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ATI 4550 HDMI Sound Issues

post #1 of 15
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Ok so here is what I am trying to do (maybe i just can't do this)...

My motherboard has two PCI-E 16x slots, I currently have a 8800GTS 512MB as my video card and I due to limitations with surround sound from PC Games and SPIDF Optical I have purchases a ATI 4550 for my second PCI-E 16x slot just to perform HDMI sound to my receiver...

I only had an hour after the packaged arrived to try to get this setup working (I'm not at work unfortunately) and I feel I may have rushed a few steps and have done things in the wrong order but I will explain what I have done and in what order I have done this...

First off I installed the card in the second slot, booted up Vista 64bit, then checked the Device Manager and the device was there. In the Control Panel under Sound Windows had picked up an HDMI device.

2. I installed the drivers for the Realtek audio, version 2.06 and then Rebooted.

3. Everything checked out great in the Device Manager (minus the VGA adapter since I didn't install the Catalyst drivers since I don't want to use this card for video).

4. Under the Control Panel in Sound the device now showed up as a Realtek HDMI Sound Device... I thought Great!

5. Everything now hooked up I tried testing the sound, through songs to just using the testing features under the sound device... I could see the meter moving as if the volume was going up, but nothing came out of my receiver... (I was on the right input)...

6. Bypassed the Receiver I went straight to my TV, played an MP3 file and once again Windows acted like it was pumping out the sound but it still was not coming out even on the TV this time...

7. I realized that I didn't disable the on board audio which is also Realtek... Rebooted and Disabled it.

8. Back in Windows I no longer had any devices under playback for Sound, checked Device Manager, there was an HD Audio Device and something else that I can't remember. No driver issues.

9. Tried reinstalling the Realtek drivers and no luck... Still no device...

10. Rebooted and turned back on the on board audio through the BIOS (again) and once again it showed up under the Sound Devices... But still didn't work at all even though it acted as if it was pumping out the sound...

11. I did install the Catalyst drivers right before I had to leave, didn't get a chance to play around in them to see if that would help but I just checked to see if that resolved the issue and it did not...


Am I doing something wrong here guys? Here is a list of my specs...

OS: Windows Vista 64bit SP1
Motherboard: Gibabyte P35-DS4
CPU: Intel Q6600
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Video Card: 8800GTS 512MB
Receiver: Sony Bravia Home Theatre System link: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1200703057943
TV: Sharp Aquos 1080P

If you guys need anything from me to try to help me out feel free to ask.

I appreciate any help you guys can give me!


EDIT: When I get home from work I am going to try removing my 8800GTS 512MB and see if the sound works with the ATI Card as the only Video / Audio card in the system... Maybe I am attempting to do the impossible...
post #2 of 15
I'm going to venture a guess and say that what you're doing can't be done. You will need to get rid of your original video card if you wish to use the 4550 for anything.
post #3 of 15
Why are you even bothering with 7.1 Channel PCM with a Home theatre in a box? Put simply, you won’t hear a difference between Dolby Digital and PCM with your speakers and setup. Do you know if your receiver supports audio over HDMI? Some receivers do not support this.

Honestly, I would just return the ATI card and buy an inexpensive audio card that does DOLBY DIGTAL LIVE encoding or DTS encoding. Then just use the optical outputs instead of HDMI.

Using two different brands of video cards isn’t going to work.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

Why are you even bothering with 7.1 Channel PCM with a Home theatre in a box? Put simply, you won't hear a difference between Dolby Digital and PCM with your speakers and setup. Do you know if your receiver supports audio over HDMI? Some receivers do not support this.

I should have mentioned that I read my manual thoroughly for my receiver. It does and only supports 8 Channel LPCM through HDMI. It specifically states this even though its a 5 channel system...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mpgxsvcd View Post

Honestly, I would just return the ATI card and buy an inexpensive audio card that does DOLBY DIGTAL LIVE encoding or DTS encoding. Then just use the optical outputs instead of HDMI.

