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post #4471 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Chris,

Can you please clarify the above "fine at all times" statement for a 5.1 system configuration.

i.e. There will be no limitation? In other words - any 96KHz soundtracks will NOT be converted to 48Khz?

Thanks & Appreciation,

Paul

OK, I knew I was going to get in trouble with that one.

By "fine at all times" I meant fine at all times *UNLESS* you are listening to one of the ten Blu-ray Discs in existence *WITH* a 96KHz soundtrack *AND* that specific disc includes menu clicking sounds *OR* that specific disc has a BonusView Commentary Track *WHICH* you have specifically enabled on the disc menu *THEN* the 96 KHz audio track *WILL* be down-converted to 48 KHz *SO THAT* the player can mix in the menu clicking sounds *OR* Secondary Audio *FROM* the BonusView commentary track in *WITH* the main audio mix for output over HDMI.

So yeah, technically, the possibility exists that a 96KHz track could be down-converted to 48KHz if you leave SECONDARY AUDIO = ON but I am not even sure if what I described above even exists in the wild e.g., if any of the ten 96KHz titles that exist on Blu-ray even have menu clicks or secondary audio bonus features.

-CB
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post #4472 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by jimf233 View Post

Try turning off the HDMI audio in the BD35"s setup menu. Sometimes when the HDMI hand shake between the DVD player TV tells the player that the receiving unit, the TV, has only stereo capability, it turns of decoding of the multichannel sound and send only stereo information. I have this problem on my DVR/cable box. If I connect to the TV with HDMI it won't send 5:1 sound to my receiver via the optical cable.

"Try turning off the HDMI audio in the BD35"s setup menu. Sometimes when the HDMI hand shake between the DVD player TV tells the player that the receiving unit, the TV, has only stereo capability, it turns of decoding of the multichannel sound and send only stereo information. I have this problem on my DVR/cable box. If I connect to the TV with HDMI it won't send 5:1 sound to my receiver via the optical cable."

I have my cable box hooked up directly to my Pioneer 5020 thru HDMI and I am running optical thru my RXV2095 reciever and I have the BD55 connected directly to the tv also by HDMI. Your saying that you don't get 5.1 from your cable box this way? My receiver displays the DD or DTS notification if it receives the signal in this format. I have watched plenty of HD and some SD tv and it seems to be passing 5.1 thru my receiver using optical. I have the HDMI audio set to off in the Panny BD55. Am I correct in this or is there another way to run the audio from my HD cable box.

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post #4473 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by g-dog View Post

I have my cable box hooked up directly to my Pioneer 5020 thru HDMI and I am running optical thru my RXV2095 reciever and I have the BD55 connected directly to the tv also by HDMI. Your saying that you don't get 5.1 from your cable box this way? My receiver displays the DD or DTS notification if it receives the signal in this format. I have watched plenty of HD and some SD tv and it seems to be passing 5.1 thru my receiver using optical. I have the HDMI audio set to off in the Panny BD55. Am I correct in this or is there another way to run the audio from my HD cable box.

Thanks

You're doing it fine. You could use the analogs on the 55 to your receiver to get lossless audio (if you're not already), but if you only want DD and DTS, you're good to go (with cable box and 55)
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post #4474 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by SlaughterX View Post

Thanks for the info earlier Boylan, I think I am going to go with this over the Sammy.



Amazon has a promo where you get $100 if you buy 4 movies. The selection is pretyt weak, however you can get a few cheap movies and still knock off around $20 of the price and stillg et 4 movies for free. With this promo it comes up to around $202 shipped for me.

Thanks!
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post #4475 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

There's a whole thread for blu ray player deals. Price/deal discussions are not to be posted here.

Thanks Stew4msu! I will look for that thread.
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post #4476 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by slider33 View Post

I don't really see option 1 being an issue as long as the smaller rear speakers can handle it

There's lots of LFE and bass stuff that will tax even the most robust surround speakers. I want to find a way to route that info to the L & R speakers with the powered subs.
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post #4477 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:36pm
BTW, does anyone else find it strange that instead of routing LFE to the speakers set to large, that the player sends the signal to all of the other speakers equally? (That's assuming what the Panny rep told me today on the phone was correct.) How hard would it be to re-route the LFE to the L & R speakers?

