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post #11911 of 14978
Does anyone have any idea what would cause the player (55) to shut off and restart during the load screen of a movie ( Bedtime Stories). I checked in the thread for the movie and apparently some people are having problems with this title where as some arent, same player with same up to date F.W.. Checked the disk on a coworker's PS3 and it works fine. Any ideas out there?
post #11912 of 14978
My Harmony One runs my BD-55 just fine.
post #11913 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

Heres a quick question regarding the Logitech remotes (880) running 2 Pana DVD players.

I still have my RP82 for DVD-A purposes and recently picked up a BD55.....of course when I hit the button to "watch movies", both players turn on. I just manually turn off the RP82.

Any idea's on how to alleviate this situation or am I stuck?

You need to set one of the players to IR Code Set 2 or 3. The 55 can definitely do this... the other may. Once you configure the player and the OE remote for the new Code Set, you go into the Harmony software and use the "confirm IR commands" function for the device you changed. It will ask you to read some of the IR commands from the OE remote (now set for code set 2 or 3). Once it reads a few of the commands it will change all the codes in the database to match.

There is a downside to this... I know because I have had multiple Panasonic DVD and/or BD players/recorders for a while. The secondary code sets do not support discrete power, so whichever device you move to code set 2/3 you will need to either use the PowerToggle command or use pseudo discrete commands by using "Play" as a discrete PowerOn and use PowerToggle as the discrete PowerOff. You may also find a few other missing commands but they are easily learned from the OE remote. Another issue on the Harmony side is that it seams to be pot luck what device it loads for the alternate code set. I have seen several different command sets get loaded... some are closer than others as far as full coverage of your devices command set.

If both players support the secondary code sets, I suggest you switch whichever you use least and/or whichever has the fewest commands outside of the the standard transport controls. Hopefully they will be the same.

Hope that helps!
post #11914 of 14978
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Originally Posted by jmill79 View Post

Does anyone have any idea what would cause the player (55) to shut off and restart during the load screen of a movie ( Bedtime Stories). I checked in the thread for the movie and apparently some people are having problems with this title where as some arent, same player with same up to date F.W.. Checked the disk on a coworker's PS3 and it works fine. Any ideas out there?

I don't have any answers but my 55 did this with Doomsday Blu-Ray. The player just turned completely off. My reaction was "what the hell?!" I manually turned the player back on and everything worked fine for the rest of the movie.
post #11915 of 14978
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

The BD35 can be set to output to two types of tv: 4:3 (standard definition) and 16:9 (HDTV widescreen). Based on the owner's manual (page 32) it would appear that when you tell the 35 you are outputting to a 4:3 tv, it is defaulting to 480i or maybe 480p. 24 fps is only available with 1080p. Unless you can force the 35 to output 1080p in 4:3 mode, you will not get 24 fps.

Thanks for the info. I set up my BD35 for 4:3, and according to the information on my projector, it outputs 1080/60p (I'm also forcing 1080p in 4:3 mode in the BD35 setup menu). But, the BD35 will not do 24p unless the BD35 is setup for 16:9. I really can't tell that much of a difference between the 2 modes, so I'm just going to live with watching BD's in 60p.
post #11916 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

absolutely not true...I have the 55 and use a harmony 1100....

in the setup, add device, dvd, dvd player, panasonic, then DMP-BD55
(note, leave off the K)...

Thanks, WA. tried but just wondering why there are 16pages of commands when you choose the Additional Buttons tab under Settings->Customize Buttons?
Most of the commands are unnecessary eg VCR-related commands, AV Inputs, etc...
post #11917 of 14978
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Originally Posted by zorro18 View Post

Thanks, WA. tried but just wondering why there are 16pages of commands when you choose the Additional Buttons tab under Settings->Customize Buttons?
Most of the commands are unnecessary eg VCR-related commands, AV Inputs, etc...

you have a harmony remote...don't worry about device mode...setup, customize, use, and stay in activities. there, other than a few commands, only the ones you put on the LCD will show up there...

setup, activities, customize buttons for the activity in question
then, standard buttons = physical buttons on the remote
additional buttons = LCD of the activity

ultimately though, many times a new device, in this case it was likely the bd30 or bd50 get setup based on an existing device...perhaps a dvd/vcr combo...and the database doesn't always get cleaned up...however, as noted above, it doesn't matter about device mode, as the harmony remotes are meant to be used in activity mode....device mode is nothing more than a 'testing area' basically
post #11918 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

....device mode is nothing more than a 'testing area' basically

Yeah, right.
post #11919 of 14978
Has anyone verified that the BD35 converts SD DVDs to Rec. 709 when outputting 720p or 1080p?
post #11920 of 14978
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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

Has anyone verified that the BD35 converts SD DVDs to Rec. 709 when outputting 720p or 1080p?