This is my dilemma... Through SPIDF optical my previous sound card did send audio through Dolby Digital Live and DTS but in Windows it would not give me the option to choose how many channels I wanted the card to push out so games like Crysis and Unreal Tournament automatically assume that I have a 2.1 setup and only send out a 2.1 signal to my receiver...

I spent two days trying to get that to work... I had read on another forum that SPIDF Optical only supports 2 channel to begin with...

I have a SPIDF coaxil on my motherboard but this would be my last option in hopes of a real result...

I'm also leaning towards a 4870X2 for my next graphics card upgrade when I get my next check in 2 weeks so if this 4550's HDMI audio does work when I boot up the system with only that video card in... Then I will just wait until my graphics card upgrade to have real surround sound in my PC games...

All in all though this has put me a bit in the hole for this pay period that has past I will say this is an enjoyable learning experience...

Thanks for the input.
post #5 of 15
SPDIF supports 5.1 channels (maybe more, but absolutely 5.1). The only thing that can't be carried by SPDIF is the new HD audio formats.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mjfink View Post

SPDIF supports 5.1 channels (maybe more, but absolutely 5.1). The only thing that can't be carried by SPDIF is the new HD audio formats.

Yea it may also be the fact that my Creative PCI-E card is a piece of junk...

I will try my motherboards SPIDF Optical again with updated drivers and see if that works...

I'm also not defeated with the two card solution I am attempting... I only had an hour at most to fiddle around with it and I like much more time with it before I give up...

I'm going to go with just the ATI card and see if I can get sound, if I can't then there is a problem with just the card and my motherboard (possibly) if it works then I know I'm just limited here...

I will post my final results in a bit just in case someone down the line attempts or thinks about attempting the same thing...
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by mjfink View Post

SPDIF supports 5.1 channels (maybe more, but absolutely 5.1). The only thing that can't be carried by SPDIF is the new HD audio formats.

S/PDIF supports only stereo LPCM, DD and DTS. Unless the sound is encoded in DD or DTS, you can't get surround sounds through S/PDIF. That's the point of using the Radeon HD 4xxx card: you will get surround sounds from PC games (or whatever the source is) straightforwardly through HDMI without a DD/DTS encoder.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Naraku View Post

I'm also not defeated with the two card solution I am attempting... I only had an hour at most to fiddle around with it and I like much more time with it before I give up...

Your two card solution won't work (don't blame me as I have never heard of this idea ). HDMI requires both video and audio. If you want to use HDMI audio through the Radeon card, you have to install ATI graphics driver and use video too. But the simultaneous use of GeForce and Radeon is simply impossible under Windows Vista.

Possible solutions are:

- Use only the Radeon card for both video and audio. (But 4550 may be a wrong choice for games.)
- Quit Radeon and look for another solution. For example, if you want to go with digital (i.e. S/PDIF), use a motherboard/sound card supporting Dolby Home Theater (more precisely Dobly Digital Live) or DTS Connect (more precisely DTS Interactive).
post #9 of 15
As everyone else has already stated, what you are attempting to do is not possible. I would recommend sticking with the ATI HD 4550, as it is simply the best low-end GPU for HD video playback. It is not a gaming GPU. If you needed or required a gaming GPU, then I would stick with your 8800 and return the HD4550.

You should be able to get 7.1 LPCM through the HDMI port of your HD4550. If you have a Realtek 88x chipset, then go to over to Realtek's site and download the Realtek ATI HDMI Audio Driver, under their HD Audio Codecs page.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by chrislynch View Post

As everyone else has already stated, what you are attempting to do is not possible. I would recommend sticking with the ATI HD 4550, as it is simply the best low-end GPU for HD video playback. It is not a gaming GPU. If you needed or required a gaming GPU, then I would stick with your 8800 and return the HD4550.

You should be able to get 7.1 LPCM through the HDMI port of your HD4550. If you have a Realtek 88x chipset, then go to over to Realtek's site and download the Realtek ATI HDMI Audio Driver, under their HD Audio Codecs page.

I've decided to stick with the 8800GTS 512MB after exhausting all of my options over the past few hours.. I did try the 4550 for a while but I had my first "red" screen of death in Vista........