Maybe a firmware fix is in order.
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post #4478 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by kezug View Post

Thanks Stew4msu! I will look for that thread.

HERE YOU GO
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post #4479 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:55pm
Pardon me for being so dense but I still can't understand whether I should set the bd35 for bitstream or PCM. I will hook it to my Onkyo 875 with hdmi cable and as best as I can read which one I do determines the kind of audio available to me. What I don't understand is why I want one type of audio or the other. Any simple English explanation will be welcomed.
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post #4480 of 14894
12/3/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Kirk View Post

BTW, does anyone else find it strange that instead of routing LFE to the speakers set to large, that the player sends the signal to all of the other speakers equally? (That's assuming what the Panny rep told me today on the phone was correct.) How hard would it be to re-route the LFE to the L & R speakers?

Maybe a firmware fix is in order.

Yes, it's odd.

Only thing you could do is run a crossover, and send anything below say 150hz to the fronts. I don't know if this would any cheaper than buying a sub.
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post #4481 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

You're doing it fine. You could use the analogs on the 55 to your receiver to get lossless audio (if you're not already), but if you only want DD and DTS, you're good to go (with cable box and 55)

Thanks Stew...I was hoping I had it right. I am going to stick with optical audio for now but I am planning to upgrade my receiver soon to a HDMI compatible one. I just watched WANTED last night on Blue-Ray and the DTSHD audio was incredible thru my RXV2095. This disc is loaded with ALL kind of features...BD live etc...
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post #4482 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Dirtold View Post

Pardon me for being so dense but I still can't understand whether I should set the bd35 for bitstream or PCM. I will hook it to my Onkyo 875 with hdmi cable and as best as I can read which one I do determines the kind of audio available to me. What I don't understand is why I want one type of audio or the other. Any simple English explanation will be welcomed.

If your receiver can decode the newer audio codecs (Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master) then you can bitstream to the receiver for the receiver to decode. If your receiver cannot decode them, set it to PCM in which case the player will decode them.
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post #4483 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by Dirtold View Post

Pardon me for being so dense but I still can't understand whether I should set the bd35 for bitstream or PCM. I will hook it to my Onkyo 875 with hdmi cable and as best as I can read which one I do determines the kind of audio available to me. What I don't understand is why I want one type of audio or the other. Any simple English explanation will be welcomed.

PCM is for the BD player to decode the lossless audio codecs
Bitstream is for the Receiver to decode the lossless audio codecs
Since both your player and receiver are capable of decoding (handling) the lossless audio codecs, it makes no real difference whether you choose PCM or Bitstream.
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post #4484 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:05pm
Help!! I posted yesterday about getting "no input" and blank screen through my Onkyo SR605. I did my best to read this thread carefully, and follow the advice given, but still can't get off the blank screen. I'm hoping some kind soul can help me out as I am not ultra literate with this stuff. I'll try to be as detailed about what I tried, and what my setup looks like.

Here's my setup that is not working ("no input", blank screen):

BD35 > HDMI > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

When I go back to my old HD-DVD player, it works fine:

Toshiba A2 > HDMI > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

This leads me to believe the HDMI cables are good. My next experiment was to use the yellow RCA cable with the BD35, and that worked fine too (although crappy picture):

BD35 > RCA cable > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

This leads me to believe that the BD35 itself is operating normally. Next, I tried bypassing the Onkyo completely, and that worked fine too!

BD35 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

For those of you who are about to suggest I leave it like this - my TV only has 1 DVI input, so I'd rather run it through the Onkyo (which is why I bought the Onkyo). So, it appears that the BD35 is working properly, but doesn't like it when I try to send the picture through the SR605!! Not sure if this is a "handshake" thing or what, I'm not knowledgeable enough to say (or how to fix, if this is the problem).

Here's the things I read on this thread and tried:

- Updated firmware to 1.5, check.
- Reset factory settings, check.
- HDMI set to "on", check.
- Tested HDMI cables (per above), check.
- Turned 24p off, check (in fact it is greyed out, cannot select it).
- Powered all systems off, then back on, check.