Ummmm, what is "Rec. 709?"
post #11921 of 14978
Google knows.
post #11922 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

Google knows.

Well, since you have probably looked it up, feel free to answer the OPs question.
post #11923 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Wannabe Actuary View Post

device mode is nothing more than a 'testing area' basically

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Originally Posted by gakon View Post

Yeah, right.

Wannabe has it backwards. Activity mode is Wife mode. Device mode is Husband mode.
post #11924 of 14978
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Ummmm, what is "Rec. 709?"

Specifically, I'm concerned about the color space. SD DVDs use the color space defined in Rec. 601 and Blu-rays use the color space defined in Rec. 709. The display device does not know if a 720p or 1080i/p input is Blu-ray or an upconverted SD DVD, so it should assume the 709 color space. Likewise, if the display device receives 480i/p, it should assume the 601 color space. So, I am questioning whether or not it has been verified that the BD35 converts SD DVDs to the 709 color space when the BD35's output is set to 720p or 1080i/p.
post #11925 of 14978
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Originally Posted by jmill79 View Post

Does anyone have any idea what would cause the player (55) to shut off and restart during the load screen of a movie ( Bedtime Stories). I checked in the thread for the movie and apparently some people are having problems with this title where as some arent, same player with same up to date F.W.. Checked the disk on a coworker's PS3 and it works fine. Any ideas out there?

Do you have an SD card in your player? If so, try removing it and rebooting the player - see if you still have problems with the disc. Anything is worth a shot at this point.
post #11926 of 14978
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Originally Posted by bweissman View Post

Wannabe has it backwards. Activity mode is Wife mode. Device mode is Husband mode.

if that's the case for you, then you haven't properly customized your activities....

anything you frequently want/need can and should be placed on the activity LCD for easy access....that way you have the benefit of the activity handling all the power/input changes AND you have the commands you want/need at your disposal.

in 3.5 years of using harmony remotes (880, 890, One, 510, 1100 and soon to be the new beta test) I haven't needed device mode for more than 15 minutes of testing commands after setting up a new device for the first time...

FYI, my signature from the logitech forums shows my setup, so it's not exactly a simple setup, but it's not exactly complex either....

Samsung DLP HDTV (HL-R5067W), Scientific Atlanta HD DVR Cable Box (Explorer 8300HD), Panasonic BluRay Player (DMP-BD55), Onkyo Receiver (TX-SR806), XBox 360, Nintendo Wii, SlingCatcher....all with my Harmony 1100 with Wireless Extender

Samsung DLP HDTV (HLP-5063W), Scientific Atlanta HD DVR Cable Box (Explorer 8300HD), JVC DVD Player (XV-NP10), Sharp VCR (VC-A410), RCA Receiver (RT-2380BK)....all with my Harmony 890 with Wireless Extender
post #11927 of 14978
What is "soon to be the new beta test"? Is this a new remote coming from Harmony?
post #11928 of 14978
Is this the BD35/55 thread? What are we talking about here?
post #11929 of 14978
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Originally Posted by KeithHackney View Post

Is this the BD35/55 thread? What are we talking about here?

Yeah. I too am wondering.. So let's change the topic.

How is economy doing BTW, after 100 days?
post #11930 of 14978
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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

Specifically, I'm concerned about the color space. SD DVDs use the color space defined in Rec. 601 and Blu-rays use the color space defined in Rec. 709. The display device does not know if a 720p or 1080i/p input is Blu-ray or an upconverted SD DVD, so it should assume the 709 color space. Likewise, if the display device receives 480i/p, it should assume the 601 color space. So, I am questioning whether or not it has been verified that the BD35 converts SD DVDs to the 709 color space when the BD35's output is set to 720p or 1080i/p.

I have looked at both sides of this question on mine; here is what the tests indicate to me.

On the first half of the question, does the BD35 re-encode the content as YCbCr Rec709 when it upscales to the higher resolution? Yes, it uses the Rec709 matrix for re-encoding the content so that the TV, when it decodes it as HD, will receive the original RGB values correctly.

On the second half of the question, does the BD35 convert the original Rec601 RGB values into new color points, so that the correct Rec601 colors will be rendered, assuming the TV has been perfectly calibrated to Rec709? I don't think it does. Whether I measure the colors using a GetGray SD calibration disk, or the AVSHD calibration disk, I see the same values. But my methodology is not perfect, as I use the AVCHD version of the AVSHD disk, written to a standard DVD, which the BD-35 is supposed to treat identically to a blu-ray. Now if the BD-35 treats the AVCHD mostly like a blu-ray, but converts color values for both SD and AVCHD, then the experiment is flawed. If I had a blu-ray burner or a blu-ray calibration DVD, I would have a better test process.

