself to the Sonos devices. At least that's how it seems to me.

If the app isn't running then some of my music files don't play. This despite my music folder being a network share.

Then Sonos cannot play the higher resolution formats. But I haven't found that to be much of a problem in practice.
post #919 of 939

For anyone that has a Sonos Playbar and realized the hard way (like me) that this very expensive soundbar does not support DTS apparently they have finally made a decision about the DTS Issue and it isn't one that people want to hear.

 

You can check out their official statement here.

 

https://ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/please_add_support_for_dts_for_the_sonos_playbar

 

They give the impression that if this is an issue that you can contact their customer support and possibly return the unit. I wonder if they will take back my sub and play 1's that I bought to make a complete Surround Set up?

 

I'd like to ask anyone that has a Playbar to contact Sonos Support and let them know that you are not happy with this decision at all.

 

The fact that they are saying this decision was based on the fact that TVs do not pass DTS is ridiculous as 99% of TVs don't pass anything more than PCM so for anyone to get more than "Simulated" Surround Sound you have to go a different route which most of us have done. The fact that they already support something (actual 5.1) that 99% of TV's do not pass invalidates their argument for not adding this feature.

post #920 of 939
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Originally Posted by funhouse69 View Post

For anyone that has a Sonos Playbar and realized the hard way (like me) that this very expensive soundbar does not support DTS apparently they have finally made a decision about the DTS Issue and it isn't one that people want to hear.

You can check out their official statement here.

https://ask.sonos.com/sonos/topics/please_add_support_for_dts_for_the_sonos_playbar

They give the impression that if this is an issue that you can contact their customer support and possibly return the unit. I wonder if they will take back my sub and play 1's that I bought to make a complete Surround Set up?

I'd like to ask anyone that has a Playbar to contact Sonos Support and let them know that you are not happy with this decision at all.

The fact that they are saying this decision was based on the fact that TVs do not pass DTS is ridiculous as 99% of TVs don't pass anything more than PCM so for anyone to get more than "Simulated" Surround Sound you have to go a different route which most of us have done. The fact that they already support something (actual 5.1) that 99% of TV's do not pass invalidates their argument for not adding this feature.


I'm an strong Sonos supporter and I agree 100%. Massive oversight to not include it from the start.
post #921 of 939
I suggest that everyone that owns any Sonos equipment email their support team and let them know how disappointed you are with this decision. I think it's crazy that a $700 soundbar, that doesn't come with a sub, doesn't support a common audio format. To advertise that their equipment is HiFi and they don't support the highest fidelity readily available format is inexcusable. The excuse of "most people use the playbar via a PCM signal" is laughable. If I were Sonos I would not be encouraging the use of a stereo signal because it sounds terrible compared to a DD signal. Off my box.
post #922 of 939
I would guess the the 'important' figure here is that for 99% of PLAYBAR owners the lack of DTS support is a non-issue so the finances of a DTS licence do not add up for SONOS vs. dealing with a few returned systems.

Joe
post #923 of 939
I think 99% is a little high. There is going to be a significant percentage of people that are spending $700 on a sound bar that have it hooked up directly to the source or a switch(to get a DD signal). Most DVD players have DTS support and wether the consumer knows what DTS support is or not it won't take them long to watch a movie that doesn't play on their playbar. Obviously they weighed their options and decided that it wasn't worth it. I think this will catch up to them and they will eventually have to support it.

How many soundbars north of $600 can you find that don't support DTS? I am guessing that their aren't many(currently being sold, not something that was sold 5 yrs ago).

Does anyone know what audio format AppleTV streams in?
post #924 of 939
Pretty easy question I hope. Just got two sonos connects and have my library among other services aligned at this point. Love it! The Fiance however is hoping we can add her music library which is on a separate PC than mine. In our prenuptial agreement, mixing of music libraries was expressly forbidden. This request was made from my side obviously and my lawyer saw the desperation in my eyes, knowing my musical tastes of Metal, Dubstep, and all things Hip-Hop; Hers being country, folk, and other garbage. All in joking, but I do really want to try to keep libraries separate when searching through the sonos player. When adding multiple libraries, do they stay segregated as I would hope? Or when selecting new music and playlists are they all intermingled?
post #925 of 939
I don't think this will violate the prenuptial agreement - in your Sonos Control App, Preferences > Advanced, Turn on "Show Windows Media Servers"

On her PC, share her library with a Windows Media Server ( See : http://www.sonos.com/support/help/3.3/en/Sonos_User_Guide/Chap07_new/Windows_Media_Player_11.htm )

This should avoid co-mingling her music files with yours. The Sonos will generate a "combined view" of all the music but won't actually mix it.
post #926 of 939
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Originally Posted by mjt5282 View Post

I don't think this will violate the prenuptial agreement - in your Sonos Control App, Preferences > Advanced, Turn on "Show Windows Media Servers"

On her PC, share her library with a Windows Media Server ( See : http://www.sonos.com/support/help/3.3/en/Sonos_User_Guide/Chap07_new/Windows_Media_Player_11.htm )

This should avoid co-mingling her music files with yours. The Sonos will generate a "combined view" of all the music but won't actually mix it.

Why not just have her PC share the folder with her music and add it the normal way? Since everything will be commingled anyway?
post #927 of 939
that's a good idea, too. Perhaps even better than my initial idea.... :-) Sonos can read and scan from multiple network shares. I host two different shares from my NAS.
post #928 of 939
Thanks! That is a good start, but are you still able to differentiate from the two libraries when selecting music in the sonos player? Like where I select a playlist, can I select " Wife's Library" and "My Library" separately? Or if you click on something like "All music" does it have both just all together?
post #929 of 939
Hello Sonos owners. I have a question about setting up Sonos Playbar, sub and a pair of Play :3 with a projector. I am considering the Epson 5030UBe which has wireless HDMI and a wireless transmitter which allows you to connect up to 5 HDMI inputs and also has an HDMI as well as optical audio output. If I connect my devices (STB, BluRay player, Apple TV) into this transmitter and output the audio to the Playbar, will that setup work? I should not need a receiver correct? Could I use the HDMI output to connect to my HDTV as well?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks
post #930 of 939
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Originally Posted by drjay71 View Post

Hello Sonos owners. I have a question about setting up Sonos Playbar, sub and a pair of Play :3 with a projector. I am considering the Epson 5030UBe which has wireless HDMI and a wireless transmitter which allows you to connect up to 5 HDMI inputs and also has an HDMI as well as optical audio output. If I connect my devices (STB, BluRay player, Apple TV) into this transmitter and output the audio to the Playbar, will that setup work? I should not need a receiver correct? Could I use the HDMI output to connect to my HDTV as well?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks


So the Wireless HDMI acts like a Switch correct? Assuming it does then yes this should work fine. The Playbar as you know only uses a single Optical Out so as long as the HDMI Switch passes the Optical Out from each of the HDMI Inputs when selected to the output you will be fine.
 Just remember that if you play a movie that has DTS you will either get nothing at all out of the Playbar or you will only get the surround / No Center Channel. Its strange and annoying but that is the way it is since Sonos Decided to not support DTS Officially I make it a point to make sure that everyone understands what they are getting themselves in to.

 

If you are lucky enough to have a Blu-Ray player that can convert your output like mine does you will be ok otherwise most Blu-Rays are DTS so keep that in mind!

 

Also just personal opinion, I tried the Play 3's as my surround speakers and ended up going with the Play 1's instead, not only are they cheaper but I find that they are more vibrant and since I have the sub almost all of the low end goes it it.

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