Hoping someone can have pity on me and help me diagnose the problem, thanks!! (Or, other SR605 owners chime in - I did read at least one other poster saying they were getting a blank screen through their SR605). Thanks to all in advance for any advice!!
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post #4485 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:07pm
I just watched two different dvd's and i was amazed at the quality. One was Eric Clapton Crossroads and another was a Three Dog Night concert in TN. Crossroads was in wide screen and Three Dog Night wasn't and i went into the menu and filled the screen.

I really do not have any other dvd players to compare the Bd35 to for standard dvd's but i was really amazed at what i saw and heard. Very nice. For people wondering about up conversion, it looks very nice to me.
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post #4486 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

Help!! I posted yesterday about getting "no input" and blank screen through my Onkyo SR605. !

Are you using the exact same HDMI input in the receiver as you were with the HD DVD player during your test?
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post #4487 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:11pm
"Are you using the exact same HDMI input in the receiver as you were with the HD DVD player during your test?"

Yes. Same HDMI input, same HDMI cable.
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post #4488 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Chris_Fig View Post

Lads,

I am looking for a DVD player that will output 1080/24p through HDMI while simultaneously outputting standard resolution via the s-video/composite jack.

An AVS member posted in my thread about this that his BD55K does exactly what I need.

I was wondering if the BD35 will do it too.

Thanks.

Could any BD35 owner test the player and see if it will do the above. I'd greatly appreciate it. Haven't bought it online since, if it doesn't do the above it'd be useless for me, and I'd have to pay shipping/re-stocking.

I don't care about video quality on the s-video/composite out, all i need is for it to output colors, to plug it into this: http://arfx.nl/

while the HDMI out remains at 1080/24p simultaneously.
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post #4489 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

Help!! I posted yesterday about getting "no input" and blank screen through my Onkyo SR605. I did my best to read this thread carefully, and follow the advice given, but still can't get off the blank screen. I'm hoping some kind soul can help me out as I am not ultra literate with this stuff. I'll try to be as detailed about what I tried, and what my setup looks like.

Here's my setup that is not working ("no input", blank screen):

BD35 > HDMI > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

When I go back to my old HD-DVD player, it works fine:

Toshiba A2 > HDMI > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

This leads me to believe the HDMI cables are good. My next experiment was to use the yellow RCA cable with the BD35, and that worked fine too (although crappy picture):

BD35 > RCA cable > Onkyo SR605 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

This leads me to believe that the BD35 itself is operating normally. Next, I tried bypassing the Onkyo completely, and that worked fine too!

BD35 > HDMI to DVI > Panny TH50

For those of you who are about to suggest I leave it like this - my TV only has 1 DVI input, so I'd rather run it through the Onkyo (which is why I bought the Onkyo). So, it appears that the BD35 is working properly, but doesn't like it when I try to send the picture through the SR605!! Not sure if this is a "handshake" thing or what, I'm not knowledgeable enough to say (or how to fix, if this is the problem).

Here's the things I read on this thread and tried:

- Updated firmware to 1.5, check.
- Reset factory settings, check.
- HDMI set to "on", check.
- Tested HDMI cables (per above), check.
- Turned 24p off, check (in fact it is greyed out, cannot select it).
- Powered all systems off, then back on, check.

Hoping someone can have pity on me and help me diagnose the problem, thanks!! (Or, other SR605 owners chime in - I did read at least one other poster saying they were getting a blank screen through their SR605). Thanks to all in advance for any advice!!

The only thing I can think of is if your TV is NOT 1080p and your video output with the BD player is set to 1080p that will cause a blank screen.
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post #4490 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:35pm
"The only thing I can think of is if your TV is NOT 1080p and your video output with the BD player is set to 1080p that will cause a blank screen."

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes my TV is 720p. But on my BD35 the "HDMI Resolution" is set to "Auto" and greyed out - I can't change it through Setup! Any other suggestions? I read some posts about the HDMI cable - could it be I need to buy better a better HDMI cable? Desperate and frustrated here, keep the suggestions coming guys and gals!!
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post #4491 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

"The only thing I can think of is if your TV is NOT 1080p and your video output with the BD player is set to 1080p that will cause a blank screen."

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes my TV is 720p. But on my BD35 the "HDMI Resolution" is set to "Auto" and greyed out - I can't change it through Setup! Any other suggestions? I read some posts about the HDMI cable - could it be I need to buy better a better HDMI cable? Desperate and frustrated here, keep the suggestions coming guys and gals!!