In practice, it may not matter. Many recommend calibrating to the Rec709 colors all the time. They argue that, although there is a hue difference between the two specs around green, most people would not notice the difference while they are watching a film. In my case, as I am keeping a second DVD player around anyway for PAL DVDs, I calibrate the set to Rec709 for the BD-35 and to Rec601 for the SD player.
post #11931 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

I have looked at both sides of this question on mine; here is what the tests indicate to me.

On the first half of the question, does the BD35 re-encode the content as YCbCr Rec709 when it upscales to the higher resolution? Yes, it uses the Rec709 matrix for re-encoding the content so that the TV, when it decodes it as HD, will receive the original RGB values correctly.

On the second half of the question, does the BD35 convert the original Rec601 RGB values into new color points, so that the correct Rec601 colors will be rendered, assuming the TV has been perfectly calibrated to Rec709? I don't think it does. Whether I measure the colors using a GetGray SD calibration disk, or the AVSHD calibration disk, I see the same values. But my methodology is not perfect, as I use the AVCHD version of the AVSHD disk, written to a standard DVD, which the BD-35 is supposed to treat identically to a blu-ray. Now if the BD-35 treats the AVCHD mostly like a blu-ray, but converts color values for both SD and AVCHD, then the experiment is flawed. If I had a blu-ray burner or a blu-ray calibration DVD, I would have a better test process.

In practice, it may not matter. Many recommend calibrating to the Rec709 colors all the time. Although there is a hue difference between the two specs around green, most people would not notice the difference while they are watching a film. In my case, as I am keeping a second DVD player around anyway for PAL DVDs, I calibrate the set to Rec709 for the BD-35 and to Rec601 for the SD player.

I have calibrated my projector to Rec709 and Blu-rays look correct, however SD DVDs don't always look right unless I switch the output of the BD35 to 480p. It's a pain to switch back and forth, especially if you realize partially into a Blu-ray that you're in 480p mode, then you have to stop, go through the setup menu, and start the long process getting to the movie and where you were. It could be my imagination, but I swear that SD DVDs look significantly better color wise in 480p versus 720p (my PJ is 720p native).
post #11932 of 14978
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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

Specifically, I'm concerned about the color space. SD DVDs use the color space defined in Rec. 601 and Blu-rays use the color space defined in Rec. 709. The display device does not know if a 720p or 1080i/p input is Blu-ray or an upconverted SD DVD, so it should assume the 709 color space. Likewise, if the display device receives 480i/p, it should assume the 601 color space. So, I am questioning whether or not it has been verified that the BD35 converts SD DVDs to the 709 color space when the BD35's output is set to 720p or 1080i/p.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

I have looked at both sides of this question on mine; here is what the tests indicate to me.

On the first half of the question, does the BD35 re-encode the content as YCbCr Rec709 when it upscales to the higher resolution? Yes, it uses the Rec709 matrix for re-encoding the content so that the TV, when it decodes it as HD, will receive the original RGB values correctly.

On the second half of the question, does the BD35 convert the original Rec601 RGB values into new color points, so that the correct Rec601 colors will be rendered, assuming the TV has been perfectly calibrated to Rec709? I don't think it does. Whether I measure the colors using a GetGray SD calibration disk, or the AVSHD calibration disk, I see the same values. But my methodology is not perfect, as I use the AVCHD version of the AVSHD disk, written to a standard DVD, which the BD-35 is supposed to treat identically to a blu-ray. Now if the BD-35 treats the AVCHD mostly like a blu-ray, but converts color values for both SD and AVCHD, then the experiment is flawed. If I had a blu-ray burner or a blu-ray calibration DVD, I would have a better test process.

In practice, it may not matter. Many recommend calibrating to the Rec709 colors all the time. They argue that, although there is a hue difference between the two specs around green, most people would not notice the difference while they are watching a film. In my case, as I am keeping a second DVD player around anyway for PAL DVDs, I calibrate the set to Rec709 for the BD-35 and to Rec601 for the SD player.

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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

I have calibrated my projector to Rec709 and Blu-rays look correct, however SD DVDs don't always look right unless I switch the output of the BD35 to 480p. It's a pain to switch back and forth, especially if you realize partially into a Blu-ray that you're in 480p mode, then you have to stop, go through the setup menu, and start the long process getting to the movie and where you were. It could be my imagination, but I swear that SD DVDs look significantly better color wise in 480p versus 720p (my PJ is 720p native).

Interesting.

Since I set up my 40" Sony LCD tv using DVEs Blu-Ray calibration disc, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Both SD DVD and BD (both at 1080p/24)look great to me.
post #11933 of 14978
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Originally Posted by IndianaGeorge View Post

I have calibrated my projector to Rec709 and Blu-rays look correct, however SD DVDs don't always look right unless I switch the output of the BD35 to 480p. It's a pain to switch back and forth, especially if you realize partially into a Blu-ray that you're in 480p mode, then you have to stop, go through the setup menu, and start the long process getting to the movie and where you were. It could be my imagination, but I swear that SD DVDs look significantly better color wise in 480p versus 720p (my PJ is 720p native).