It also is not friendly with the 1080P resolution of my TV (I looked this up and it seems to be a current issue with all 4 series ATI cards)... Unfortunately that will steer me away from the 4870X2 which I had been getting excited about purchasing...

I'm back to using my Motherboard's SPIDF (it gives me more options than my Creative Audigy Audio Xtreme PCI-E card)... I have my games coming through in DTS Interactive but from what I read the card is still receiving a stereo (I'm assuming they mean 2.1 channel) signal and it is converting it to 5.1... It actually sounds quite nice in my games though I am sure it's not going to match up to true in-game surround sound.......

I'm left with little options... The time spent with the Radeon 4550 still provided me with no options to choose how many speakers were in my setup leaving my games to output once again a 2.1 channel signal to my receiver... (I tested this before I received my Red Screen of Death).

I may take a gamble and get the newer version of my sound card that Creative has made that does not use the CPU at all but is fully hardware supported... I just hope it gives me more options with the SPIDF Optical Out as to setting how many speakers I actually have..........
post #11 of 15
I just tossed in the 4550 and I get both DTS/AC3 AND 7-channel LPCM.
Here's my question to you:
The latest version of the "ATI HDMI Audio Device" is 2.03 and NOT 2.06. You sure you actually downloaded the proper driver?

The latest installer is named "HDMI-R203.exe" and it appears to be universal either XP or Vista.

Oh and unless you have two TVs, using 2 graphics cards is just plain stupid.
post #12 of 15
I believe the latest Realtek HD driver is 2.06.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by H8nXTC View Post

I believe the latest Realtek HD driver is 2.06.

v2.06 is for Realteks HD Audio chipsets (i.e. ALC-885A/889A.) v2.03 is the latest Realtek ATI HDMI Audio driver.
post #14 of 15
Sorry for lifting & hijacking this thread.. But bare with me, the question is probably simple for you:

I just assembled & installed Intel DP43TF / HD 4550 / Vista Ultimate 64-bit combo. 4550 is connected to monitor via DVI and to AV-amp via HDMI. Both working with 1920x1080@60Hz just fine, but no sound at all so far.

I installed BIOS, Realtek* ALC Audio Driver and some other drivers & tools from this Intel page.

Then I installed "driver" and "HDMI Audiodriver" from this Gigabyte page.

Do I need something else to get multichannel sound from HDMI?

In Realtek page there's "Vista Driver(32/64 bits) Driver only" and "ATI HDMI Audio Device". Are those needed? (HDMI driver seems to be R2.13 when the one in Gigabyte page is R1.97. That Vista driver says nothing to me. Is it the same "Audio: Realtek* ALC Audio Driver" I downloaded and installed from Intel's page?)

Also, Vista's Mediaplayer 11 don't know how to show even the most basic/old .avi files I have. There must be a page / thread that lists what is needed for video/audio playback. I need to be able to playback just about everything, most importantly HD-quality video (but no BD-disc's, PS3 handles those).

Thank you for helping me!
post #15 of 15
Guys,

Hope there are some HTPC guru's too here, because I have an issue with my HTPC combined with the Marantz AV8003. What I want is audio over HDMI passthrough via my ATI HD4350 card which supports PCM audio over HDMI.

I ve installed the Realtek HDMI audio driver in order to get audio PCM passthrough on my ATI HD4350 card. I got sound but it only was 2-channel. So I removed this realtek driver and installed the ati HDMI audio driver http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_ca...p/hdmiaudio-xp. Now I do get fully PCM output 5.1 channel support that my receiver can handle!

But I have a problem with it:

When I Power OFF my receiver the ATI HD Audio Rear Output device disappears (only remains in the device hardware manager but disappears as selectable device in sounds). When turning ON my receiver I can select it again (I don t even have to restart my HTPC!). How can I config my HTPC (or the AV8003) so that the device stays for good?
EDIT: Someone on the Dooms9 forum had a hint for me. His Onkyo receiver has a "power control" mode, that pass-through HDMI signals while the receiver is in stand by. Maybe this is also possible with our AV8003?
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