Last resort, disconnect HDMI and connect with composite, then make the needed settings.
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post #4492 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:42pm
"Last resort, disconnect HDMI and connect with composite, then make the needed settings."

Thanks for the suggestion. Even with the HDMI disconnected, and connected with RCA, the "HDMI Resolution" is still greyed out.
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post #4493 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

"Last resort, disconnect HDMI and connect with composite, then make the needed settings."

Thanks for the suggestion. Even with the HDMI disconnected, and connected with RCA, the "HDMI Resolution" is still greyed out.

If the HDMI resolution is grayed out, maybe you have the HDMI video output set to Off.

Under TV/Device connection, go into HDMI Video Mode
and make sure it is set to On.
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post #4494 of 14894
12/3/08 at 3:59pm
HDMI is definitely set to "On" (many posters said this so I quadruple checked it).
"HDMI Resolution" is set to "Auto" and is greyed out.
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post #4495 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Dirtold View Post

Pardon me for being so dense but I still can't understand whether I should set the bd35 for bitstream or PCM. I will hook it to my Onkyo 875 with hdmi cable and as best as I can read which one I do determines the kind of audio available to me. What I don't understand is why I want one type of audio or the other. Any simple English explanation will be welcomed.

If you set it to bitstream, the receiver will decode the movie soundtrack. You will not get secondary audio because that is not part of the movie bitstream. No menu clicks or PIP commentary audio.

If you set it to PCM, the player will decode the movie soundtrack and send PCM. Because the the track has been decoded, it can be mixed with other sounds before being sent to you receiver.

The quality of the movie soundtrack should be the same either way. The reason to choose over over the other is secondary audio.
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post #4496 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

Honestly, I think that at these miniscule voltages, it would be fine - we're not talking about combining higher voltage speaker outputs or even headphone amp'ed voltage levels.

*BUT* I don't claim to be an electrical engineer so dropping the voltage with a resistor probably isn't a bad idea. Actually I think some of these Y-adapters (even the cheap ones) that are made specifically to sum to mono have tiny resistors built into the adapter.

It probably wouldn't hurt to describe to the rocket scientist behind the counter at Radio Shack exactly what you're trying to do. That way if your amplifier explodes you'll have someone to point a finger at (other than me).

-CB

I am an electrical engineer. While I'm not an analog expert, the fact that the voltages are small does not mean you won't damage the output stage. A small signal incorrectly connected could easily damage the circuitry (it probably won't cause a fire or blow a fuse, though). It might take time (after all, people hook up outputs to outputs by accident all the time and these things better not be damaged too easily), connecting two outputs together long term is a bad idea.

If someone wants to try it, go right ahead. But don't be surprised if you end up having to bitstream your audio (I really don't mean to be alarmist, I just have seen what can happen to circuitry, even with small voltage levels, when outputs are connected to outputs).
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post #4497 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

HDMI is definitely set to "On" (many posters said this so I quadruple checked it).
"HDMI Resolution" is set to "Auto" and is greyed out.

Sorry, didn't check back far enough to see if that had been suggested. But I can't understand why your HDMI resolution is grayed out. I access mine through an RCA cable connection to set it back down to 1080i if I forget to have my TV and Onkyo 605 powered up before I turn on the player, and it resets itself to "Auto", 1080p which my TV can't handle. I've never seen it when you can't change resolutions.
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post #4498 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:17pm
No prob Cochise - at this point I am gratefully accepting and trying all suggestions!
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post #4499 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

HDMI is definitely set to "On" (many posters said this so I quadruple checked it).
"HDMI Resolution" is set to "Auto" and is greyed out.

Hmm...what if you connect with composite and set HDMI to "off"? Any strange chance that that might change the HDMI resolution tab??? Of course as I'm typing this I realize that if HDMI is off than why would any other HDMI options (like Resolution) be active.
Doesn't sound to me like my suggestion will do anything, but you never know...

I don't know what Panny customer service is like, but you may have to call them...
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post #4500 of 14894
12/3/08 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by MichiganMan1 View Post

No prob Cochise - at this point I am gratefully accepting and trying all suggestions!

You might try restore to factory defaults, under Others in the menu, and see if you're able to access the resolution settings - I think that's your problem, it's set to 1080p output and your TV can't take that input.
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