In discussing and reading about this subject in other threads, I have seen descriptions of sets that maintain separate calibrations based on resolution, e.g., a calibration for 480 and a calibration for 720. Does this apply to your projector? Even when one finds that the color gamut is being changed somewhere in the chain, there remains the question whether it is the set or the player that is doing the work. Clearly if your projector is keeping two calibrations, or if your projector is adjusting based on the resolution, then you could indeed be seeing more realistic colors in 480 than in 720 for SD DVDs.
post #11934 of 14978
OK, I know I've done this before because I loaded 1.6 on my 35 through a burned disc that I created a few(?) months back.

I'm following the directions that Panny gives in the PDF, but When I try to use the XP burner I "right click" then "send to" and the window CANNOT find my E: drive (burning drive). I do have a disc in the drive but I'm at a loss. I've done this before but can't now.

Can I just right click "copy" and "paste" or do I need to use another software to burn it.

When It's burned is it still an .FRM file?
post #11935 of 14978
Well I just burned it as a DATA disc using Roxio. I don't have Nero and XP was not allowing me to send it to my DVD-RW drive.

Crossing me fingers that it will work.
post #11936 of 14978
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Originally Posted by Highside View Post

OK, I know I've done this before because I loaded 1.6 on my 35 through a burned disc that I created a few(?) months back.

I'm following the directions that Panny gives in the PDF, but When I try to use the XP burner I "right click" then "send to" and the window CANNOT find my E: drive (burning drive). I do have a disc in the drive but I'm at a loss. I've done this before but can't now.

Can I just right click "copy" and "paste" or do I need to use another software to burn it.

When It's burned is it still an .FRM file?

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Originally Posted by Highside View Post

Well I just burned it as a DATA disc using Roxio. I don't have Nero and XP was not allowing me to send it to my DVD-RW drive.

Crossing me fingers that it will work.

I had the same problems with the XP burner - it would not recognize my DVD burner.

Roxio never worked for me either, so I dumped it and got Nero 7. Works like a charm now with no issues at all.
post #11937 of 14978
Hello: Our Panasonic DMP-BD35 seemed fine but now when we turn it on we get error code F99. We tried several things but nothing works. We can't get the machine to do anything including open the disc tray or anything. Forgive me if this has been posted but I did a search and could not find anything on error code F99. Can someone help us. We paid full price for this when it first came out and have only used it three times so what is going on. Thanks very much.

Sharon
post #11938 of 14978
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Interesting.

Since I set up my 40" Sony LCD tv using DVEs Blu-Ray calibration disc, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Both SD DVD and BD (both at 1080p/24)look great to me.

Perhaps I should have said "noticeably better to me" instead of "sigificantly better", but the color accuracy does seem to be better when I feed my PJ 480p when viewing SD DVDs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mitchell View Post

In discussing and reading about this subject in other threads, I have seen descriptions of sets that maintain separate calibrations based on resolution, e.g., a calibration for 480 and a calibration for 720. Does this apply to your projector? Even when one finds that the color gamut is being changed somewhere in the chain, there remains the question whether it is the set or the player that is doing the work. Clearly if your projector is keeping two calibrations, or if your projector is adjusting based on the resolution, then you could indeed be seeing more realistic colors in 480 than in 720 for SD DVDs.

My PJ is a Sanyo PLV-Z4 and it does not seem to store different settings per resolution, but I too have read that some PJs do indeed do that. In fact, when I calibrated it (using an eye-one display LT and HCFR) I still was using a Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD player feeding the PJ 1080i because the A2 did not do 720p quite right. HDMI was used then and now. SD DVDs looked great when played from the A2 and I believe it was noted in the A2 threads on the HD DVD forum that the Toshiba HD DVD players did the color space conversion properly for SD DVDs. I have not checked the calibration since I switched to the BD35, but like I said before, I have no complaints with colors from Blu-ray.
post #11939 of 14978
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

Yeah. I too am wondering.. So let's change the topic.

How is economy doing BTW, after 100 days?

Better! Thanks for asking! And how 'bout those Harmony remotes?
post #11940 of 14978
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Originally Posted by dahlia View Post

Hello: Our Panasonic DMP-BD35 seemed fine but now when we turn it on we get error code F99. We tried several things but nothing works. We can't get the machine to do anything including open the disc tray or anything. Forgive me if this has been posted but I did a search and could not find anything on error code F99. Can someone help us. We paid full price for this when it first came out and have only used it three times so what is going on. Thanks very much.

Sharon

Did you follow the instructions at the top of page 37 in the owner's manual for F99?

Did you try a reset as described on page 38 of the owner's manual?

If you did each of those, what was the players response?
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